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suspicions of Mr Witcher. She has turned her attention to another


real-life Victorian murder case for her latest book, the Wicket Boy. --


wicked. With me are the Iraqi-British


journalist Mina Al-Oraibi, and the Political Columnist


for The Independent Steve Richards. Tomorrow's front pages,


starting with... The Metro reports on what it calls


a 'security blunder' at Old Trafford, after the discovery


of a training device led to Manchester United's


match being abandoned. A disappointed pair of United fans


is the image on the Guardian, which also reports on fears


of a shortage of armed The Telegraph also focuses


on the bomb scare in Manchester and also has a picture of the Queen


at the 90th birthday party. The backlash facing Boris Johnson


for his comments about Hitler and EU And sticking with the referendum,


the Express claims three point two billion pounds is spent


on educating children from the EU -- three 2p. -- three 2p. A mix of


stories tomorrow, and a bit of a scramble as well, for many editors


and newsrooms tonight. Trying to get the latest information on the


Manchester United game? Sunday afternoon is normally a quiet time.


Everyone is winding down! This was busy because it was one of those


stories where you have vivid pictures a high drama, of... I think


it is the first time a premiership football match has been stopped out


of fear of a security risk. Then you have the unravelling of what was the


cause of it. Later on, some of the additions were still like the


Telegraph headline, footballs bomb scare sparks Euro 2016 fears,


referring to the championship, not France. Now it has been established


it was completely innocent. They had to really work hard to get to that?


Let's have a look at The Guardian newspaper, I would imagine some of


the pictures have changed, there is a picture here they sobbing fan,


hugged by his dad. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't if you want the


emergency services... The pictures could have been so different. It


could have been, it is an emotive picture to have this little boy


crying, you can imagine the sadness and frustration for the little boy


but you can imagine the relief of the father that they are OK. They


had to come you have no choice, if there is a suspect package you have


to take that measure. This is what I mean, they would have been OK if it


was a real bomb? The emergency services reacted quickly tonight.


They did Saint 5000 people were evacuated, there was no getting hurt


or panic, but the person in charge of the device, they got rid of it


somewhere in the stadium, after the drill of last week, -- 75,000.


Manchester was, last week, the Centre of what it would be like if


there was a mass scale attack from extremist terrorists. You have the


remainder of the device, there would be questions asked of the person who


disposed of it, it is ridiculous. But the photo is telling, it did


scare people, you can imagine those moments when they say it is code


red. It works on so many elements, I heard an interview coming in this


evening with someone who had come from Australia or something to watch


the match. They now won't be seeing it, in fact it was safe there. You


have that level, everything with football is hyped up anyway, but


also you have, we should all have thought about this ever since the


terrible events in Paris which included a football match being


disrupted, and international football match, what would happen if


it ever happened here? It has not today, but what did happen at Old


Trafford, this is a direct consequence, there is now such a


fearful attention to any potential threat that this is going to happen


again. The good thing that it is that than the other side. The Metro


newspaper's headline is "Security blunder". Many papers are basically


taking the view that it is a blunder, not a success.


Retrospectively, some of it seems very silly, you can make a dark


comedy out of what has happened but I still think it is better that way


around, I don't know about you, but it is interesting to have the


debate. It could be dodgy, let's keep them all in here... One of the


problems is, the terrorists didn't even have to do anything and people


panic. There is a way is the thing off, you have the Telegraph saying


"Bomb scare for Euro 2016". No one has done anything and yet they can


create panic, but better safe than sorry, if you are responsible and


calling the shots you have all of that pressure. To make sure people


are say. There will be more headlines in France. I remember


before the Olympics here, one of the big issues was the terror threat.


Even though it did not materialise, the fact it was spoken about shows


it is a constant in all our lives. It is an interesting debate about


whether the newspapers have it right, but having said that, there


are more serious blunders after terror attacks, people thought to be


carrying weapons that word, people thought to be suspects who weren't,


the authorities get very jittery. It could have been more serious than


disposing of a device that was used as a training aid. Yes. It could.


There is no science to dealing with this. There will be mistakes, it was


a fast moving story. It is interesting is seeing the first


editions of the papers coming in, they are quickly catching up with


the whole sequence. This week, it was the cafe in Iraq that was


bombed, there were real Madrid supporters watching the game and 12


people died. La Liga, the Spanish league, had at the beginning of


their game a moment of silence. If you think about it, people around


the world have to deal with this possible threat. But you are right,


every time we go somewhere like the cinema or theatre, you think there


are enough if you dare, security forces should be able to dismantle


it before you get that far. To have a bomb in place. The threat in Iraq


is greater than the UK, how do the people in Iraq cope with it every


day? It becomes a new sense of normal, you have heightened


security, think about our sense of normal since we've had a taxi in


2005. It's robust -- attacks in 2005. Iraq is the same. They get on


with it as if it was OK? Not like it is OK, it wears you down eventually,


but you take precautions. If you think you will be attacked, you take


different routes. It is constant readjustment, and at the moment we


are seeing a decimation of attacks. I've only been to Kabul, I found


Kabul very tense. Is the same kind of thing, the local people get on


with it, they are vigilant but get on with it. They love it when they


see foreigners because it means perhaps you have some trust to be


there. They know that you're taking a risk to be there and you are


welcome, that could be the next step. We see stadiums of tighter


security like Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel, places like that. The


