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Now on BBC News, here's Gavin with The Papers.


Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are broadcaster Yasmin Alibhai-Brown


The Mail on Sunday leads on the court appearance of the man


charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.


The Sunday Telegraph shows a picture of Jo Cox's parents visiting


the floral tributes close to where their daughter was killed.


Its main story is an interview with Michael Gove who rejects claims


that voting to leave the EU will cause a recession.


The Observer also leads on the EU Referendum -


with a poll commissioned for the paper reporting that both


Remain and Leave camps are "locked in a dramatic dead heat" ahead


The Sunday Times has an interview with David Cameron,


who calls a vote to leave the EU a "one-way ticket" -


the paper says another poll claims the Remain camp has edged


It shows a picture of British astronaut Tim Peake,


who has returned to earth after six months in space.


And The Independent bills its lead story as an exclusive.


It says weapons and explosives stored at a safe house in Belgium,


with the intention of being used by terrorists during Euro 2016,


Let's begin with Jo Cox, the family's tribute on the front page


of the Telegraph. Quote, we know there are some evil people in this


world but a lot of good people, too. It is one of the striking things


about this horrific event, how forgiving the family appear to be


and how they are concerned... I don't know if they are forgiving,


but what they are is, in a way what they are saying is, this doesn't


defeat us all what Jo stood for. They must be breaking inside. The


sister said, we are broken. But I think they feel, and they are quite


right, I do admire the native British for the way they can handle


themselves in these crises. I come from a culture where we would be


wailing loudly for days, and I think it is important to show not that


they weren't broken but that they were going to carry on. I just


thought the father, at 1.I thought he was going to cry... He was


looking at the flowers, wasn't he? Again and again they keep saying, Jo


was a half glass -- glass half full person will stop she did some work


in some terrible places, like Garforth. But she kept this optimism


and I think that is the things people want to hold onto -- like


Darfur. When her sister Kim gave the eulogy, so composed, but I thought


they were getting great consolation and support from the people around.


When they saw the flowers, I thought the father was going to break then


because he was touched by people's affection and love for her, which of


course was what he felt, but I think they got some consolation from


knowing that people thought very, very highly of her and had genuine


affection for an MP who worked for themselves loosely. Watching, the


other thing I thought was they were extraordinary but also very


ordinary, they could be the people next door. Absolutely, and she


related, whether it was the old Muslim by all the traditional


working-class people, there were no boundaries all barriers to her and I


remember at the 50th birthday party when she was there, a mutual friend,


she was heavily pregnant, and she didn't get off the dance floor and I


thought, we all were read she would drop this thing! She was a good


Yorkshire lass! She was tough. Politics has restarted today, let's


cover that. The Telegraph, Michael Gove, except when it cause a


recession, Britain will prosper. Like a lot of this stuff, who knows,


but what do you think? This onslaught of Project Fear on the


economy from the IMF, OCD, IFF, the Treasury, but the truth is I think


if there is a Brexit vote on Thursday, which then maybe, who


knows, there will be some shenanigans in the markets, I have


little doubt, but it will be two or three years before we leave and in


that time we would negotiate new trade relationships, pretty certain,


with the EU and I think I'd would continue and after that we can have


our own trade details so I am with Michael Gove, I don't think a Brexit


vote would cause a recession at all and longer term I think our economic


prospects would be better. Yasmin? Never trust an economist! They have


got it wrong again and again and again! I am not going to trust


roots, she is an economist! Morally worse than being a journalist!


Michael Gove has never been in a position to run our economy or any


other, to be this blase. This Project Fear thing is questionable,


too, because the other side has been quitting up the biggest beer of all


about immigration. -- whipping up. I'm not an economist, I will give


you that, but you have got it wrong, economists have not been good for


us! There is this thing that we don't know, nobody knows what is


going to happen. There is no reason for recession because trade will


continue. What happens if it doesn't? Can I come to your door


with a demonstration saying, you said nothing would happen?! Yes, you


can! I would lock your door just in case!


The Sunday Times has got, not the opposite story but maybe this is


something you might agree on, no turning back, warns David Cameron.


In other words, if we vote Out, we are out. People talk about a second


referendum if there is a Brexit vote on Thursday, go back to the European


Commission, talk about wee negotiation, I think it is a


nonstarter. Cameron tried. This is about a background of the polls


showing a shift towards the Remain side, I wonder if it is the sympathy


vote for Jo Cox. I know we will talk about the Observer as well but I


thought it was interesting. But he is right, this is Out. He's also


right when he says, when you have jumped out of the aeroplane, quote,


you cannot scramble back through the door. This is one of the problems


with this, once this incredibly big, important decision has been made,


those people who may suffer the most are people at the bottom who have no


say, in someways, and probably won't go out to vote, sadly, and it will


be too late to do anything else. It is all very well to talk about the


trade deals being fantastic in Australia or rubber but in the


interim years as huge uncertainty will prevail. With the ERM there was


lots of uncertainty but the economy thrived so I don't buy all of


uncertainty stuff. We just want to believe what we want to believe.


You're Project Fear on the economy, let's be frank about this. I just


don't want economists to talk about it, that is all! Let's not be


horrible about economist any more! Let's move on, Mail On Sunday, lots


of interesting things in the Mail On Sunday this week, one is Jo Cox,


words that she wrote just four days before she was killed, exclusive,


don't fall for Leave's spin, I back the Prime Minister's plan to curb EU


migrants. Do you think that perhaps Jo Cox has


changed a bit the nature of this campaign, the shock everybody feels?


