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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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You both sat upright then... LAUGHTER.

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We knew that we were on telly and thought we had better look our best.

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With me are the broadcaster, John Stapleton, and the former

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It is nice to have you both here. Thank you.

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But first let's have a quick look at some of the front pages,

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which are almost all focus on the EU Referendum.

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The Telegraph reports that Boris Johnson has used a letter

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in the paper to call on voters to seize a once-in-a-lifetime

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The Times reveals that Baroness Warsi, a former co-chair

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of the Conservative Party, will announce that she is abandoning

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Brexit and defecting to the Remain campaign in protest at what she has

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described as its "hate and xenophobia."

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The Guardian leads with the news we have been covering tonight.

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The Prime Minister using an appearance on Question Time

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to invoked the memory of Winston Churchill as he delivered

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an impassioned plea for EU membership.

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The Financial Times says that David Cameron invoked the memory

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of the murdered Labour MP, Jo Cox, to press the case for Britain

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staying in the EU during that Question Time appearance.

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The Daily Mail sees it differently, saying the David Cameron

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was subjected to a live TV mauling over his failure to curb EU

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The Express claims that every family could be hit with a ?2,600 tax bill

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The paper says that European Union is opposed to the UK charging zero

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The Sun goes with Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn's comments this

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morning that there can be no upper limit on the number of people coming

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into the UK while there is free movement of labour in the EU.

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And the Mirror meanwhile splashes on what it says is the first picture

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of a pensioner who tried to save MP Jo Cox before her death.

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So, we will begin this time with the Times, and since we were last on a

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it has changed its headline. Exit camp divided as senior Tory walks

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out. Gove and Farage accused of spreading hatred. And Baroness

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Warsi, communities minister, now a peer in the House of Lords. She had

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started off as a Leaver and with what happened in the last couple of

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days and weeks it appears that she days and weeks it appears that she

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has had a change of heart. To be fair I would call it a non-

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defection- defection because we would have thought she was always a

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Remainer, so it is desperate stuff, trying to invent a defector. What we

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know for sure is Lord Guthrie, former head of the armed forces, he

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has defected to leave and he is now an Brexiter. I don't think this

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rings true. She left in 2014 saying she couldn't support the decision on

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the conflict. It is powerful. She is accusing Michael Gove in her words

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of peddling lies and xenophobia and I think she has in mind... There are

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three that David Cameron has identified. The EU cost ?300

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million. It doesn't. We get half of it back. There will be an EU army,

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well it won't be happening. And Turkey will join the EU. Well, maybe

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one day but not within my lifetime. I think that is what she is talking

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about. Whatever she is talking about, it is a non- defection

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defection because most people would have always thought she was a

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Remainer. What people were saying is, why are we paying ?10 billion to

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an organisation? We are actually paying 62 billion in trade deficits.

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People would say we are not having our sovereignty and we need to keep

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control of Allah borders. We are talking stories either way -- our

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borders. Why would she say she was the final straw and can't support it

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if it's not a defection? Because most of us would have had her down

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as a Remainer. But what she thinks she is and says she is... We have

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quotes of her as a Remainer. Maybe she has changed. We are not sure

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about her. Boris said he wanted to stay in. He would decide to leave if

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Cameron didn't get the right reforms. To be fair, people would

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have said they don't know which side of the argument to be on and they

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will look at what he brings back as a deal and then people have said,

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actually, there is no deal. We still have freedom of movement. We still

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want. We haven't got sovereignty. want. We haven't got sovereignty.

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People said he didn't bring anything back. The sovereignty argument is

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interesting. We choose to belong to Nato and the UN. We choose to belong

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up until now to the EU. So all of our sovereignty has gone but we

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decide to belong to bigger organisations because we think that

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on balance it is worth doing. We are saying, who makes the laws? You have

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unelected commissioners making the laws. They are commissioners we

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send, just as all the others. They have to be approved. They are not

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elected and we cannot get rid of them as we do in this country. 50%

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of the laws are coming from Europe. That is not true. Something like 2%

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of our laws in this country are from the EU. We send MEPs who vote on

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policies brought down from the commission. Laws are introduced by

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people who are not elected by us and we cannot get... We agree on that.

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The point is MEPs vote on it. They can have a vote on it to tinker them

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but they are not introducing them. The commission introduces laws at

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the request of the member states. Having been there for several years

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and watching the process that goes through, I would say it is bordering

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on to the least worst option as 28 countries cobbled together laws. We

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think it is right in saying that it is diminishing our democratic

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process here and that is a huge part of the issue. Get a word in, John.

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It does claim to be a Brexit, it was a Brexit, and she was in the

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remaining camp, and she says she has left because of the UKIP poster

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issued on Friday showing a stream of people coming with the headline,

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breaking point. Most people didn't agree with that. It is on the Metro.