Daily Telegraph point that way, football bomb scare sparks Euro 2016


fears... How secure will our stadiums be during 2016? The show,


you can guarantee security will be intense. It will cost a fortune --


for sure. People will have to arrive early at the grounds. This has


happened to a Spurs ticket holder, we are now told that we will get


e-mails from Spurs, saying to arrive much earlier, your bags will be


searched and queues will be longer. There is a kind of search bags, but


these big stadiums with thousands of people coming. It is difficult to


control this. Do we wanted to go as far as it has done in other


countries? Where there are armed guards at stadiums and shopping


centres and cinemas? I agree. Especially in the UK... Then the


terrorists are winning because we are losing freedom? In the UK we are


lucky that we do not have to have visible armed police. You see it at


Heathrow and other airports, but for France, the fact that they have had


two major incidents in the last 12 months means there is extreme


pressure on their services, on their police and the army, to be involved.


I think they've taken it into account, what happened today will


definitely heightened pressure and people's sense of danger, that this


could be the case. Shall we move onto other stories? There are some


others around, this is kind of related. You want to go back to The


Guardian, there is another story on the front pages, police fear a


shortage of armed officers. It follows the announcement at the


start of the year that we will get more armed officers in London, now


there is a shortage? Yes, it's interesting. You are right, there


was an announcement of more... How many, 6000? 1500 more, they want


3000 volunteers because they have two vet them. You might get 1500


saying they would do it but they have not been vetted. Police


officers had to volunteer to carry a gun. It's a classic thing, you get


an announcement and huge headlines about it, all of the rest of it, the


implementation then takes ages, and clearly it is still not happening at


the moment. 5647 firearms officers currently in major cities like


London, that is in The Guardian, but they need more than that? An extra


1500. It's what you were saying earlier about the balance between


security and not being so has been transformed whether threat, wherever


you go there aren't officers. It has been generally accepted you need


more. I remember when the announcement was made, I don't think


there was any dispute, I don't think the opposition were saying, what are


you doing, arming more officers? But there is an announcement and months


later nothing has happened. According to The Guardian, officers


answered getting forward to say that they want to do it. The law is, if


you have to use your firearm in the UK, it is taken very seriously. The


US has a huge problem that it you use your firearm, police aren't


always held responsible, here it is stringent. The interview with the


deputy police constable says they had to make sure that the law


protects police officers. If they carry a gun, they may have


to use it. What does it mean for the laws here? And the fears of


something going wrong? It's interesting, you mentioned America.


There have been radio debates on this, it is not scientific but very


much half and half, people are formal protection, some don't want


to see more guns. If the police arming themselves, the criminals and


terrorists then arm themselves, that is the big issue in America.


Politics on the front pages, I say politics, Boris Johnson...


He is politics! Unfortunately, this is what politics has come down to!


1-storey dominates, it is The i newspaper, the front page, he is


under fire for an EU Hitler jibe, and more reaction? -- one story. The


out campaign has become the focus on him. Certainly in the media, and


elsewhere. It has been since he Out, nobody knew what he was doing.


The level of scrutiny in my view committee has not come out of it


well, he has never been a cabinet minister and had to outside London


frame an argument over a sustained period of time. Scrutinised hour by


hour by political opponents and the media, some are synthetic to him. I


think he is coming out of it badly so far -- sympathetic to him. The


Hitler thing, he was trying to make an argument about a superstate, a


European superstate, and arguing that Hitler did it, now this lot are


trying to do it. Being a journalist he would have known it would have


taken off in a particular way. I think it is misjudged, I think it is


a sign that in this desperate bid for winning the headline war they


are worried they aren't winning it so far, we have had him attacking


Obama for being half Kenyan, whatever he said about him when he


was here, this is another example. The argument is valid and


interesting, I disagree it will become and intimidating superstate,


but he undermines it, why is he raising Hitler and we are in Ken


Livingstone territory again? It's a persistent theme, he is dominating


the campaign and getting front-page attraction, but if he is winning


over the doubters? I wonder. Some people he is resonating with, and he


knows it. He is tapping into fear as well as fact, the remain camp are


becoming just as a motive and passionate, less about fact and more


about how they desperately feel strongly that we should stay in the


EU. This is at a time when we are 40 days away, you have undecided voters


at nearly a third at the moment. According to the polls, but we don't


know these days. Of course, they are trying to get people are emotional


and push them out there. It happened for the Scottish referendum? Yes, it


was a motive towards the end, economic arguments have been laid


there. Mark Carney came under fire as governor of the Bank of England


and getting involved. It is a miscalculation from Boris Johnson


saying that the EU is like Hitler and Napoleon, the idea is that the


Remain Campaign is all about the EU, it is crucial for peace. His


colleagues arguments, and his argument, is that it is hot off the


back of the Remain Campaign, putting it into historical context as well.


That is why the referendum is bonkers, frankly, there's another 40


days of this, there will be another thing tomorrow, you will be ?30,000


a year worse off, or ?30,000 better off if we stay... The whole thing is


hyped up, there are so many bigger issues facing Britain and what


should be on the front pages. And we are having a debate about Hitler and


the superstate? Thank you very much for taking us


through the newspapers. And thank you for tuning in, join us


at 11:30pm for our second round. Now, it


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