I don't know, I think people might have changed for other reasons but


it certainly has shocked the nation. I really want people to think about


this and not lay stupid blame on one side or the other. But the country


feels like a very openly and unpleasant country on the moment --


at the moment if they think you are an outsider, which includes people


like me, I have had texts and e-mails, I was shivering with,


children who look foreign being assaulted, racism has broken out of


the sewer was a bit -- I was showing roof. We always think the hard right


is out there in Germany, Poland, so on, but we have a very strong hard


right and I think people have begun to look at the country we are


becoming, and a good thing, too, because actually I want us to be the


country we were during the Olympics. I don't like the way the immigration


issue has been so dominant, to be honest, in this campaign. Looking at


this, obviously I don't agree with what she's saying, it seems


discourteous to disagree with somebody who cannot answer back, but


the truth is if we don't leave the single market we cannot control


migration from the EU, and that, for a lot of people in this country who


are not necessarily hard right or nasty people, is an issue. You


cannot get over that, because they see the pressures on the public


services, they see migrants from Poland competing for their jobs. You


have to address these issues where there is an element of the hard


right but these are not necessarily people who are hard right who are


concerned about immigration. I am saying we have our own hard right,


but I am saying and Nigel Farage's last poster, the most disgusting


poster, actually disgusting... I don't condone that. Syrian refugees


as a threat to us, but what I'm saying is the mood in the country


since the referendum debate turned to migration has been poisonous.


People are concerned and you have to address the concerns. A couple of


other things, there is quite a lot in the Mail On Sunday which I


thought was interesting. This is amazing, I never expected the Mail


to do this. Page seven, Swastika girl, Cox's debt is unfortunate but


don't let it stop us voting to quit the EU, stuff from various Nazi


groups. This is the hard right that you said we tended to ignore. It is


interesting how very quickly, very soon after Jo Cox's murder, how many


commentators on the right were eager to say to us, oh, he was mentally


ill, you might be, I don't know, or it has got nothing to do with the


general right-wing and the mood of the country, two disassociates what


happened. I think one has to take a much fairer look at what the country


has become and here you have it, here you have it. OK, she is one


girl, thank God we have kept the extremist right at bay here, but


here you have it, they have quoted her, don't let this man sacrifice go


in vain. But, Ruth, this is a fringe of a fringe of a fringe, isn't it?


It is, a Labour MP in the papers a few days before, who was close to Jo


Cox and was in Birstall a couple of days ago, she was very upset, it was


quite touching, but she said, please don't criticise this death and


connected in that particular way because she thought it wasn't


helpful. I hope I am not misquoting her but I would agree with that


sentiment. Can we look at what the papers have said about, I don't know


whether people are led by leader columns in newspapers, but the Mail


has got, for a safer, more prosperous and even greater Britain,


we urge you to vote Remain, the Mail On Sunday, not what the Mail says.


The Times says, Vote Remain, where the Sunday Times and The Sun, owned


by the same people, are saying the opposite. Do you think people care?


We care, because we look at this stuff. The irony is that if you are


a mail reader, you read the Daily Mail six days a week and then you


read this... I don't think Daily Mail readers will be influenced by


this, I detect the big rivalry here, I would not want to go to a family


party that! I'm shocked you detect some kind of rivalry in the Mail!


This is what is happening to the country, within families this huge


divide, Boris' family, the only one who wants out, he and his wife. His


sister is in here somewhere saying the opposite. His father is in, the


brothers are in. My closest Asian friends, I grew up with them, I am


so upset that they want to leave, and my English husband is going to


go to them today, sit them down and give them a lecture on how this is


wrong! Intimidation! I'm not sure Sunday lunches are the place to


discuss any of this! The Observer must have been


listening to you, Britain's bit down the middle over Brexit. Do you trust


the opinion polls on this? I suggest many of us don't any more. Not


really, they got it so very badly wrong before the 2015 election. Most


of the polling on this one was done before Jo Cox's debt and I suspect,


as I mentioned earlier, there might have been a bit of a sympathy vote


towards Remain since then. What surprises me about all this is how


close the polls are, however bad or good they are, how close they are. I


thought the Remain campaign would wallop this. I think some of them


did, as well. I did not expect... Remain was lazy at the beginning.


Neither was brilliant. Brexit was hyperactive! We are at hyperactive


people! Is that it, Ruth, do you think Brexiters are very interested


in this and the past sway the British people are not that


bothered? It is interesting, people who say they will vote Brexit are


more likely to vote than those who said they would vote Remain, they


are more Bob -- more motivated. And that is why I want all of you don't


want to leave to... This is party political! I am going to change the


subject completely because we are in enough trouble!


The Observer has got what I think is a great story, cheered me up, Tim


Peake is back on Earth. Interested in this or not? It is fantastic! And


he looks so... Just so unaffected, when you watched him, it was


Kazakhstan where he came down, he must be so fit, in the old-fashioned


meaning of the word, all of the words are changing now! I usually


feel worth getting off the tube than he did coming at 28,000 mph or


something through the earth's atmosphere! When they put him on the


funny, tactical chair then wiped his face, he looked pretty exhausted. He


is a great advocate. He is fantastic, he said, all I want now


is a pizza and a cold beer. His body has been under huge stress, the


capital comes out at something like 18,000 mph, I hope I have got the


figure right, don't trust me, I'm an economist! It hits the Earth with a


great bump and I think the capsule was upside down so they had to push


it over. By the time he was on his feet he looked much better but his


body has been through huge stress. He really enter used young kids. And


he worked at it, didn't he, talking to classrooms and that sort of


stuff? Science is still not popular amongst young kids, it is heroic,


fantastic. Heroic, fantastic. Thanks to Ruth Lea and


Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. Just a reminder we'll take a look


at tomorrow's front pages tonight at 10.30pm and 11.30pm here on BBC




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