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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are business academic, Melanie Eusebe, and David Williams,

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Political Editor of Wales Online and The Western Mail.

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Good evening and thank you for being with us.

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The Daily Mail leads with a story on grammar schools.

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The front page article is dedicated to Theresa May's own

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The same story on the The Daily Telegraph front page, together

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with the iconic image of a naked girls running away from

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The image from 1972 and the current controversy with Facebook taking it

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It is one of the most iconic pictures in war photography.

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The newspaper calls Facebook an "anti-social network" even though

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the photo was reinstated after a global outcry.

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The Express writes about West Midlands police constable

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provoking anger after suggesting that officers could wear burkas.

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The Times reports that the trade secretary Liam Fox has made an

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attack on UK business leaders. He says the previous success has made

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them "Lazy and fat" according to the Times. They lead on the second

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accuser demanding to re-examine the sex abuse case involving Sir Cliff

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Richard. Spokesmen for the singer say a quote from cliff reaffirms his

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innocence. We will start with the Daily Mail

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and they have the story about the grammar schools which has dominated

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the stories for two or three days. This is particularly Theresa May's

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personal depth of grammar schools -- personal debt. She was educated for

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a while in a grammar school. The intent is to fix the apparent

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unfairness in the school system today. I love to measure it by the

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intent. However, there has been an outcry. This has been the most

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controversial outcry since she has come into Government.

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In a way, it has been her first big domestic policy pronouncement and it

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has been controversial. I know it has. If you are going to

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pick something which will inflame tensions in every direction, this is

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the perfect issue. The Government only has a majority of 12 and yet

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there is deep unease in the conservative ranks. Nicky Morgan is

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raising deep concerns... The former Education Secretary. She

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is quoted in one of the papers tomorrow saying it is we heard -- it

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is weird. That is quite a condemnation.

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That has probably done more to unify Labour ranks than anyone on the

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opposition benches in weeks. Well it's break a popular chord with

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the public and voters? There are few things lacking about

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it. It seems to have come out of left field. One of the claims people

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make is that, where is the mandate for this? It was not in the

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manifesto so where did it come from? Number two, where is the data? If we

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look at other countries, we do not necessarily know for certain at

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grammar schools, will aid fixed in equity and unfairness in our school

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system? Without that, it feels like it has come out of left field and I

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am not sure how it will be received by the general public.

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David, you enter a grammar school in Northern Ireland when there are a

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lot of grammar schools. Yes, it is a part of the system. I

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went to a grammar school there. I don't think I have done an exam

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since the age of 11 when I felt such terror. It was as if life would be

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determined by what would happen in the exam.

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Does it work in Northern Ireland, that system?

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The system used to be pretty much written in the 1950s and early

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1960s. It has been shaken up and everyone of my generation says it is

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a mess. There is a deep sense that it is neither fish nor fowl.

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You talked about the terror of doing the 11 plus, which I failed, so you

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have one on me there. The Mail asked out of interest, about the 11 plus,

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they have given 11 plus questions. Let us ask the viewers and you guys

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if you wish to take part. I will ask you one of the questions from the

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English section because we were doing this in the office and people

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were filling miserably. Question two, and I will come back at the

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very end of this paper review. If you watch at home, this is your

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question. Which of these four words is closest in meaning to Cingular?

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It is a multiple-choice answer. Which of these words is closest in

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meaning to Cingular? Is it a, strange? B, loud, C, quiet, D,

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lonely. Which of those words is closest in meaning to singular?

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Strange, loud, quiet or a lonely? That is your starter for ten and I

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will come back at the end for an answer. Embarrassing if you do not

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know. Let us get onto the Express, away from grammar schools. This is

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fury at police in burqas. The Express say that the West Midlands

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Chief Constable has been widely condemned by suggesting police

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officers could wear a burqas. Where do you stand?

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Let's be clear. All he said was that, I am not going to rule it out.

