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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are the Political Editor of the Sunday Times, Tim Shipman,

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the Political Editor of the Daily Express,

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Caroline Wheeler and the London Editor of the Irish

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An ad you have all had a busy few weeks. You cannot be shot of

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exciting things to write. The leadership contest into political

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parties and, who knows, we may have a general election. We are battered.

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Stay at home. So let's take a look

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at tomorrow's front pages. And Tories at War is

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the Sunday Telegraph's headline. The paper says bitter infighting

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has reached new heights Tories Battle to Stop Boris

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is the Mail on Sunday's lead. The paper says a string of MPs

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are lining up in the race to succeed Along the same lines,

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The Sunday Times' top story headline reads Top Tories rush

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to stop Boris bandwagon. The Observer says Britain is heading

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into a period of unprecedented political, constitutional

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and economic crisis' as European leaders put pressure on the UK

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to act quickly. The Sunday Express outlines what it

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says is a 'triple boost' to the UK We will start with the Observer.

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Europe's leader demand to get out now. Angela Merkel was sounding

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quite diplomatic. Meanwhile, other founding members are saying you

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decided on this so you need to get a move on. We said we were to go so

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they want is to go so they can stabilise as we seamlessly drift out

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but it is not really going to happen that way and Angela Merkel

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understand that and she does not want to totally alienate Britain and

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she is waiving the olive branch. She's saying we do not have to rush

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them and give them time to invoke Article 50 which is the legal

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mechanism to Exeter. Nobody has ever used it before so it is an chartered

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territory. It is all uncharted territory. It is down to Britain to

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do it. And it does not make sense to do it when we are picking a new

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Prime Minister. David Cameron has said to invoke Article 50 when we

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have a new Prime Minister. Angela Merkel, it smacks of a guilt

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complex. She denied freedom of movement as part of the Renee Gracie

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is and that frankly looks like that is what put him in a tricky position

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with the British public. She is trying to help her old mate out a

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bit late in the day. One of your colleagues wrote Brexit is a

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bewildering act of self harm. Is there anything positive you can see

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about what the British have decided to do? Not from an Irish point of

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view. Some people are clutching at straws about growth in jobs if the

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city moves over their art it is all on the downside, economic league, it

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diplomatically and it goes deeper in the sense that one of the happiest

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things that has happened to Ireland has been improvement in the

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relationship between Ireland and Britain and Irish people feel it

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very deeply. The atmosphere is very relaxed. There is a slight unease

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that something about that could change. That we would find ourselves

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a little bit going in different directions whereas we had big coming

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together -- being. It feels less to British people but to Irish people

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might happen, for the first time we found ourselves meeting as equals at

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international forums. Although we were the small country, nonetheless,

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the Irish, felt after all the psychodrama from history, this was a

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place where we could start in a different way. A lot of Irish

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politicians and officials got to know British counterparts very well

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and that helped with the process. Nobody would argue the European

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project is perfect at what are the gripes from Ireland? In the Irish...

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The last couple of years, after our financial crash, we got help from

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the EU but with a lot of painful and unpleasant strings attached so the

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Irish did see the cold and arrogant face of Europe very recently but,

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having said that, for Island membership has always been

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fundamentally regarded as something that has helped us and we have never

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had the feeling as a lot of people in Britain have had that they did

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not feeding. You are going to have a massive immigration problem with all

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the Brits moving the island! They are very welcome. There is a bit of

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a rush for anyone with Irish ancestry to get a passport. There

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is, and there are complications. People from Northern Ireland can

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choose to have both passports and the citizenships and that could be

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interesting because it could raise a question that you could find

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somebody from Bell asked who is both a system of U youth -- Belfast --

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system of EU. Nothing seems to be straightforward but we like a

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puzzle. The shadow cabinet backing the revolt to depose Jeremy Corbyn

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but he says he's not going anywhere. This is becoming quite serious for

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Jeremy Corbyn. There is going to be a vote of no confidence, probably on

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Monday. It will be a secret ballot and there is every chance he could

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lose that. He could still contest the leadership. We have heard a lot

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of blood from the shadow cabinet, two thirds of them think their

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leader is a more on and wants to get rid of him -- more on. A respected

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figure ringing around saying, we really have to do this,... Even on

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Friday, the shadow cabinet met and one of the great purposes was for

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Jeremy Corbyn to say to them directly, due you still support me

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and went around the table and no definitive answer came back. Yet

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beforehand all these people were telling us he should go. This is now

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changing things. Will it not come down to the fact that if he has

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grassroot support his fine? In the long run but if you suffer a vote of

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no confidence where two thirds of your MPs say they do not want you to

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be the leader of the party, it does start to have an impact on the

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grassroots. The biggest Roblin is, who will stand against him? He also

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has a problem. Hillary Benn is actually approaching other members

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saying it he does not go voluntarily will you resign? If he cannot master

