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Now it is time for The Papers With Gavin Esler.

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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are Melanie Eusebe who is the founder of

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Black British Business Awards and Political Editor of the Sun

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The Observer reports that a former pensions minister believes

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the triple-lock protection for state pensions should be dropped

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The Sunday Express leads on the same story, claiming millions of people

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face a cut to their retirement income if the Government

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The Sunday Telegraph says Theresa May will pledge to fight

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modern slavery, which she'll call a 'barbaric evil'.

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It also reports on the risks to holidaymakers in Florida

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The Sunday Times says prominent campaigners to remain in the EU

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and former cabinet ministers are in line for knighthoods

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in David Cameron's resignation honours list.

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The paper also reveals that at least four active terror plots

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inside the UK are being investigated by the police.

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The Mail on Sunday says women who have sex changes on the NHS

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are being given free fertility treatment so they can have babies

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after they become men. And the Sunday Mirror reports

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that the BBC will still face legal action from Sir Cliff Richard,

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despite a promise to play his new records.

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Let's begin with the pension story. The Observer, too costly says

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Baroness Altman. A secret plan to cut your pension. There is no more

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sensitive issue for many people in this country than whether they can

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retire into old age with a bit of cash. There are 30 million

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pensioners in this country all of whom vote. Older people tend to

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vote, as we saw in the referendum. It is an important political issue.

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The question is whether the government keeps the triple lock.

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For viewers who do not remember it, it rises in line with either

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inflation, wages or 2.5%, whichever is the highest. At the moment we

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have zero inflation, wages are stagnating and pensioners are

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getting a 2.5% pay rise every year effectively. A pensioner now will be

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?10 a week better off than they would have been in 2010. Do we

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continue to keep this lucrative system in place or drop it to a

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double lock, keeping it in line only with wages and inflation? Baroness

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Altman is saying we cannot afford it, as a country, that is her view.

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I agree with her. There is only so much money in the pot and we can

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only give money in the pot. Having a triple lock pension feature, the

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2.5% is what we are looking at, when we know there is zero inflation and

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when we know what is happening with all the economies in the world and

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comparatively across the planet, very few western democracies have a

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triple lock feature in their pensions. I understand why they

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would revisit it because it is costing the economy money where

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there is none. I think they are prepping us. They say there are no

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plans. David Cameron in the run to the 2015 elections said they would

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not scrap the triple lock. That effectively ties in Theresa May to

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stick to that. If she has another election then of course... You must

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come across this in your business life, a lot of young people feel

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that the odds are stacked against them, they do not have the

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opportunities that the older generation has. But it is not as if

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we can divide people up like that. If there is only so much money the

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government can spend, they think they should spend it on people under

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the age of five to give them a good start in life. Some people think

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that, but I do not think we should go into that territory because of

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the double lock or the triple lock. The 2.5% is this random figure

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almost that we may be held accountable to. We are saying moved

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down to the double lock, which is in line with some of the most

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progressive democracies on our planet. The Sunday Times has got the

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scoop, reveal, Cameron's honours for cronies. We can debate the honours

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system, but resignation honours is a chance for the Prime Minister to

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reward people he thinks have done a good job for him and his government.

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It is a bog-standard move when a Prime Minister resigns. They give an

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honours list. But this is a good story because we get to know who he

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has nominated and there are 48 people on there. What strikes me is

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a lot of them is it seems to be a reward for failure. The people who

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are getting them are those who lead the remain campaign and the

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referendum and they will get away with peerages. Four Cabinet

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ministers were on the remain campaign who will be honoured. Jack

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Straw, the former Labour Home Secretary, who led the remain

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campaign, will be honoured as well. People who donated money to the

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remain campaign as well, a great reward for failure. Every child will

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get a prize. It is two knighthoods, a few dames, nine CBEs, and some of

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the figures they are jiggling around, ?1.6 contribution.

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Unfortunately when you get a story like this it throws the whole

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honours system into question. The last time there was a scoop like

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this it was 13 years ago and it was for the people who declined their

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peerages. I understand why they would do that. When you see

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something like this and there is no validation and explanation, it

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throws the whole system into question. That is a fair point. It

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gives other newspapers the chance to reopen this big issue. Who are these

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people and why do we elevate them to the House of Lords? This has always

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been a burning issue. As Peter Hennessy said in the times, even

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though it is in the Prime Minister's if, it has to go through the

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scrutiny process. But what is interesting is this lady here,

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Isabel Spiderman, David Cameron's wide's stylist, she is in the list.

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George Osborne, the former Chancellor, who was brutally sacked

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and gave all those scare stories about revenge budgets and cuts, he

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is to be given a companion are. I take it you are not saying the

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stylist has been rewarded for failure? No, she always looks good.