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Yes. That is all he said and there has

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not been an instance of a woman who has applied wearing a burqa. He is

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just saying, let us not rule it out right now. But the response is

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quite... Quite uniformly no in this article. They said they went to the

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Muslim Council of Britain and said it would be against female officers

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wearing full face burqas. Not necessarily just race or religion

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-based outcry by it, you know what? Women who are wearing burqas

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probably would not want to apply to the police in the first place. I

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agree with Mr Thomson. He said, in the instance that it may occur, let

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us not just say no. Let's talk about it.

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Let's think about it and deal with the issue when it comes up.

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The Police Federation spokesman said, any piece of uniform must be

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fit for purpose and not obstruct or hinder an officer in carrying out

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normal duties. Do you think the burqa would hinder a police officer

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from their duties? One example somebody raises in this

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interrogation situation is good to see a person's face? Unimaginable.

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In some ways, the Chief Constable is probable sitting right now thinking,

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what did I say? However, the force is apparently on a drive to recruit

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800 officers of which they went 30% to be from ethnic minorities. If you

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are looking to get a massive storm of publicity, it has been

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successful. You could imagine somebody applying

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to the police and saying, I would like to wear a burqa.

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Yes, exactly it is not inconceivable. If we go back to our

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recent history. In several countries, we used to have an outcry

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or protest around Sikh officers being allowed to wear turbans and be

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part of the force. What is needed in the capability of a police officer

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and police staff? If it means my face needs to be visible in regards

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to interrogation or temerity relations, let's talk about it.

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That should be the only criteria? Yes, what is the core capability?

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Will be burqa remind us from performing that job.

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You are just back from holiday on the continent, right? There is a

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story in the Guardian you might be interested in which is an end to

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these free travel in Europe, potentially, according to the

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Guardian. -- visa - free travel in Europe.

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Did not make much of it because I thought, is it news?

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It is in a newspaper, it must be! Surprise, surprise. That is

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happening everywhere else in the world. Being a joint Canadian and

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United Kingdom citizen, just because I am part of Canada, I know I can

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travel for free into the US. But as a UK citizen, I would have to get a

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Visa. It is a form of prescreening so that we know who is crossing

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borders. And it is happening everywhere else in the world, so it

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is a consequence of the vote we have taken that we are adhering to.

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Surprise, surprise. It is not a huge deal.

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The font does not need to be so big on that story.

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Not as big a story is the grammar school story which they relegated to

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second story. What do you make of the visa- free travel, an end that?

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Really waking up to the fact that Brexit is pulling at the string at

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the jumper of Europe. No one knows how this will unravel.

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A very good analogy. And the Telegraph, that is also on the whole

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Brexit theme. They have a story saying that Brussels believes it can

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make Britain beg. Britain says there Europe editor has become completely

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lost since the Brexit vote, according to European Commission

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officials. It can eventually be expected to plead for a deal when it

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realises the wickets of its position at the negotiating table. Is that a

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likely scenario? -- when it realises the weakness of its position.

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Again, I think it is more a surprise, surprise a story for me.

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We... It seems quite... In terms of making Britain beg... Again, going

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back to our story in regards to the visa required for travel, this is

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the... What did we think was going to happen? We are splitting apart

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from the rest of the EU. People want to move on, whether you voted yes or

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no Mac. -- whether you voted yes or no. I need to hear the context of

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the comments. What we do know is once article 50

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is triggered there are a two years of negotiations, whether that

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includes begging or making everybody beg...

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There is a narrative building of a European Commission which is trying

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to tell other countries, don't even think of negotiating with Britain a

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separate trades deal if you want one with us. It is like a Mafia jungle

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situation. They do not want other countries to

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do their own version of Brexit. It is in their interest to make it not

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too easy. They cannot make it too easy. But we

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do have to be careful in... Right now, no one has done anything and

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there is a lot of talk. I think there is a time when we have two is

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Dart talking and I understand everyone, particularly the EU is

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saying... Look, we have a vote, and even though you were not well

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prepared, these are the consequences. Let's keep it moving.

