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will just be it. I have races that I am committed to for the rest of the


year, then I will decide whether I go.


Time for The Paper. -- The Papers. With me are Lisa Markwell,


former editor of The Independent on Sunday, and Martin Bentham,


the Home Affairs Editor of Hilary Benn's sacking fully


emerged, and this morning's reports that up to half the shadow cabinet


are expected to resign in a bid Heidi Alexander being the first


to announce she's stepping down. The Observer reported


that the Labour leader had been facing a coup by members


of his shadow cabinet, led by the former Shadow


Foreign Secretary. The Sunday Times says


Hilary Benn had been consulting colleagues about telling


Jeremy Corbyn his time was up. Elsewhere, "Tories at War"


is the Sunday Telegraph's headline. The paper says bitter infighting has


reached new heights "Tories Battle to Stop


Boris" is the Mail The paper says a string of MPs


are lining up in the race to succeed and the Sunday Express


outlines what it The paper says a string of MPs


are lining up in the race to succeed And the Sunday Express


outlines what it says is a triple boost to the UK


following the referendum. What the make of this? It was


probably inevitable that it was going to happen quite quickly that


the Labour Shadow Cabinet, people who disagree with Jeremy Corbyn, or


feel that now is the time to mobilise, have to do something very


quickly, because for a labourer, if they want to install a new leader,


and if there is the possibility of a general election, they have to get a


new leader in place quickly and the only way to do that is to push for a


mass resignations, which it looks like we will get today. Hilary Benn


was not resignation, but he was pushed out. It is all about timing.


Somebody I noticed on Twitter was saying that one of Jeremy Corbyn's


advisers last night must have done the sacking from the taxi on the way


home from the party last night. It is all very uncharted waters, this


sort of middle of the night. What you make of this? You could not make


some of it up. In a way it has been about to happen for quite some time,


just a matter of when. From the Parliamentary Labour Party


to view, since the Mormon Jeremy Corbyn was elected. There has been


talk for a long time, and obviously now because of the referendum result


-- the moment Jeremy Corbyn was elected. Even if there is not a


general election on the horizon, obviously there will be won in 2020


at the very latest, they have to address that damage that has been


caused to the core support which we saw some of the last election anyway


and looks to be getting worse. They do not want to face in the north of


the country -- the country what they faced in Scotland. As it happens on


this occasion, he has fast forward at himself -- fast forward it down


mac the situation himself by this late-night sacking.


You could see how it could happen. It is only a year since the actual


general election. With David Cameron stepping down there will be a


groundswell of opinion which says, we need to be able to press the


reset button across the board. I think it is fascinating that this


massive, seismic events, which is leaving the EU, obviously people are


talking about it, but we are talking so much more about the personalities


rather than this enormous, once-in-a-lifetime event. It is so


important who replaces Cameron, and so important who replaces Jeremy


Corbyn, but we must not lose sight of what is really happening here,


which is this decision which will reverberate through the next


hundreds of years. David Cameron, Boris Johnson, article 50, all of


that... Belieber debate is not entirely irrelevant, but somewhat


irrelevant -- The Labour debate. The fact that people were googling, what


is the EU? And saying that they would not leave if they had known


what was going to happen. This is a time when the newspapers are very


important. If the newspapers did not do a good enough job of that, which


on the whole they did, it is a real struggle to see how people will make


an informed opinion about who to vote foreign general election if


they got their start mac if they said that they did not understand


the issues around the EU. Sticking with Jeremy Corbyn just for a


second, he may be hosted, but he could run again. The suggestion is


that he will not quit, which could mean that he could be re-elected. As


your political correspondent quite rightly summarised situation


recently, the problem for the critics of Jeremy Corbyn is exactly


that, that the party is supportive of Jeremy Corbyn but also his view


of the world, that left of centre view, there is a big split between


the grassroots of the party and the people who actually bolted. --


voted. The problem is that someone like Jeremy Corbyn will win again.


