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final day of the championships from 2:50pm this afternoon. That's all

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the sport for now. Hello and welcome to our Sunday

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morning edition of The Papers. With me are economic advisor

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Ruth Lea and Peter Kellner, political analyst and former

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President of pollsters YouGov. The Sunday Telegraph leads

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with the story that dominates this morning's papers -

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the details of the prime minister's financial affairs,

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after David Cameron published The Sunday Times also has the story

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and analyses what the paper says The Sunday Mirror claims PM

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could avoid paying on inheritance tax on a gift from his mother,

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following his father's death. Cameron's decision to be transparent

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is hailed as "historic" But it says the PM now faces a fresh

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row about his wealth. The financial disclosures also make

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the front of the Observer which is concedes is "unprecedented"

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by a sitting prime minister. And The Sunday Express also pours

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over the details but says it also wants to know how rich

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Samantha Cameron is. There will obviously be no end to

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this given the various things going on

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We will take this in tandem with the mail, which has Cameron tax bill

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Dodge on moderate's 200 K gift. This is about inheritance tax. It is

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revealed the family may avoid ?70,000 in debt.

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This is obviously a major story. For the first time, the Prime Minister

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discloses his tax bill. The Sunday Times, in the course of that story,

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uses the word Dodge. The mail on Sunday has it on the front page

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headline. I take issue with that. No one ever accused me of kowtowing

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conservatives. I think David Cameron has a pretty raw deal from a number

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of this morning's papers. It is the term tax avoidance. Legal but

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perhaps questionable. I think we should ban the word avoidance and

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have tax dodging and tax planning. Tax dodging is when you abide by the

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law to the letter that you do things which are questionable. Like Jimmy

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Carter, the comedian, two or three years ago. What we are talking about

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today is David Cameron's mother living in ?200,000. If she gives for

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seven years, the wrist inheritance tax. That is not tax dodging, that

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is doing what the law is, what you're supposed to do under the law.

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If you put money into a pension fund or into an ice as an individual and

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don't pay tax, that isn't tax dodging. What we have is proper,

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innocent, sensible tax planning. I think to use the word Dodge is wrong

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and unfair and inappropriate. Can I suggest that for many people, the

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scandal is not the details, not what is in -- not what's illegal, what is

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legal and it's about wealth and partly about class. It's partly

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about a lot of money, which the Prime Minister takes head on, but

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most of us don't get this kind of money from mum and dad. As Peter

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says, this is just ordinary tax planning. You have Mrs Cameron, the

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mother, is to live seven years and then it's tax-free. The problem is

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that he is a wealthy man and his wife is a wealthy woman. If they

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were just open and honest and transparent from day one, I don't

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think there would be the problems are today. It was interesting last

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week when the whole pan papers blew up and it was obvious that Cameron

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been involved. Camera's father. At that point, Cameron says, actually,

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we did benefit from some of these offshore funds. Let's just admitted

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now and get the whole thing out the way. They came up with this woolly

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statement that they wouldn't be benefiting from these offshore tax

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funds in the future. But the location is that it was in the past.

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If you just said there and then, I benefited from these offshore funds,

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I think these stories would have started to die. Because there was

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that very occasion, that obfuscation, I'm afraid this has

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undermined his authority as a time when there are all sorts of other

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things happening within his party, within politics, which are quite

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damaging. Are you surprised by how cack-handed it has been? He is a PR

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person, that was part of his profession in the past. He knows

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above anybody that if it is bad news, you get it all out at once and

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then you make your apologies. You are right. I think David Cameron is

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innocent on what the papers say on the substance of the issue, but he

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has handled this in a ridiculous way. Whenever he is faced with

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issues, what do I say today to get me pass tomorrow's headlines? Three

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or four years ago, he would probably be in internal three party

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management. What he did when the Palmer story broke, he thought, how

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can I get this past Tuesday's headlines? He said it was a private

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affair. But he didn't get it past Tuesday's headlines. They buy day,

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he thought 24 hours ahead and got it wrong. I think it is right. He

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should from the beginning have said, this is everything. If you have

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thought strategically rather than tactically, he would have done that.

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But he is tactical rather than strategic. When he was talking about

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offshore funds, the indication is that he still benefits from onshore

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funds or trusts, which he broke windows, but not another?.

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TUC, as some have said, that part of this has got to do with internal

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convulsion within the Conservative Party over Brexit or not Bradford?

