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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are the Political Editor of the Sunday Times, Tim Shipman,


the Political Editor of the Daily Express,


Caroline Wheeler and the London Editor of the Irish


An ad you have all had a busy few weeks. You cannot be shot of


exciting things to write. The leadership contest into political


parties and, who knows, we may have a general election. We are battered.


Stay at home. So let's take a look


at tomorrow's front pages. And Tories at War is


the Sunday Telegraph's headline. The paper says bitter infighting


has reached new heights Tories Battle to Stop Boris


is the Mail on Sunday's lead. The paper says a string of MPs


are lining up in the race to succeed Along the same lines,


The Sunday Times' top story headline reads Top Tories rush


to stop Boris bandwagon. The Observer says Britain is heading


into a period of unprecedented political, constitutional


and economic crisis' as European leaders put pressure on the UK


to act quickly. The Sunday Express outlines what it


says is a 'triple boost' to the UK We will start with the Observer.


Europe's leader demand to get out now. Angela Merkel was sounding


quite diplomatic. Meanwhile, other founding members are saying you


decided on this so you need to get a move on. We said we were to go so


they want is to go so they can stabilise as we seamlessly drift out


but it is not really going to happen that way and Angela Merkel


understand that and she does not want to totally alienate Britain and


she is waiving the olive branch. She's saying we do not have to rush


them and give them time to invoke Article 50 which is the legal


mechanism to Exeter. Nobody has ever used it before so it is an chartered


territory. It is all uncharted territory. It is down to Britain to


do it. And it does not make sense to do it when we are picking a new


Prime Minister. David Cameron has said to invoke Article 50 when we


have a new Prime Minister. Angela Merkel, it smacks of a guilt


complex. She denied freedom of movement as part of the Renee Gracie


is and that frankly looks like that is what put him in a tricky position


with the British public. She is trying to help her old mate out a


bit late in the day. One of your colleagues wrote Brexit is a


bewildering act of self harm. Is there anything positive you can see


about what the British have decided to do? Not from an Irish point of


view. Some people are clutching at straws about growth in jobs if the


city moves over their art it is all on the downside, economic league, it


diplomatically and it goes deeper in the sense that one of the happiest


things that has happened to Ireland has been improvement in the


relationship between Ireland and Britain and Irish people feel it


very deeply. The atmosphere is very relaxed. There is a slight unease


that something about that could change. That we would find ourselves


a little bit going in different directions whereas we had big coming


together -- being. It feels less to British people but to Irish people


might happen, for the first time we found ourselves meeting as equals at


international forums. Although we were the small country, nonetheless,


the Irish, felt after all the psychodrama from history, this was a


place where we could start in a different way. A lot of Irish


politicians and officials got to know British counterparts very well


and that helped with the process. Nobody would argue the European


project is perfect at what are the gripes from Ireland? In the Irish...


