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individual apparatus finals later today, you could see it from 4pm on

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BBC Two. Now, the papers. Hello and welcome to our Sunday

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morning edition of The Papers. With me Ian Birrell,

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Contributing Editor of the Mail on Sunday and author

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and Foreign Correspondent, Today's front pages? The digital

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Independent carries an image of the man who's on the front

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of virtually every paper - The Express on Sunday shows

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a picture of Muhammad Ali in his later years, with the quote

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"Don't count the days, The Sun on Sunday shows a picture

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of a young Muhammad Ali back when he was still

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known as Cassius Clay. The Observer also shows a picture

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of Ali and in the corner has a poignant quote

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from President Obama and his wife. The Sunday Times also has a picture

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of Ali but leads on reports that the Royal Navy have been asked

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to patrol the English Channel to look for migrants

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trying to get to the UK. The Mail on Sunday leads with claims

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that the campaign for Britain to leave the EU has been infiltrated

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by dozens of far-right extremists. A look at the pictures first. We

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have spoken a lot about Muhammad Ali of the West 24 hours. -- over the

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last 24 hours. Clinton said he did not know if he was a boxer on a

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ballerina, and you get a sense of the Grace from the pictures. All the

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papers have a stunning array of pictures, including some of the

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greatest sports shots I have ever seen. Also, his dignity, political

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power and importance comes across. The writing reflects it. There are

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wonderful pieces about why he was the greatest sports person, what he

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was like to see, his extraordinary stop- start career, winning the

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title three times. And the incredible political legacy. A man

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at the peak of his ambitions and career, a world title holder,

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stepped back and said, I will not accept the draft, and took on the

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forces of the United States Establishment, successfully. And for

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such noble reasons. It is incredible, when you sit back and

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consider that, today, could somebody really do that? They would be a

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product for corporations. They would be savaged in the media. And it is

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important to reflect how important he was in the history of the

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century. This is a guy from the age of 25-29, the peak of a sportsman is

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career, everybody knows that, was out. And he did not have too. He

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could have gone to the Army and got a soft option. But he just refused.

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Exactly, it was Muhammad Ali being himself. He showed you can just be

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your own person. That was what gave him such an iconic status. His

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refusal to do what he was told. And it was not just at that time, he was

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obviously a polarising figure and then, but in later life he was a

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hero of the Grace who brought to confronting Parkinson's disease. An

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extremely difficult and debilitating illness. He lit the Olympic torch in

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Atlanta in very moving scenes. It was that grace he brought to that

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struggle as well which rounded out his legacy. Extraordinary man. All

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of the papers have done well in that. Some of the other content. The

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Sun, and this is part of our Brexit section which will go on for weeks,

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Boris Johnson, you cannot trust the Prime Minister. You have got people

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who sit down in Cabinet, the very top of the government. And they do

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not trust each other. And they say it publicly. We go from a story of a

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man of incredible ability and integrity... To talk about Boris

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Johnson. Behaving in the Ashley opposite way with shameless, self

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serving attempts. Attacking the Prime Minister first on immigration,

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now on the economy. And this is a man who wrote two versions of his

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column, reportedly, because he could not decide whether he wanted to go

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in or out. He was once pro-immigration and now sounds like

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Nigel Farage. Saying that the government which she is a part of

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cannot be trusted on newcomer. Bottomley shameless. -- cannot be

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trusted on the economy, utterly shameless. He is saying that we

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cannot avoid further bailouts down-the-line particularly if the EU

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brings in new members. But you are right, it is hard to take him

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seriously on any of these issues now. Your own paper has much on

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Brexit, or otherwise, including David Cameron suggesting that those

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who wish to leave have got it all wrong and are living in cloud cuckoo

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land. Looking at the splash, far right in plot to hijack Brexit. And

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on the inside pages... If I can get a bit, where are we? Here we are. A

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double page spread. The neo-Nazi Brexit supporter, and a number of

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stories about various individuals with far right connections who are

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part of the Brexit campaign. This is an important story. We had Michael

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Gove talking about a campaign of hope and optimism. And today he is

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talking about a one nation campaign, a progressive cause. Yet the reality

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is he has sided with, unfortunately, people like Ian Boris Johnson, they

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have sided with some of the most malevolent forces in populist

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politics today -- he and Boris Johnson. That is why it is supported

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on board by the head of the National front in France. Far right leaders

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in Holland. And now we see here that it is also supported by a host of

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very unpleasant people. Not just ultra conservatives. People jailed

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for thuggery. Out and out Nazis. This is not just about smearing

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people. You need to sit back and ask, why do people like this support

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the idea of Brexit? Cause, as Michael Gove says, they want a fair

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immigration system? That is unlikely. This is a divisive group

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of people pushing an isolationist, Little England cause, and that is

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the reality, people who I respect, who are moderate, pushing for noble

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reasons for a Brexit, still need to consider why these sorts of people

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also backed the same cause. Unfortunately they are divisive,

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attempting to stop immigration, and to withdraw Britain, not about

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sovereignty, but to pull back from and become isolationist in the

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world. When you see a woman with a swastika on her breast supporting

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this, yes, it is only a small part of it and there are plenty of good

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reasons not to want to be in Europe... Yes, and the campaign can

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say, we can help it if some people on the fringes give out leaflets and

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set up stalls. Yet this rogues gallery assembled by the newspaper

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is pretty shocking, isn't it? This chap sitting with his we want our

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country back sign between the graves of the Kray twins, that is pretty

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disturbing. This guy went to jail for several months for violence.