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We do not want the UK to be able to negotiate in advanced trade terms

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with other countries. Of course, because we are still united in a

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certain sense, it will impact the continent.

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OK... It is a tough situation.

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The Telegraph had this picture which is such an iconic picture from

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Vietnam. Many people will be familiar with this back from 1972

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and the napalm attack on a young girl, naked, running away from the

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napalm attack. The row is that Facebook banned it or wanted it

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pixilated. There was a protest against them and is now Facebook

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have backed down. What do you make of this? It is one of the most

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famous examples of Great War photography ever, is it not?

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Yes, this is the image photojournalists regard as one of

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the defining images where it turned popular opinion conclusively, in

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many areas. Against the war, it was turned. The idea that napalm was

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being dropped and had this effect on innocent people. It shipped foreign

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and domestic policy. Are Facebook showing their

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ignorance? They do not understand the difference between a picture

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like that and is a great historic importance and just a naked picture

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of a girl? 99% of the stories Facebook find

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themselves in fronting as when they shouted at for not taking things

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down. You can see why they would have a blanket policy that

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occasionally leads the situation -- to this type of situation. You can

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feel an element of sympathy. Do you feel like that?

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I think it is about how you monitor and legislate against intent. It is

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difficult, with the amount of users Facebook has on its platform, there

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has to be some sort of blanket protection against, you know, to

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protect vulnerable parts of our population, including children. I

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understand why, initially, there would be a ban. But once the Prime

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Minister of Norway says, wait a minute, what are you doing here?

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Then they backed down. And reasonably quickly.

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On the other hand, we do know that neither is Facebook or Twitter or

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other social media platforms... They could be taking more activity in

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terms of legislation and monitoring inappropriate content. At the end of

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the day, I think that with the technology, it is not sophisticated

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enough to measure what is in peoplepeople's heart.

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This image of photojournalism, right now, run the world lots of people

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are not official journalists but just civilians who happen to have

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camera phones. If they take the equivalent picture that is in front

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of them, how is that going to be adjudicated?

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A word about the Times. An interesting front putting Liam Fox,

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trade Secretary, caught in an off-guard moment according to the

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Times. Making an attack on British business leaders, saying they are

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too lazy and fat. Apparently...

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He will not make friends with that kind of comment.

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There is some suggestion that what is at play here is... There is a

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debate about post-Brexit Britain. Do we want to do everything we can to

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stay in the single market? We know how it works and it is cosy and

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safe. There will be plenty challenges but the rules of the game

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are understood. There are the First Ministers of parts of the UK

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including Wales saying, essential to stay in. Then there are the

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buccaneering 's free-market people who hate any idea of that and love

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the idea of Britain going it alone on the ocean waves. The perception

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is that, perhaps, Liam Fox is closer to that.

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And he says people need to stop thinking about exporting as an

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opportunity and start thinking that it is a duty. That is the thought of

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Liam Fox. Let's take you back to the 11-Plus quiz, which I know our

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viewers have all done very well with our little quiz. One question. Which

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of these words is closest in meaning to singular? Strange, loud, quite a

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lonely? I was hoping you had forgot.

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As a man who... I said lonely.

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You said lonely? OK. I am leaning in the same direction.

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OK, you think lonely as well. OK. The answer, I'm afraid, because you

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passed your 11-Plus but would have filled this one, it is strange.

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Strange is the word that is closest in meaning to singular. A single

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man, a single woman... That is difficult. A singular

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instance would be... A tricky one at age 11. You both

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failed but you passed the discussion on The Papers.

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Don't forget all the front pages are online on the BBC News website

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where you can read a detailed review of the papers.

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It's all there for you - 7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -

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with each night's edition of The Papers being posted

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on the page shortly after we've finished.

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Thank you, Melanie Eusebe and David Williams.

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