The gulf between the party and the politicians. Only something like 2.5


people who voted Labour at the last general election... It is


significant that he has grassroots support... That is entirely valid,


but it is not the Labour Party, it is the Labour readership... This


could have been foreseen at the time that he was elected. Some said that


he was an electable. Many of his critics did say that. He still got


voted in by the people in the party. We will come back to that. We might


even go over and hear Hilary Benn if he appears on the Andrew Marr


programme shortly. Tories at war. Minister claims that


project fewer warnings -- project fewer warnings are being borne out


-- gulf. The Sunday papers were only a week


ago heralding the joy of leaving. Now they are panicking, who is going


to run this thing? 24 hours ago, Boris Johnson was saying that David


Cameron was this marvellous statesman. No friends of Boris


Johnson are briefing against David Cameron -- now. It is all friends


against friends, friends,' is. -- "friends".


Tories battle to stop Boris Johnson. Five rivals it tend to battle for


number ten. He is not loved by everybody within the Parliamentary


Conservative Party. Inevitably that will lead to a definite contest for


the leadership. I would have thought that it is him or to Reza may -- to


Reza -- consumer. She is the till person. There are


criticisms that Boris Johnson is good at the big picture, but she's


very good at running a department. She's a formidable hard worker and


is devoted. Do not assume that Boris Johnson is the darling of the


Conservative Party activists, some people do not necessarily want a


permanent right on the big Dipper. Some of his appeal is that he can


reach out across and beyond the Tory divide. On the other hand, there is


the danger that people do not like him because of his showmanship. He


is a winner. He won the London mayor collection and he won, if you can


call it that, the referendum. They might say, we might not like him but


he is effective. The mail on Sunday, a picture of Boris Johnson playing


cricket, it says, Boris Johnson plays cricket as George Osborne goes


missing. We are is George Osborne? This is fascinating. We saw the


poignant pictures yesterday of David Cameron and Samantha Cameron.


Whatever the broader picture is, he has to be visible, he has to do


something. Before the referendum, he said that we do not have a plan in


place. Mark Carney said that he had been talking to the Chancellor for


weeks. By your apps and you're really undermining any chance that


you have left of continuing to be in front line politics. I do not think


that he has much of a chance. Win or lose I think that he has antagonised


an awful lot of people. Especially with his emergency budget, and a lot


of Tories said that they would not vote for it. He was at the forefront


of the Project Fear agenda. He does need to actually do his job. Let us


hear from Hilary Benn on the Andrew Marr show.


This has been a very difficult decision for me because I agreed to


serve in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. I did not vote for him, but


I thought we had a responsibility to support him, as I have supported


every Labour Leader since I was elected as a member of Parliament.


But it was becoming increasingly clear that there was grave concern


about his leadership. I said to him that I no longer had confidence... I


no longer had confidence in his leadership and he then dismissed me


from the Shadow Cabinet, which is understandable, and I thanked him


for having given me the opportunity to serve as Shadow Foreign


Secretary. But the position is this. At this absolutely critical time for


our country, following the EU referendum result, the Labour Party


needs strong and effect if leadership to hold the government to


account as we take huge decisions about the future of our country. We


do not currently have that, and there is no confidence that we will


be able to win a general election as long as Jeremy Corbyn remains


leader, and I thought it was important to say that. Is a


concerted move now against him? We have seen Heidi Alexander announced


her resignation this morning. There are rumours that more will follow.


Will there be more, do you think? Of course, as you would expect. It is


for each individual to make their own decision. I have made mine, and


I have made my views clear to Jeremy. He is a good and decent


man... He is a good and decent man, but he is not a leader, and that is


the problem. You called him, presumably? I did. You knew what was


going on, presumably. I was not entirely surprised. He took his


decision, as he was perfectly entitled to do. Do you accept that


what you did was disloyal? Route I did what I believe to be true. -- I


said what I believe to be true. I have devoted a lot of my personal


life to politics, and if things are not working I think we have a wider


responsibility to the party that we love, to speak out, because although


this is, number of people will see that this is not an ideal time,


there is never an ideal time, but it is not working, so therefore I


thought it was important to speak out. Let us talk about the timing.