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Yes, and several others are associated with the BNP, the English

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Defence League, this woman has a Nazi swastika tattooed on her

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breast, and is out there handing out leaflets. At the very least the

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campaign should do something to distance themselves from these

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people in a more strident way. There is an old phrase, you are judged by

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your friends. Let's move on to the Observer. It has some interesting

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analysis on North versus South, young versus old, the new fault

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lines of the UK political map. A bar chart, even I can understand that,

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where you can see that Labour supporters mostly support Remain,

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Ukip supporters support Brexit, if you are university educated you are

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more likely to support Remain, and so on. This is a very divided

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country. Across the West we are seeing it. We see it in Austria, we

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see it with Donald Trump, and we see it in Britain, a division in

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attitudes. Although I would love to find the 3% of Ukip supporters who

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will vote to stay! That could be a statistical error, I am not sure!

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Over 60s are most likely to vote, which is alarming for those who want

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to Remain, but also, those with a higher level of education are also

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more likely to vote Remain, so we must be careful not to judge too

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much from this, but it does show a division, and why the future of the

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country, the young people, 18-39, are so strongly in favour of

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staying. It is interesting, I was told by a key campaigner wishing to

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stay that the most powerful message delivered to those who want to go,

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and who tend to be older, is, think about your grandchildren. And we can

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see why. Because there is an age divide. And the future of the

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country is with people who wish to stay in Europe. That is such a

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problem if we go out from Europe, when the next generation so clearly

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want to stay. The interesting thing is the correlation between the Leave

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voters and areas of economic decline. There is a growing gulf

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between London and the rest of the country. Whichever way the vote goes

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that is a real priority for the government to address. London should

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Brexit from the UK? In many ways it already has! I did argue that in the

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FT! Many places have just been abandoned to their fate and no

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government has come up with an effective solution. It is

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understandable, why people feel so angry, when they have been

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abandoned. Exactly, yes. Royal Marines may be called into the

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English Channel. I must declare an interest. I live in Kent and see

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frigates going up and down the channel quite often. Maybe they are

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just fishing, I don't know. They have not actually found anybody

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landing, one or two boats as you know have been rescued over the past

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year but the MoD say there is currently no request for a presence,

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so if you have that as your splash, and get that response by 10am the

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next morning, you cannot be pleased. That is not what you want, on a

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Sunday morning, only getting one go a week, to have your splash

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demolished in that way. The truth is there had been a few attempts to

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cross the Channel by some people but this story is very overinflated. The

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idea there is an invasion of people waiting to come across by boats, I

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speak to people and places like Jordan and Turkey, if you have the

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money you just fly over. You don't need to risk your life in the

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world's is used maritime area. -- busiest. It is very busy and

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dangerous. There is an interesting story about a former French

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paratrooper who took across 12 Albanians on his yacht, simply

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cruised up a river in heaven and dropped them off at the key and then

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went to a point after. This was a few years ago and he could court and

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fined of course. -- Devon. Whether the Royal Marines would catch him I

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am not so sure. The headline is perhaps the problem with this story.

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Royal Navy called in to hold migrants makes it sound like there

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will be destroyers and battleships. Where would we them actually? The

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new aircraft carriers! There are a few boats the Royal Navy users to

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control fishing grounds... As we know, it is not about physical

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action, it is about intelligence and... Much bigger forces are at

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work than can be held back by a few boats. The easiest way to stop

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immigration is to crash the economy! The Chilcott report. It says

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Alistair Campbell is in the clear but Tony Blair will, Cropper, that

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is basically what they say. I am wary of these stories, there are a

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lot of leaks from people attempting to protect themselves. We are

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getting a semblance but we will not know until the report comes out in

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July so we need to be wary. I'm in the excitement before Hutton, all

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these stories breaking out, then it was the biggest whitewashing

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history. So we need to be cautious. But many people will be very happy

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if that does have his reputation trashed. -- if Tony Blair has his

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reputation trashed. I am not so sure Alistair Campbell should escape

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scot-free given his own activities. From the story it does sound like

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the Tony Blair camp is in crisis mode, thinking about how they will

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respond. But not the Campbell camp! Exactly. Walking away, Whistling!

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For me one of the stories of the week is this awful story in the

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Observer, the billion-dollar trade behind the scandal of the Asian

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Tiger Temple. We were wondering, what on earth are similar tigers,

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these dead tiger cubs, doing in the fridge in this... An extraordinary

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story. I recommend reading this. It shows the way that conservation and

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tourism and what seems to be a trade in wildlife parks, have all been

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blurred. 250,000 people a year visit to see these beautiful animals, they

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thought they were seeing a conservation project, actually it

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seems to be some kind of factory to exploit tiger parts and sell them.

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And they are saying it is not even that rare, it happens elsewhere. The

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statistics are horrific. Not just the legality, but also these

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creatures are endangered... The many things we cannot do anything about,

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but we should be able to do something about this, shouldn't we?

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We would think so, and that is why so many law-enforcement officials

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raided this temple and found these awful scenes of tiger carcasses in

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freezers. Yet the story points out that happens in many places. And

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there are only 3000 tigers left in the wild. Which is why the price

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they command in China is so high. ?40,000 for tiger skin. It is that

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the demand which is driving the trade. The only way to stop it is to

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try to persuade Chinese and other countries, in Asia, to stop seeking

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out that these products. Again, interestingly, it is environmental

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groups, environmental investigation issues, they actually stopped this,

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not the authorities. We hear that time and again, actually the

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authorities do not do much until forced. Now we are seeing the same

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trade with lines, also endangered, and all sorts of other animals. --

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lions. The authorities need to take a tougher line on this. Thank you,

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Ian and Matthew. We take a look at the front pages every evening at

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10:30pm and 11:30pm here on BBC News.

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