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-- do you see? Some people in the party are rubbing their hands in

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glee as Mike in glee at posts Cameron politics. I don't know them

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well enough to know whether they are rubbing their hands in glee. The way

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this story has just gone on and on, I think it's actually caused quite a

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lot of damage now. That clearly will be well come in some parts of the

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Tory party. Let's move on to the Telegraph, which has capitalised on

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this great story we have about Justin Welby and the way he handled

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his paternity issue. It is extraordinary that everybody has

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kind of rallied around him and said, fine, well done. Perhaps he has done

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what you suggested people should do. It has happened is that we have got

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it out into the open and people have accepted it. When I read this story

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and his mother's liaison with this gentleman, who in the private sector

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worker Winston Churchill, the thing that struck me forcibly was how

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there were lashings of lashings of alcohol that seemed to accompany

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these activities. It was so 1950s. This is sort of like Agatha Christie

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and Miss Marple were anyone who was fatally upper-middle-class bans most

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of their time absolutely blotto. To him, I don't think he really had

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much alternative. If he hadn't come out with it, there would have been

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whisperings, head and he might have had the odds denial and the odd bit

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of obfuscation and clarification. At the end of the day, this would have

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come out. As it happens, it is out. That's right. There's another

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dimension to this which is that scandals, I use the term in inverted

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commas, over the last 30 years, most of them have been sexual scandals or

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financial scandals. The public has actually ceased to care about what

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happens in bad. They are much more concerns. Not only is Justin Welby

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right to come straight out with it candidly, fully and in a way which

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gets lots of sympathy, it was on an issue that people don't think is

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that bad. I shall be quoting calmer's law of what the public

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finds scandalous in the future! He had thought Gavin Welby was his

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father for 60 years of his life. He also says he finds his identity in

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Christ. Perhaps you would expect that. He is also quite clear about

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who he is. He is a very stable, focused, centred person which is

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helpful. Even so, it must have been quite a surprise. He will get a lot

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of wrath from his viewers. Georgia was a tax dodger. If you look at

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Churchill's financial arrangements... Tax planner, do you

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mean? No! He got royalties for his book which looked like capital gains

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which were attacked law than income. It was perfectly acceptable in his

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day and secrets. If Churchill were alive today, doing the things he did

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then, he would people are far more than David Cameron. That is one to

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think about. Let's move on to the server. This story on the EU. Labour

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MPs urge Corbin to fight harder for EU in June. This is also striking.

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We have heard from quite a lot of people about this, mostly within the

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Conservatives, having a go at each other. There are those that think

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Jeremy Corbyn is focusing on local elections and will leave the June

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poll till after May. He does seem very unenthusiastic about Brexit,

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with a British campaign. He is officially in favour of staying in

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the EU, but he is saying it without any conviction. You do wonder what

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his inner beliefs are. What's happening is the Labour Party isn't

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really campaigning very hard to stay in Apple moments, at a time when the

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people who are voting for Brexit seem much more energised and

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dynamite. Whatever happens at the 23rd of June, I think we can say

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that those campaigning for Brexit seem much more highly motivated than

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the people who want to remain in. Is the rain methodology behind that? I

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detect that to that people like Ruth are going to boats... People who

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were supporting Brexit are more likely to turn out than people who

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want to stay in. The paradox with David Cameron's position is that if

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he survives, he will win the referendum. To win the referendum he

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needs Labour supporters to turn out to vote. Voters are on the whole

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bracelets. The problem with Jeremy Corbyn, when he stands up to save

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Labour's position is to stay in, he looks to me like a hostage saying

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the form of words his captors have forced to say. He doesn't look like

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he has any enthusiasm. What you got, as some of his critics in the party

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have said, he needs to be more enthusiastic. I think they're right.

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If Britain is to vote to remain in, because if Corbyn remains

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unenthusiastic, it will be a slice of the Labour electorate. I don't

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know if they will turn out at all. I'm sure you agree it is one of the

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most important votes that any of us will be called to make in our

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lifetime. Absolutely. In the Observer column, they're talking

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about his natural and historic opposition to the EU, which could be

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true. That makes him look even more... Is part of the Cameron story

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is we just want to know what the real person is and don't mind too

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much providing you are open about it, given that Mr Corbyn, one of his

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big selling points is his authenticity, always having said the

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same things, is that a problem? I think it is. If people really

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believe he has this natural and historic opposition to the EU. It

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somehow suggests, as Peter said, he is almost a hostage to his party. In

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terms of the Labour Party, what Corbyn should come out, in terms of

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the view from remaining in, he should say I have historically been

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sceptical but I have changed my mind and this is why. And put some

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passion behind that. He could say that that would people believe them?