It was less than a year ago that Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader on


an absolutely massive landslide vote inside the Labour Party by members,


trade unionists and others. Now it appears that there is a coup against


him. The Conservative Party is tearing itself apart and an election


looms quickly. Is this not the worst possible timing to be doing this? I


want to Jeremy to be able to succeed, which is why greed to serve


in the Shadow Cabinet. Not every body agreed to do so. But it has


become clear that he is not succeeding, and there is never an


ideal time and I recognise that and I also understand there will be


those in the party live very, very unhappy about this. But we all await


Judy -- we all wider duty to the party and the country needs a strong


opposition. Can you walk us through the next few days? There will be a


meeting on Monday and the possibility of a secret ballot on


Tuesday on a motion of no confidence, which Margaret Hodge


laid down. Is that when you think you will have to go? It is for


Jeremy to make his own decision and further members of the Shadow


Cabinet, the front bench, to decide what they will do. A number of


things are happening, which you have just described. What we need more


than anything else is strong leadership to deal with the


challenge that the country faces. Because the decisions that you have


just been discussing, article 50, personally, on that, we need to work


out what kind of relation job we want to have with Europe. It is


important that we continue to have access to the single market, the


majority has sent us a message about free movement. We have to accept the


decision, though I am very sorry about the outcome. Is there a basis


to say, as the Liberal Democrats have done, that this was a


catastrophe and we will frustrate the decision if we are elected? We


have to respect the democratic decision and democratic will of the


British people however much... I am glad you said that. However sad we


are about the outcome. It is finished? The decision has been


made, we have to make the best of it and heal the wounds. A nation


divided on such a fundamental issue, that is not good for the future of


the country. Have you decided whether to stand as the leader of


the Labour Party? I am not going to be candidate for leader. I did not


do this because I wanted to do it, I did it because it was the right


thing to do. I care about the party that we have committed so much of


our lives too. This seems like a futile coup attempt. Whatever the


parliamentary party decides to do, the decision has to go back to the


mass membership of the party, who we know are still vehemently


enthusiastic we in favour of Jeremy Corbyn. Whatever happens in


Parliament, the Labour Party will choose Jeremy Corbyn again, isn't


it? That depends what happens. Whether Jeremy Corbyn decides to


step down or to fight again. But I would also say to you, from


conversations on the doorstep and with Labour Party members, that


there are people who voted for Jeremy last year who are now seeing,


it is not working, is it? The party will have to reflect on that because


in the end we have to decide, are we going to be and affected -- and


effective political force? There is a poll on the people today who


suggest that people who voted for us as saying that they would not do so


now. That would be catastrophic for the party as well as the country,


because we need a strong and effective Labour Party. Just


guessing, a lot of those are going to go to Ukip? That remains to be


seen. We have to show as a party that we have listened to the


message, the majority have centres. There are a number of reasons for


that, sovereignty and immigration was a big message on the doorstep.


Profound change, insecurity, old jobs have disappeared, people


worrying about housing and the futures of their children. The


Labour Party has to listen and show that we have understated and that we


will come forward with policies. Do you think Jeremy Corbyn should now


resign as Labour Leader? I no longer have confidence in him and the right


thing for him to do with each take that decision, but that is the


matter for him. Do you have a candidate in mind to replace them?


No, that is not about him. In a sense it is. If there is an


election, that will be a decision for the Labour Party. It is


increasingly widely felt that the leadership we currently have is not


working. I have said that openly and honestly. If there is a vote of no


confidence next week, at that point, do you think that it is over for


him? It is very difficult for any Labour leader to survive a vote of


no confidence from the members that he is leading but we will have to


see what happens. If he is supported by the party and the country, would


you need a new structure to deal with that? I do not think that is an


issue to talk about today. We had to deal with the situation we find


ourselves in. We had the referendum campaign, I do not lean Jeremy for


the outcome of the referendum, but people saw that he did not bring a


great deal of enthusiasm to the task of arguing the case for Britain


remaining in the European Union. Some people on the Jeremy Corbyn


side of the item and say that you are leading a coup against him. Is


that a fairway of putting it? I would not describe it as that


myself. How would you describe it? I have come to the conclusion that I


no longer have confidence. I said to him that I could not continue to


serve and he dismissed me, and he is right to do so. It is for others to


take the decision, but if this is the conclusion that we reach about


the party that we care about, the right thing to do is to be


straightforward and open about it and consequences will unfold.


Hilary Benn speaking to Andrew Marr and saying that he has lost


confidence in Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of


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