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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


With me are business academic, Melanie Eusebe, and David Williams,


Political Editor of Wales Online and The Western Mail.


Good evening and thank you for being with us.


The Daily Mail leads with a story on grammar schools.


The front page article is dedicated to Theresa May's own


The same story on the The Daily Telegraph front page, together


with the iconic image of a naked girls running away from


The image from 1972 and the current controversy with Facebook taking it


It is one of the most iconic pictures in war photography.


The newspaper calls Facebook an "anti-social network" even though


the photo was reinstated after a global outcry.


The Express writes about West Midlands police constable


provoking anger after suggesting that officers could wear burkas.


The Times reports that the trade secretary Liam Fox has made an


attack on UK business leaders. He says the previous success has made


them "Lazy and fat" according to the Times. They lead on the second


accuser demanding to re-examine the sex abuse case involving Sir Cliff


Richard. Spokesmen for the singer say a quote from cliff reaffirms his


innocence. We will start with the Daily Mail


and they have the story about the grammar schools which has dominated


the stories for two or three days. This is particularly Theresa May's


personal depth of grammar schools -- personal debt. She was educated for


a while in a grammar school. The intent is to fix the apparent


unfairness in the school system today. I love to measure it by the


intent. However, there has been an outcry. This has been the most


controversial outcry since she has come into Government.


In a way, it has been her first big domestic policy pronouncement and it


has been controversial. I know it has. If you are going to


pick something which will inflame tensions in every direction, this is


the perfect issue. The Government only has a majority of 12 and yet


there is deep unease in the conservative ranks. Nicky Morgan is


raising deep concerns... The former Education Secretary. She


is quoted in one of the papers tomorrow saying it is we heard -- it


is weird. That is quite a condemnation.


That has probably done more to unify Labour ranks than anyone on the


opposition benches in weeks. Well it's break a popular chord with


the public and voters? There are few things lacking about


it. It seems to have come out of left field. One of the claims people


make is that, where is the mandate for this? It was not in the


manifesto so where did it come from? Number two, where is the data? If we


look at other countries, we do not necessarily know for certain at


grammar schools, will aid fixed in equity and unfairness in our school


system? Without that, it feels like it has come out of left field and I


am not sure how it will be received by the general public.


David, you enter a grammar school in Northern Ireland when there are a


lot of grammar schools. Yes, it is a part of the system. I


went to a grammar school there. I don't think I have done an exam


since the age of 11 when I felt such terror. It was as if life would be


determined by what would happen in the exam.


Does it work in Northern Ireland, that system?


The system used to be pretty much written in the 1950s and early


1960s. It has been shaken up and everyone of my generation says it is


a mess. There is a deep sense that it is neither fish nor fowl.


You talked about the terror of doing the 11 plus, which I failed, so you


have one on me there. The Mail asked out of interest, about the 11 plus,


they have given 11 plus questions. Let us ask the viewers and you guys


if you wish to take part. I will ask you one of the questions from the


English section because we were doing this in the office and people


were filling miserably. Question two, and I will come back at the


very end of this paper review. If you watch at home, this is your


question. Which of these four words is closest in meaning to Cingular?


It is a multiple-choice answer. Which of these words is closest in


meaning to Cingular? Is it a, strange? B, loud, C, quiet, D,


lonely. Which of those words is closest in meaning to singular?


Strange, loud, quiet or a lonely? That is your starter for ten and I


will come back at the end for an answer. Embarrassing if you do not


know. Let us get onto the Express, away from grammar schools. This is


fury at police in burqas. The Express say that the West Midlands


Chief Constable has been widely condemned by suggesting police


officers could wear a burqas. Where do you stand?


Let's be clear. All he said was that, I am not going to rule it out.


Yes. That is all he said and there has


not been an instance of a woman who has applied wearing a burqa. He is


just saying, let us not rule it out right now. But the response is


quite... Quite uniformly no in this article. They said they went to the


Muslim Council of Britain and said it would be against female officers


wearing full face burqas. Not necessarily just race or religion


-based outcry by it, you know what? Women who are wearing burqas


probably would not want to apply to the police in the first place. I


agree with Mr Thomson. He said, in the instance that it may occur, let


us not just say no. Let's talk about it.


Let's think about it and deal with the issue when it comes up.


The Police Federation spokesman said, any piece of uniform must be


fit for purpose and not obstruct or hinder an officer in carrying out


normal duties. Do you think the burqa would hinder a police officer


from their duties? One example somebody raises in this


interrogation situation is good to see a person's face? Unimaginable.