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enough people to serve, it would make his existence as leader fairly

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futile. Top Tories rushed to stop the Boris bandwagon. A whole range

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of people who might like to give it a well Bass absolutely. It will seem

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it will be a wide field. You have five names? Five, six, who knows! It

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surprises me about the life sciences Minister... This was my favourite

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text message of the day. Normally, you are delighted when you get a

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message from our politicians. He's telling me I have been urged to run

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and we have an agenda to go after young people. I had no idea who he

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was from. His number was not in my telephone so through a process of

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elimination I figured out it was George Friedman. Nicky Morgan,

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Stephen Crabb 's have spoken to the Sunday Times. Lynn Fox will have

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another turn at it. Jeremy Hunt is also seriously considering it, we

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are told. George Osborne we are have-nots heard from. But I do not

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think anyone thinks he is a gallop. Never rule out de de. He is touting

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around to see the can enough support. A wide field indeed in the

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contest. You have been through this not so long ago, trying to make the

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leadership stick. We have been trying to make the government stick!

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We had a chaotic outcome in the last elections so Kenny is relying on an

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assortment of diverse Independent members of Parliament and by the

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good grace of the opposition party who can revoke their good grace

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whenever they feel like it. It is touch and go. Do we think anybody

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can stop Boris? That is the million-dollar question. The dream

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team touted in the papers is I go up. Most people think it is going to

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be Boris against Theresa May. The way it the rules were, the Tory MPs

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select two members. In order to stop Boris, you need two people to get

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more MPs support is and it is difficult to see a strong challenge.

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And also, if you get into the final two, and it comes down to the

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Conservative Party association where Boris on schemes is extremely

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popular. Somebody will be doing some careful mathematics. You need 111

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MPs. You need a third class of one. It is not matter what anybody else

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gets. It is impressive. But it is interesting that one of the two

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should be a woman. There is going to be an attempt on Monday by some MPs

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who say one of them should be a woman. People see in this a plot. If

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you have a round of voting with two women, the woman who finishes top

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automatically finishes in. All the votes for example can then move into

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the men race. I don't think this was very recent.

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He is supposed to be playing cricket this afternoon. We didn't manage to

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get any photographs. It is very carefully worded. I wouldn't like to

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cast aspersions. Inside, the Brexit bombshell. The changing of the

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guard. It has some lovely, coloured photographs. A number of people will

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want to have a go at this, but they have a heck of a job on their hands.

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They have. There is a view in Tory leadership election is that the

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frontrunner doesn't win very often. In George Freeman's case, to

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introduce himself to the party and the wider public. I am delighted to

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see his missing from the Mail on Sunday's roster of potential

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candidates. Only because it means you have written about it and they

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haven't! It is the great revelation of the evening. There is some

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suggestion that Torres is calling for other candidates not to run,

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that there should be an automatic coronation that Boris should be

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crowned king. All these people who are touting themselves, they are

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indicating that they will run. I suspect what will happen is that

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some of these people will do their ring round and find they haven't got

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nearly enough support. Some people might think think 15 MPs is enough.

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I spoke to a cabinet minister earlier who said the party is not in

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the mood for a bunch of people with eight supporters and actually we

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should just get on and have this contest. There is a feeling that

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Stephen Pratt could get some momentum. Some people want to

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support him to stop Waris. There is a strong feeling amongst some people

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that there are two obvious big beasts. -- Boris. We should really

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just get on and have a fight between Boris Johnson and Theresa May for

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the crown. As is often the way, the Scottish Mail on Sunday has a

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different front page. EU snubbed the Nicola Sturgeon. Secret Brussels

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reports dashes SMP's hopes of staying in Europe. Should Scotland

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be allowed to ignore the result of the referendum? They are still part

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of the UK at the moment. If this result is supposed to be respected,

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Scotland should respect it as well. It is the member states. As soon as

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that changes, the situation changes. Article 50 has to be triggered.

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There is a fantasy on the Leave side, but they can wait as long as

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they like to triggered his Article 50. In theory they can but I think

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they have this notion that they would have informal negotiations and

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informal off the record talks, get the deal sorted out and then you

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start the clock. What the Europeans are saying is, we were talked to do,

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except in the context of this formal negotiations. What they are saying

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the Nicola Sturgeon is, you are going to have to leave the UK and

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apply as a new member state. That would mean a commitment to joining

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Europe, the Schengen. It would mean all of those things. Having said

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that, they say in the Scottish Mail on Sunday that it could take years.

