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Now on BBC News, here's Gavin with The Papers.

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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are the journalist and broadcaster Alice Arnold

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and the author and foreign correspondent Matthew Green.

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The Observer leads with more details of the 18-year-old who shot dead

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It describes him as a loner - who had 'an obsession

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The Sunday Telegraph says the Munich gunman used social media to lure

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the victims to a restaurant where he carried out the shootings.

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The Sunday Times front page has pictures

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of the gunman and some of the victims, many

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The Mail on Sunday says Bangladeshi workers

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are reportedly paid 30 pence an hour to make T shirts for Jeremy Corbyn's

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leadership campaign, which then sell for ?10 each.

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The Express reports that the Foreign Secretary,

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Boris Johnson is confident that the Brexit negotiations will

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Non Voyage - The Sunday Mirror reports

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on the holiday makers stuck in 12-hour long

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Lets on Sunday Telegraph. What many people will be struck by is the

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front-page picture of what looks like the schoolboy next door, just a

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kid. Yes, he does and the majority of the people that he killed were

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also just kids. This does seem to be quite targeted by him. They are now

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revealing the fact that he did send out messages on Facebook, come to

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McDonald's, I will get you free stuff. He set up a Facebook account

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and lured victims to their deaths. It seems most tragically they were

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very young, teenagers, as he was, a boy with severe problems. He went on

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a rampage. It is not linked as we now know to any terrorist

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organisation or any right wing faction or any of that, just a boy

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who was deeply disturbed, had been bullied at school, he lured victims

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and then shot them. That goes to the heart of how we can all processes.

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We saw what happened in Nice, Orlando, apparently he was

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fascinated by Anders Brodick, the right wing person in Norway who

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killed so people. -- Breivik. It strikes terror, but it does not seem

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to be motivated. If relief is the right word, that is what it was. You

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think it will be organised by Islamic State and then there is the

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ripple effect, the polarisation in society, the backlash and so on.

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Hopefully that will not happen in this case. It does seem very much

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like this teenager had all the warning signs that something was

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deeply wrong. He was reading a book called white kids kill? It was by an

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American psychologist Doctor Peter Langman, he had studied mass killers

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in the US to try to unravel what was going on. Columbine for example. He

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had managed to get hold of a Glock nine pistol, 300 rounds of

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ammunition. All of this happening quietly in his bedroom while living

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in his parents house. I do wonder because at the moment we seem to be

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living in such an unstable world and these events have multiplied

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recently, the one that you listed. -- ones. People in his

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psychologically disturbed state, on the edge of doing something like

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that or not, perhaps hearing about these other attacks that may be

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politically motivated could spark off their ability to do it. We are

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living in a really angry world and people like that are affected by

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those events. For better or for worse. Maybe hearing about Nice and

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Orlando, maybe that actually gave slightly more motivation to carry

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out the attack. I don't know, I am just wondering if there is a link.

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It could suggest a copycat killing. The timing was significant, it was

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the fifth anniversary of Breivik's killings in Norway. The Daily Mail

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has got how low can he go on the front page? Workers paid a pitiful

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30p an hour to make T-shirts that fund the Corbin campaign -- Jeremy

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Corbyn campaign. I thought actually more interestingly, it has a former

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MP, a former adviser to Gordon Brown saying if Jeremy Corbyn stays,

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making win a snap election if he has the bottle for it. Gordon Brown

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bottled out of a snap election apparently. What you make of this?

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It is Jeremy Corbyn bashing and he is very easy to bash. This is

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momentum that organise the T-shirts. If you are going to organise a

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political campaign, you need to be very careful about the source of the

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T-shirts. It appears they have not been careful and they were made in

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sweatshops. People were paid a ridiculously low amount of money to

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make them and if you are a socialist campaigner, then that is a very

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wrong thing to do. You might be more careful about that. I cannot believe

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that. There are so many targets to go for here. Is it an MI5

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conspiracy? Is it the establishment ganging up against T-shirt buyers?