The last couple of years, after our financial crash, we got help from


the EU but with a lot of painful and unpleasant strings attached so the


Irish did see the cold and arrogant face of Europe very recently but,


having said that, for Island membership has always been


fundamentally regarded as something that has helped us and we have never


had the feeling as a lot of people in Britain have had that they did


not feeding. You are going to have a massive immigration problem with all


the Brits moving the island! They are very welcome. There is a bit of


a rush for anyone with Irish ancestry to get a passport. There


is, and there are complications. People from Northern Ireland can


choose to have both passports and the citizenships and that could be


interesting because it could raise a question that you could find


somebody from Bell asked who is both a system of U youth -- Belfast --


system of EU. Nothing seems to be straightforward but we like a


puzzle. The shadow cabinet backing the revolt to depose Jeremy Corbyn


but he says he's not going anywhere. This is becoming quite serious for


Jeremy Corbyn. There is going to be a vote of no confidence, probably on


Monday. It will be a secret ballot and there is every chance he could


lose that. He could still contest the leadership. We have heard a lot


of blood from the shadow cabinet, two thirds of them think their


leader is a more on and wants to get rid of him -- more on. A respected


figure ringing around saying, we really have to do this,... Even on


Friday, the shadow cabinet met and one of the great purposes was for


Jeremy Corbyn to say to them directly, due you still support me


and went around the table and no definitive answer came back. Yet


beforehand all these people were telling us he should go. This is now


changing things. Will it not come down to the fact that if he has


grassroot support his fine? In the long run but if you suffer a vote of


no confidence where two thirds of your MPs say they do not want you to


be the leader of the party, it does start to have an impact on the


grassroots. The biggest Roblin is, who will stand against him? He also


has a problem. Hillary Benn is actually approaching other members


saying it he does not go voluntarily will you resign? If he cannot master


enough people to serve, it would make his existence as leader fairly


futile. Top Tories rushed to stop the Boris bandwagon. A whole range


of people who might like to give it a well Bass absolutely. It will seem


it will be a wide field. You have five names? Five, six, who knows! It


surprises me about the life sciences Minister... This was my favourite


text message of the day. Normally, you are delighted when you get a


message from our politicians. He's telling me I have been urged to run


and we have an agenda to go after young people. I had no idea who he


was from. His number was not in my telephone so through a process of


elimination I figured out it was George Friedman. Nicky Morgan,


Stephen Crabb 's have spoken to the Sunday Times. Lynn Fox will have


another turn at it. Jeremy Hunt is also seriously considering it, we


are told. George Osborne we are have-nots heard from. But I do not


think anyone thinks he is a gallop. Never rule out de de. He is touting


around to see the can enough support. A wide field indeed in the


contest. You have been through this not so long ago, trying to make the


leadership stick. We have been trying to make the government stick!


We had a chaotic outcome in the last elections so Kenny is relying on an


assortment of diverse Independent members of Parliament and by the


good grace of the opposition party who can revoke their good grace


whenever they feel like it. It is touch and go. Do we think anybody


can stop Boris? That is the million-dollar question. The dream


team touted in the papers is I go up. Most people think it is going to


be Boris against Theresa May. The way it the rules were, the Tory MPs


select two members. In order to stop Boris, you need two people to get


more MPs support is and it is difficult to see a strong challenge.


And also, if you get into the final two, and it comes down to the


Conservative Party association where Boris on schemes is extremely


popular. Somebody will be doing some careful mathematics. You need 111


MPs. You need a third class of one. It is not matter what anybody else


gets. It is impressive. But it is interesting that one of the two


should be a woman. There is going to be an attempt on Monday by some MPs


who say one of them should be a woman. People see in this a plot. If


you have a round of voting with two women, the woman who finishes top


automatically finishes in. All the votes for example can then move into


the men race. I don't think this was very recent.


He is supposed to be playing cricket this afternoon. We didn't manage to


get any photographs. It is very carefully worded. I wouldn't like to


cast aspersions. Inside, the Brexit bombshell. The changing of the


guard. It has some lovely, coloured photographs. A number of people will


want to have a go at this, but they have a heck of a job on their hands.


They have. There is a view in Tory leadership election is that the


frontrunner doesn't win very often. In George Freeman's case, to


introduce himself to the party and the wider public. I am delighted to


see his missing from the Mail on Sunday's roster of potential


candidates. Only because it means you have written about it and they


haven't! It is the great revelation of the evening. There is some


suggestion that Torres is calling for other candidates not to run,


that there should be an automatic coronation that Boris should be


crowned king. All these people who are touting themselves, they are


indicating that they will run. I suspect what will happen is that


some of these people will do their ring round and find they haven't got


nearly enough support. Some people might think think 15 MPs is enough.


I spoke to a cabinet minister earlier who said the party is not in


the mood for a bunch of people with eight supporters and actually we


should just get on and have this contest. There is a feeling that


Stephen Pratt could get some momentum. Some people want to


support him to stop Waris. There is a strong feeling amongst some people


that there are two obvious big beasts. -- Boris. We should really


just get on and have a fight between Boris Johnson and Theresa May for


the crown. As is often the way, the Scottish Mail on Sunday has a


different front page. EU snubbed the Nicola Sturgeon. Secret Brussels


reports dashes SMP's hopes of staying in Europe. Should Scotland


be allowed to ignore the result of the referendum? They are still part


of the UK at the moment. If this result is supposed to be respected,


Scotland should respect it as well. It is the member states. As soon as


that changes, the situation changes. Article 50 has to be triggered.


There is a fantasy on the Leave side, but they can wait as long as


they like to triggered his Article 50. In theory they can but I think


they have this notion that they would have informal negotiations and


informal off the record talks, get the deal sorted out and then you


start the clock. What the Europeans are saying is, we were talked to do,


except in the context of this formal negotiations. What they are saying


the Nicola Sturgeon is, you are going to have to leave the UK and


apply as a new member state. That would mean a commitment to joining


Europe, the Schengen. It would mean all of those things. Having said


that, they say in the Scottish Mail on Sunday that it could take years.