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The implication that they were coming into Britain. They were

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Syrians going to Slovenia. George Osborne said today it was vile and

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disgusting and Nigel Farage is battling to defend it. Everyone else

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has said it was wrong and misguided. They said they shuddered. We must be

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able to talk about immigration. That was misguided without doubt. It was

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only a one-day poster. He will have another one tomorrow. Well, he has

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to say that. In the Metro he says he is a victim of political hatred. I

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don't follow that. I heard him say it earlier, we have to be careful

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about this, I think he was saying that had it not been for the

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unfortunate murder of Jo Cox he would have been put through the

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ringer over that poster. People can understand what I mean over that.

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That was one of his lines of defence and whether you agree is another

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thing. I thought it was a vile thing to do. They are not EU migrants.

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They asked Syrians. They have no idea of Britain. He came out and

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said it was wrong, the tone was wrong - mistake. Michael Gove

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distance himself too. The Daily Mail, PM's TV mauling over

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migration. A mixed reaction to his performance. Some thought he did

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well and was impassioned, others thought he began to rant. I missed

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the first few minutes. Esther said it was a game of two halves. I saw

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35 minutes and I thought the audience was really good and feisty

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with intelligent questions and they were not letting him off the hook. I

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thought he coped quite well. What got him going was a reference to

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someone saying he was a modern day Neville Chamberlain with

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paper that he waves in front of us. We all know that it is a European

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dictatorship that can put the paper in the bin. That got him going,

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talking about Churchill. He said he didn't give in and we shouldn't get

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in. This is what we were talking about before, the democracy having

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what you thought you have got, he came back and said... Neville

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Chamberlain, waving this piece of paper with what you have thought you

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had got and it actually isn't, you think you have got it but those 27

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other countries can turn against you. You have brought back nothing.

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Marks out of ten, what would you give him for that performance? You

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saw it all. I thought the second half was much better. He was much

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stronger on that answer. But I think... He looked anxious in the

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first half. Oh, really? I don't think there was anything new. He

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would be anxious. I have to say, when you are doing those debates,

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they are nerve-racking. Obviously he has placed his credibility and

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belief on the line. He didn't sparkle. And the polls are neck and

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neck with a search, if you believe them, towards the Remain camp. The

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Sun - we just can't keep them out. Oh, dear. Jeremy Corbyn admitting it

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would be impossible to put any limit on EU migrants if the country votes

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remain. Well, he has it right. There is no argument. If the country votes

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to leave, but the negotiations take place for us to remain as trading

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partners, a bit like Norway or Switzerland, they would still be the

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same freedom of movement issues. That is untrue. Like they have their

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own agreement, we would then have our agreement. Some of those

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countries asked for more immigration to go to them because that was part

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of it, they wanted that. We would look at it and said, what do we want

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and not want? You can't compare the UK agreement with someone else's

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agreement -- say. For the first two years, not too much would be

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happening. And because we've got most things in place it would be a

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pretty quick deal. And it would be because most exports are coming to

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the UK. If we leave the EU, the UK is Europe's biggest single export

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market. Of course we can negotiate. Why would the 27 members make it

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easy for Britain to leave and strike a deal easily when they would tell

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us that we are at the back of the queue? They are selling more to us.

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We are on a 62 billion deficit each year with them. That's why they

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would make it easier. They argue in more from us. Back to the story from

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the Sun, briefly, it is interesting because of the impact it will have

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on Labour Party support and support for members because don't forget

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John McDonald has said we should be campaigning for reform of movement

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of labour and so on. It never happened. Arguably, these remarks

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from Jeremy Corbyn, they are damaging to Labour and the Remain

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cause because it highlights what is a fact. We are trying to hide behind

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this and he has told the truth. There is nothing we can do if we

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remain. What the others say is we have tried to negotiate but we

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can't. It never happened. The Daily Express, EU tax rate on Britain. The

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soaring cost of staying in is revealed as PM is heckled on TV. By

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some. I mean, they did laugh, I mean, at the Prime Minister. This is

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because Brussels stone like Britain charging zero cut rate VAT on some

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items -- Brussels don't like. All the papers have their position on

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Remain or Leave and quite rightly they have a story that suit their

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cause. The Daily Mail is very much to Leave. The Express is to leave.

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This is a story which is quite true, it is quite possible that the EU

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would scrap... We currently have a zero rate of VAT on certain items.

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They could change it. No one is saying it. No one is saying we would

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do this. It is theoretically possible. No one is quoted as saying

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it would happen. They are saying the VAT is an EU tax and it is what they

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control, so whereas George Osborne and David Cameron said we have

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negotiated so sanitary towels for women can be zero rate of tax rather

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than 5%, they haven't got it, but if they should in future want more

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money from the UK, the way they would go about it is no doubt

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through VAT. Just like last year... (CROSSTALK). Last year it was

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November, 2014, they decided the UK had too much of a black economy, so

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they took ?1 billion from us. This is how to do it. They could do it

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but there is no plan to do it currently. They took 1 billion from

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us the other year like that. We will see. That is all I can say. We could

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carry on but I think we've got to go. The taxi is here. Thank you very

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much, Esther and John. Lovely to see you both.

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Coming up next, it's The Film Review.

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