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Just, as I say, he is such an easy target. I do not think you need to

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be as organised as having an MI5 conspiracy, anybody is able to do

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it. What you make of this? My American friend was quoting a Will

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Rogers joke, are you a member of an organised political party? No sir, I

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am a Democrat. But this is the official opposition. A degree of

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disorganisation is putting it rather diplomatically, the Labour Party is

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imploding and it is unclear what will happen next. There is this

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column here by Michael Duca who says it's Theresa May goes ahead and

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causes nap election assuming the Jeremy Corbyn stays as Labour

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leader, then we are looking at a Tory 1-party state add-in from item.

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That is the risk. I am not a member of the Labour Party, I have friends

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who are in despair who are long-term members and a think they are not

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creating a credible opposition. A slap election, Theresa May could go

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first collection, presumably it would be a landslide with the lack

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of opposition that we have, but actually Labour are doing it for

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themselves. They are destroying themselves already, it does not need

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a snap election. Apart from would lose a lot of seats at Parliament.

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We could wait a few years. I don't know if your friends in the Labour

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Party say that some of the people behind this do not care about

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Parliament. They think there is... I do not know how that works, the

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grassroots movement will do something for the country without

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going through Parliament. One has to ask what that will be. It is painful

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to have to say it, because in some ways when Jeremy Corbyn appeared on

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the scene back in September, I was among those who was prepared to give

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him the benefit of the doubt. I like a lot of what he said over many

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years. It is just impossible to really countenance the situation we

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have at the moment where he has completely lost the confidence of

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the Parliamentary party, he seems to be bunkered down, surrounded by a

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group of hard-core left-wing advisers. They are presiding over

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this increasingly poisonous climate of intimidation, misogyny,

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anti-Semitism. We had a brick thrown through a MPs window last week, this

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is a real crisis. It seems to be at an impasse, there does not seem to

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be an obvious way out for those MPs who want an electable Labour Party

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that does represent the millions of people who have suffered under

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austerities and through other Conservative policies. You wonder

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where rape threats against female Labour MPs fit into this picture of

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attacking austerities. It is interesting about the lack of power

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think that you were saying. Some of these momentum supporters do not

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really care about getting power. They see themselves as a pressure

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group. The interesting thing about that is the group have never had any

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power, but yet they brought about... It was because of Ukip that we had a

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referendum. -- interesting thing is that Ukip never had any paragraph.

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They say you can have a lot of power without being the majority party.

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The problem is Jeremy Corbyn is wonderful at preaching to the

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converted, going to meetings and been fated as a hero and so on. Yes,

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nobody really questions his integrity and his foresight on Iraq

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and also is of other issues, but that is not enough to get Labour

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into power. -- lots of other issues. You could see a situation where

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Theresa May at party conference in October, you have a slim majority of

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12, Jeremy Corbyn re-elected as leader of the Labour Party and you

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think if I had a majority of 100 and I have to negotiate with the French

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and Germans in particular in the EU, I need a new mandate, it could

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potentially be tempting to think of a way to go to the country. The

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mandate, she might require that, because she was put in posts and she

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would not feel like an elected Prime Minister. For that reason as well it

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may be tempting to go for a snap election which undoubtedly she would

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win if it was done. But the news changes so fast, you never know. We

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cannot underestimate Theresa May. No. Those who did are now Foreign

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Secretary. LAUGHTER Let's have a look at the Observer.

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This is fascinating, the EU considers migration emergency break

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the Britain despite resistance from the French. It is the Germans

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pushing this, pushing something which had it been available to David

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Cameron a few months ago might have changed the Brexit vote potentially.

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The source of this story is quite interesting, you have to read it

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quite carefully to decide who is saying the EU is considering this.