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They could probably do it quickly in Scotland, because it already has all

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of the EU laws. So you wouldn't have to go through the process that

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Turkey did, to choose a candidate at random. There is a suggestion from

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constitutional experts that Northern Ireland and Scotland, because of how

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devolution is legislated for, would make it very difficult for Britain

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to enact the referendum. It is not my special subject but I read stuff

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today to suggest that they could put a brake on this and suggest they

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aren't going to do it if they don't like it. It is all very confusing,

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but it is interesting that Nicola Sturgeon is trying to say, we would

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effectively stay behind while the rest of Britain leaves. They are

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saying, no, you can't do that. If Scotland rejoined and then was in

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the Schengen zone are we there looking at rebuilding Hadrian's

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Wall, because you would be having to talk about putting up orders? That

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is a big question in Ireland again. Because part of it will be in

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Europe, do you then direct borders again? That's the reason why in

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Ireland what we would like would be that whatever deal is done is the

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deal that keeps Britain is closely connected to the EU as possible. So

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if that something like the Norwegian model, that could obviously keep

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Scotland in. If you remember the other day Nicola Sturgeon said that

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she wanted to make sure the key what Scotland's will was. -- to heed.

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That was to remain in EU, especially single market. If you take the

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single market problem off the table, then of course you do run into the

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problem that you can't then control immigration, which was the central

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promise of the referendum. There is another theory about when Article 50

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gets triggered. I read something today, that there's a clause in one

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of the treaties that suggests if David Cameron goes to the meeting

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next week and so much as talks about British Brexit, the can say, you

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have opened his talks with us now. You are effectively triggering

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Article 50, whether you like it or not. And all of the Brexiteers would

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then be thrown into chaos I imagine. The constitutional expert we spoke

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to suggested there needs to be a more formal declaration of that. But

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we are uncharted territory altogether. It is also the case that

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European Union law, whatever leaders say it is -- is whatever leaders say

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it is. So once they get in the room they can more or less decide what

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they want to do or how they wish to interpret the treaty. The treaty is

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worded in such a way that a member state informs the European Union

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that it wishes to withdraw. Excerpts couldn't. The Vote Leave campaign

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took it to the court in Luxembourg. -- except couldn't. And they used it

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to get the result they needed. They could do that. I think we have gone

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through the looking glass now. It just occurred to me! Before we move

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on, one thing about orders, very quickly after the result came out in

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the early hours of Friday morning, Thursday night, Friday morning, the

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question of the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland came up

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and some politicians were rushing to say, we don't want them to have to

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have guards along the border. Nobody does. But during the campaign,

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whenever anybody raised the Leave campaigners, including the Northern

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Ireland secretary, they all said it would be fine, nothing to worry

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about. You just wonder, how do they know? Obviously it's a question not

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just for Britain and Ireland but also the EU, as to if you are

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outside and the Irish Republic is inside. Certainly if you want to

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stop immigration coming from the rest of the EU it is hard to see how

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you don't do something to check who is coming in and out. Finally. We

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have a couple of minutes to talk about this petition, which has been

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launched, not that long ago. What did yesterday? Only yesterday. How

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time sometimes doesn't fly... It is on the parliamentary website and it

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is demanding a second referendum because the majority... There wasn't

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a sufficient number of people who turned up to vote and therefore it

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is not a sufficient number of people who voted in favour of leaving,

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according to the text of this petition. It has, what, 2.5 million?

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It has images at an alarming rate. Basically it hit about 100,000 in

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the first few hours, which is the moment it triggers a debate in

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Parliament. But to have hit 2.5 million within a day or so, for me

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it feels like a week ago... I had to put one sentence of this in a

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front-page story in the first filed the story it was 1.6 million. When

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we went to press it was 2.1. Brian Tomkinson on Twitter says, why don't

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you report the petition @ mostly by people who don't live in the UK? --

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as mostly. Wasn't there another petition demanding that London

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should become a citystate? There was an interesting map of this view was

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signing it adware. It was primarily in London, Brighton, Oxford,

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Cambridge. -- and where. A cosmopolitan story. It is

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interesting. It will get interesting when 80 million sign it and that's

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more for the people who voted for Brexit. -- 18 William. Here is the

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map. Thank you to whoever is directing the night! It is even

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being moved around, so you can look. London is dark red. That means a lot

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of people have signed it. Oxford apparently, Bristol, maybe Brighton.

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Yes. They are the places that are signing at a furious rate. But it

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won't make any difference. Not if we care about democracy. 70 million

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people... It feels like six months of campaigning and wall-to-wall news

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coverage. It is slightly indicative of some people who perhaps got a bit

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of a buzz. There is a guy in my office who voted for Brexit and

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today he said, economic meltdown does seem a bit worse than I was

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expecting. Yesterday he was complaining about Project Fear. He

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heard all of the warnings and didn't think that some of them would come

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true. Did you see the story about Google? The most common question

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asked on Google over the last couple of days is, what is the EU? After

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the referendum. Vote now, search later. Why do any of us bother? Read

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a paper! Make it the Irish times! The Sunday Times. Thank you, all.

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Try to get some rest. Lovely to have you. That's it. The weather is next.

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