They could probably do it quickly in Scotland, because it already has all


of the EU laws. So you wouldn't have to go through the process that


Turkey did, to choose a candidate at random. There is a suggestion from


constitutional experts that Northern Ireland and Scotland, because of how


devolution is legislated for, would make it very difficult for Britain


to enact the referendum. It is not my special subject but I read stuff


today to suggest that they could put a brake on this and suggest they


aren't going to do it if they don't like it. It is all very confusing,


but it is interesting that Nicola Sturgeon is trying to say, we would


effectively stay behind while the rest of Britain leaves. They are


saying, no, you can't do that. If Scotland rejoined and then was in


the Schengen zone are we there looking at rebuilding Hadrian's


Wall, because you would be having to talk about putting up orders? That


is a big question in Ireland again. Because part of it will be in


Europe, do you then direct borders again? That's the reason why in


Ireland what we would like would be that whatever deal is done is the


deal that keeps Britain is closely connected to the EU as possible. So


if that something like the Norwegian model, that could obviously keep


Scotland in. If you remember the other day Nicola Sturgeon said that


she wanted to make sure the key what Scotland's will was. -- to heed.


That was to remain in EU, especially single market. If you take the


single market problem off the table, then of course you do run into the


problem that you can't then control immigration, which was the central


promise of the referendum. There is another theory about when Article 50


gets triggered. I read something today, that there's a clause in one


of the treaties that suggests if David Cameron goes to the meeting


next week and so much as talks about British Brexit, the can say, you


have opened his talks with us now. You are effectively triggering


Article 50, whether you like it or not. And all of the Brexiteers would


then be thrown into chaos I imagine. The constitutional expert we spoke


to suggested there needs to be a more formal declaration of that. But


we are uncharted territory altogether. It is also the case that


European Union law, whatever leaders say it is -- is whatever leaders say


it is. So once they get in the room they can more or less decide what


they want to do or how they wish to interpret the treaty. The treaty is


worded in such a way that a member state informs the European Union


that it wishes to withdraw. Excerpts couldn't. The Vote Leave campaign


took it to the court in Luxembourg. -- except couldn't. And they used it


to get the result they needed. They could do that. I think we have gone


through the looking glass now. It just occurred to me! Before we move


on, one thing about orders, very quickly after the result came out in


the early hours of Friday morning, Thursday night, Friday morning, the


question of the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland came up


and some politicians were rushing to say, we don't want them to have to


have guards along the border. Nobody does. But during the campaign,


whenever anybody raised the Leave campaigners, including the Northern


Ireland secretary, they all said it would be fine, nothing to worry


about. You just wonder, how do they know? Obviously it's a question not


just for Britain and Ireland but also the EU, as to if you are


outside and the Irish Republic is inside. Certainly if you want to


stop immigration coming from the rest of the EU it is hard to see how


you don't do something to check who is coming in and out. Finally. We


have a couple of minutes to talk about this petition, which has been


launched, not that long ago. What did yesterday? Only yesterday. How


time sometimes doesn't fly... It is on the parliamentary website and it


is demanding a second referendum because the majority... There wasn't


a sufficient number of people who turned up to vote and therefore it


is not a sufficient number of people who voted in favour of leaving,


according to the text of this petition. It has, what, 2.5 million?


It has images at an alarming rate. Basically it hit about 100,000 in


the first few hours, which is the moment it triggers a debate in


Parliament. But to have hit 2.5 million within a day or so, for me


it feels like a week ago... I had to put one sentence of this in a


front-page story in the first filed the story it was 1.6 million. When


we went to press it was 2.1. Brian Tomkinson on Twitter says, why don't


you report the petition @ mostly by people who don't live in the UK? --


as mostly. Wasn't there another petition demanding that London


should become a citystate? There was an interesting map of this view was


signing it adware. It was primarily in London, Brighton, Oxford,


Cambridge. -- and where. A cosmopolitan story. It is


interesting. It will get interesting when 80 million sign it and that's


more for the people who voted for Brexit. -- 18 William. Here is the


map. Thank you to whoever is directing the night! It is even


being moved around, so you can look. London is dark red. That means a lot


of people have signed it. Oxford apparently, Bristol, maybe Brighton.


Yes. They are the places that are signing at a furious rate. But it


won't make any difference. Not if we care about democracy. 70 million


people... It feels like six months of campaigning and wall-to-wall news


coverage. It is slightly indicative of some people who perhaps got a bit


of a buzz. There is a guy in my office who voted for Brexit and


today he said, economic meltdown does seem a bit worse than I was


expecting. Yesterday he was complaining about Project Fear. He


heard all of the warnings and didn't think that some of them would come


true. Did you see the story about Google? The most common question


asked on Google over the last couple of days is, what is the EU? After


the referendum. Vote now, search later. Why do any of us bother? Read


a paper! Make it the Irish times! The Sunday Times. Thank you, all.


Try to get some rest. Lovely to have you. That's it. The weather is next.


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