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It seems the British ministers are saying that which may be wishful

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thinking. This is all just conjecture. Like all of it was

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before the referendum. We have not delivered Ali that yet. -- delivered

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our U at. This is just so what we would like, we would all like that,

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but if we do get that we will so have to pay large amounts of money

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into the EU. -- delivered our letter. I think this is Boris's

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Little Dreamland. Our kites being flown? Yes, the EU leaders are so

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concerned about Brexit that they may be able to make concessions that we

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can limit immigration while still retaining access to the single

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market, that was the holy grail that was promised during the Brexit

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campaign by the leave side. Is it really going to happen? If that had

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been on the table three months earlier we may not have had a Brexit

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in the first place. The French will be extremely reluctant to make that

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sort of concession. Francois Hollande will face an election

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challenge from Marine Le Pen in the not too distant future. He needs to

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demonstrate that there is a price that Britain must pay for the way

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that we voted. Like you say, the piece has a very speculative

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flavour. The fear from all the other countries is if they give the

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concession to Britain is that everyone will go. There is a huge

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vested interest in not doing that. You cannot do that. It feels a

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phoney war face, we have had the result, but we have not pressed the

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button yet. The resort this toing and froing about what it may mean.

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We have the right wing papers who have cheered Brexit, all giving us

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these uplifting stories about how there will not be any economic

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damage and Boris will deliver everything he has promised. Comes

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six months' time, things could be looking weak. Once they sit around a

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table and say this is just conjecture. Let's cheer everyone up

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by moving onto American politics! LAUGHTER

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This is the Sunday Times, he sneers, styles and he is giving Hillary a

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real fight. His wife's CV begins to look a bit ragged. Clinton puts

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faith in... Where'd you want to begin with this? His speech there is

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a lot of resemblance to a lot of the stuff that was said in the Brexit

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campaign about making America great again and getting control back and

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all of that. All of that smacks of an juicy nobody thought that we

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would go the Brexit and we did. -- all of that smacks of, nobody

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thought that we would go for Brexit and we did. I am very fearful, a

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friend of mine in America said you guys are quite intelligent in

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Britain, what will happen in America? E could win. They friend of

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mine who is a pollster pointed out that many of the people who wanted

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to vote for Brexit were undercounted. -- he could win. The

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possibility is many trump voters are simply also being undercounted. He

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has been underestimated. How many normal people would admit that they

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support him? That is a large section of people. He could poll a lot

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better than the opinion polls suggest. Even now he is only 2.7%

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behind Clinton. That is too close for comfort. The Washington Post

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editorial board wrote a scathing editorial they few days ago talking

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about Donald Trump is a threat to American democracy and I do not

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think we can underestimate quite how calamitous it could be, not just the

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US, but the West if Donald Trump wins the presidency. He is described

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by people who know him very well as a sociopath. There is no doubt about

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that. The idea that he will walk into the White House come November,

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I find it absolutely to find. Maybe it is another establishment plot.

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The serious point here is that some people think any negative publicity,

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the stuff about plagiarising his speech or Melania, his supermodel

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wife and her CV, who cares it is the establishment ganging up on our

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guide. This is the antiestablishment thing again, with Brexit it was like

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a kick in the teeth. It may be a protest thing and it will backfire

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hard. In fairness in both the US and the UK there is a problem with the

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status quo. There are swathes of America who have been left behind by

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neoliberal globalisation and the same thing applies in Britain. The

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one positive out of Brexit was that it did give us all a big kick and

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say hang on a minute, there are a hell of a lot of people who are

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feeling left behind and they do not feel that it is fair that London has

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become a prosperous metropolis while greats raves of the country have

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effectively been abandoned. -- great swathes of the country. The Sunday

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Mirror, the Dover story. The anything about this story is we know

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when the school holidays are, we know when British people head to the

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coast. -- the only thing. It is this weekend. It is unfortunately

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predictable. Something that on a government levels should have been

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done. It is predictable, but because security has been ramped up because

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of events in Paris,... Nice, I think we will find it harder to travel

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everywhere for a while while we are living in these dangerous times.

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That is part of it, the security checks are taking longer and the

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other part is there is a massive amount of understaffing. There was

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one person checking coaches, it took them 40 minutes to check each coach.

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Would I be flying into the arms of conspiracy theory if I say that the

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French are not just allowing us to deliberately... Revenge for Brexit?

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Now you want to come on holiday? That may be a conspiracy theory, but

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most viewers may be thinking there may be something in that. It is an

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establishment plot, we finally discovered it!

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Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrows front pages every

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evening at 1030 and 1130 here on BBC News.

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