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The Sunday Telegraph, mission to end the evil of slavery. This is an

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interesting story, a three pronged strategy to reveal the key human

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rights issue of our time. When you hear prosecutions of these stories,

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it is the abysmal treatment of some people in our country, many brought

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here on documented and treated as modern-day slaves. It is a personal

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crusade for Theresa May. It is a year ago today that she launched the

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modern slavery crackdown and now she is backing it up with the task

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force, ?33 million of extra funding. The number of reports in the last

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year has gone up, 289 prosecutions, 40% up on the previous year. She

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thinks this is one of the biggest scandals of modern society. Between

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10000 and 30,000 people living as slaves in this country, which is

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astonishing for the 21st century. People in male buyers... I thought

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that was a shocking thing, things like this have been going on under

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our noses and we are not aware of it. Many people go to nail buyers

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and car washes, many of which are properly run, but some of them are

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not. -- nail buyers. She is increasing the pressure on our

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police force and task force, said even though there has been an

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increase in reported cases, there are a few areas that did not report

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cases. They said she was saying this is one of the greatest injustices of

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our time, so it is not only looking at the 13,000 in Britain, but

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looking at the origin countries and saying, how did they get here and

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what is happening? Let's move on to American politics which gives us a

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chance to talk about Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. The Telegraph has

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got five ways and 100 days that could put Donald Trump into the

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White House. Now. You are North American from a Canadian background.

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For a lot of people I have adopted, they are not entirely happy with

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their choice in this election. Some people really dislike Hillary

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Clinton and some people really dislike Donald Trump and some people

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really dislike both of them. Yes, I don't... Hillary Clinton is

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experienced, she knows the job, she is the safe choice and as we have

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seen in our recent history, people might not be ready for that safe

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choice any more and this is one of the few opportunities they get to

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engage with the political system and that is why we see the rise of

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Donald Trump which no one could have anticipated. These next 100 days,

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quite frankly I have learned the hard way to look at my own politics,

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by being here in this country, so let's see what happens. It will be a

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roller-coaster, but I cannot predict what will happen. There are so many

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people who do not like either camp, so many groups as well, the youth

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who have not been engaged. The African-American community have not

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been engaged by either as well. We have no idea where this vote will

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swing, so I will be interested to see what the result is. If you set a

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couple of weeks ago that one presidential candidate would

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encourage publicly the rations to hack the other presidential

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candidate, everybody would have thought you were mad, but that is

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what has happened and it seems to go on like this Day after day. The

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piece in the Telegraph is interesting, it raises the spectre

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of Donald Trump winning. He is targeting the Democrats who favoured

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Bernie Sanders and those who do not like Hillary Clinton and he is

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sending text messages which are popping up on their telephones with

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a 15 second video. He is going to these areas where people back Bernie

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Sanders. He is going to go to the gun lobby areas, one in three

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Americans has a gun and there are lots of Democrats among them and he

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is going to appeal to them and try to cash in on the dislike of Hillary

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Clinton among Democrats. The other thing I noticed this week. You are

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right, Hillary Clinton has got great experience, but that has been used

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as a stick to beat her with. She is part of the problem, she has been in

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the system for 25 years. What ever you think of the content he says,

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Donald Trump engages with the emotions of people, make the country

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being great again, although you might ask when it ceased to great.

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You are right about that. It is only because of my own turmoil, not

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looking at party politics, I would lean towards him as well. It is my

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own time I'll, through the last two weeks and my own politics. It is

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quite strategic as well and everyone has assumed that Hillary Clinton

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will win. She was against Barack Obama a few years ago. Donald Trump

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is targeting some of the communities that the Democrats have not even

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attempted to touch, whether through social media or indirect campaigns.

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There is a lot of echo in this country again, through the Brexit

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campaign and Bernie Sanders fired up many Democrats who were not touch

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before by politics. It is an anti-politics move which fed into

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the rise of and Nigel Farage. People like somebody who is not like the

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rest of them and the problem Hillary Clinton has, which is what David

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Cameron and Tony Blair had, is baked out all the same. They are good

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politicians generally. Somebody like Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and

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Donald Trump appealed to those who are fed up with politicians.

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Disenfranchisement is so great in whole swathes of the country that I

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am scared how they are going to vote. We do not know how they will

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boat. It is the same as here, it will hit as in the chin. Only 100

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days. September the 26th is the first presidential debate, that will

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be a right ding-dong. How do you prepare Hillary Clinton for that?

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I thought this was a joke rape story, JK Rowling casts a new spell.

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This is the Harry Potter play, the next instalment, people say it has

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been brilliantly written. I am a JK Rowling super fan. I have been in

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different parts of the world when her books have come out and coming

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off an aeroplane I would go straight to the book store and by hobo. I am

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so happy. Changing a story from a book to a screen or a play is very

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different and difficult and for it to be well received, I am so proud

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of her and her shoes are fantastic! There is something in the plotline

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about shoes with a wing on. And she is wearing a ring with a snake on it

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which is the slogan for a slithering house. You must be a fan. It is five

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and half hours which is the length of a Wagner opera. I could sit

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through a five and half hour Wagner opera, but I do not know if the kid

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is good. I do not know if the parents are ready to sit through

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that, it is an incredibly long time. Some kids were queueing up and some

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sleep overnight for the JK Rowling books and you could see them in

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King's Cross station as well. Have you see Die Zeit Procom envelope?

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They will be OK, if it is well written, she will have them. The

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appeal is it is a great story, the idea of magic and wizards and it is

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about good and evil and all those great things about good and evil.

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She immerses you in a world, we are immersed in a world that we could

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not even possibly imagine. That is the attraction of Game Of Thrones,

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new words and you concepts and that is fantastic. On that note we

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believe it there. There is a look at the papers at 10:30pm and 11:30pm

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in Texas if you have just joined us. Officials in Austin in Texas say

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