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It's like so many of the Tory quotes, the ex-Eurosceptics who have

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said they're going remain in. Philip Hammond, Theresa May. All these

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people were out and out Eurosceptics and then suddenly decided to remain

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in. Quite honestly, it doesn't look very authentic. We want

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authenticity. The man is authentic that is not authentic on this. Let's

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move on to the Sunday Times anti-doping row. I thought this was

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interesting for a number of reasons. It was the biggest story a week ago

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today. Because of the pan papers, it was blown off the front pages. What

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struck me was that has been a good week for the British press. They

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have turned out some great stories and this was one of them. I shot

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doctor dope but watchdog ignored me. The Sunday Times kept out of the

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story on the front page. I think this story will come back. The drugs

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in sports story is not going away. It may lie dormant because of Panama

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for a while but it won't go away. The story today is about the racing

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cyclist called Dan Stevens, who has now admitted that he took banned

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performance enhancing drugs from Doctor Mark Bowler, who was in last

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week's story. He has denied any wrongdoing. The evidence is piling

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up of things going badly wrong and perhaps worse, that the anti-doping

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agency failed to act on any of it. This is as much as anything a

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regulatory failure as well as an intrinsic scandal of wrongdoing. Is

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anybody surprised? Right through my life, there have always been stories

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about doping in sport, not least in cycling. But those people who are

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not interested in sport, we just shrug our shoulders and say that's

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how it is. I suspect that it will re-change that much. What is

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interesting now is that, for whistle-blowers from the Panama

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papers to Snowdon to people in Fifa to be either we yes, whatever you

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think about it, if you are up to some dodgy dealings, it used to take

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spies in cloak and dagger and perhaps a truckload of papers to get

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you. Now it just takes much less. When we were all much younger, these

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things were hidden. They were much less important -- much less reported

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and people were much more trusting. Perhaps trusting on a false basis.

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When things started to go wrong, we entered this age of transparency.

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Transparency is meant to restore trust, but what actually happens is

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transparency... People are behaving better but they are not behaving

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perfectly. When imperfections, which are much more trivial than they were

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50 years ago, are much more widely reported, the end result is better

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behaviour but more distrust. I'm not sure we are behaving that much

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better! Speak for yourself! I thought the Pamela leaks were

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incredible. That was a terrific story.

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There is a lot more to come, apparently. It has been interesting

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how well it has been curated by various news agencies. Let's move on

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because one of the great stories is in the mail on Sunday. Lady

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Thatcher's daughter Locksley ?300,000 statue because the sculptor

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omitted the one vital accessory, which the mail had helpfully added.

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That is the handbag. What do you think of this?

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I don't know why you are looking at me! You either go to Guy! Can I

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delicately hand this over to route? I think that's just bizarre because

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I think she looked, if I may say so, for better without the handbag. Not

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least of all because it is held unnaturally. You wouldn't all the

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handbag like that. Would you? I personally know -- I personally

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wouldn't know! It looks ridiculous. The whole poses completely bonkers.

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I don't see why she shouldn't have a handbag bearer because, when she was

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in the House of Commons, she wouldn't have a handbag, would she?

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She wouldn't be carrying it. When she was making the huge conference

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speeches, she wasn't holding a handbag. Do we have time for the

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other story, the great story of the week, in the Sunday Mirror? It's

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page 22, the death of the long dress, apparently. High street rents

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are rocketing for them that smacks of the launderette is finished. Do

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people still go to the launderette? You do see people in there. Also

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during the winter, very cold cats sitting on the tumble dryers. Well,

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that justifies it. Being a cat lover, that justifies it. I've used

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them in the 70s and 80s. This is a series -- just like public telephone

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boxes, they are more or less disappeared from lots of places.

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People no longer needs the public facility. But some do. What happens

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if a business of telephone boxes or launderette is, there are not enough

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people around for them to be viable. You are cutting off perhaps a small

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minority but they minority who really need these services. I don't

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know what the answer is. Should we subsidise the one launderette in

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every area? One should not forget the minority who were deeply

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affected. We will leave it there. Just a reminder, we take a look

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at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 10:30 and 11:30pm

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here on BBC News.

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