In some ways, the Chief Constable is probable sitting right now thinking,


what did I say? However, the force is apparently on a drive to recruit


800 officers of which they went 30% to be from ethnic minorities. If you


are looking to get a massive storm of publicity, it has been


successful. You could imagine somebody applying


to the police and saying, I would like to wear a burqa.


Yes, exactly it is not inconceivable. If we go back to our


recent history. In several countries, we used to have an outcry


or protest around Sikh officers being allowed to wear turbans and be


part of the force. What is needed in the capability of a police officer


and police staff? If it means my face needs to be visible in regards


to interrogation or temerity relations, let's talk about it.


That should be the only criteria? Yes, what is the core capability?


Will be burqa remind us from performing that job.


You are just back from holiday on the continent, right? There is a


story in the Guardian you might be interested in which is an end to


these free travel in Europe, potentially, according to the


Guardian. -- visa - free travel in Europe.


Did not make much of it because I thought, is it news?


It is in a newspaper, it must be! Surprise, surprise. That is


happening everywhere else in the world. Being a joint Canadian and


United Kingdom citizen, just because I am part of Canada, I know I can


travel for free into the US. But as a UK citizen, I would have to get a


Visa. It is a form of prescreening so that we know who is crossing


borders. And it is happening everywhere else in the world, so it


is a consequence of the vote we have taken that we are adhering to.


Surprise, surprise. It is not a huge deal.


The font does not need to be so big on that story.


Not as big a story is the grammar school story which they relegated to


second story. What do you make of the visa- free travel, an end that?


Really waking up to the fact that Brexit is pulling at the string at


the jumper of Europe. No one knows how this will unravel.


A very good analogy. And the Telegraph, that is also on the whole


Brexit theme. They have a story saying that Brussels believes it can


make Britain beg. Britain says there Europe editor has become completely


lost since the Brexit vote, according to European Commission


officials. It can eventually be expected to plead for a deal when it


realises the wickets of its position at the negotiating table. Is that a


likely scenario? -- when it realises the weakness of its position.


Again, I think it is more a surprise, surprise a story for me.


We... It seems quite... In terms of making Britain beg... Again, going


back to our story in regards to the visa required for travel, this is


the... What did we think was going to happen? We are splitting apart


from the rest of the EU. People want to move on, whether you voted yes or


no Mac. -- whether you voted yes or no. I need to hear the context of


the comments. What we do know is once article 50


is triggered there are a two years of negotiations, whether that


includes begging or making everybody beg...


There is a narrative building of a European Commission which is trying


to tell other countries, don't even think of negotiating with Britain a


separate trades deal if you want one with us. It is like a Mafia jungle


situation. They do not want other countries to


do their own version of Brexit. It is in their interest to make it not


too easy. They cannot make it too easy. But we


do have to be careful in... Right now, no one has done anything and


there is a lot of talk. I think there is a time when we have two is


Dart talking and I understand everyone, particularly the EU is


saying... Look, we have a vote, and even though you were not well


prepared, these are the consequences. Let's keep it moving.


We do not want the UK to be able to negotiate in advanced trade terms


with other countries. Of course, because we are still united in a


certain sense, it will impact the continent.


OK... It is a tough situation.


The Telegraph had this picture which is such an iconic picture from


Vietnam. Many people will be familiar with this back from 1972


and the napalm attack on a young girl, naked, running away from the


napalm attack. The row is that Facebook banned it or wanted it


pixilated. There was a protest against them and is now Facebook


have backed down. What do you make of this? It is one of the most


famous examples of Great War photography ever, is it not?


Yes, this is the image photojournalists regard as one of


the defining images where it turned popular opinion conclusively, in


many areas. Against the war, it was turned. The idea that napalm was


being dropped and had this effect on innocent people. It shipped foreign


and domestic policy. Are Facebook showing their


ignorance? They do not understand the difference between a picture


like that and is a great historic importance and just a naked picture


of a girl? 99% of the stories Facebook find


themselves in fronting as when they shouted at for not taking things


down. You can see why they would have a blanket policy that


occasionally leads the situation -- to this type of situation. You can


feel an element of sympathy. Do you feel like that?


I think it is about how you monitor and legislate against intent. It is


difficult, with the amount of users Facebook has on its platform, there


has to be some sort of blanket protection against, you know, to


protect vulnerable parts of our population, including children. I


understand why, initially, there would be a ban. But once the Prime


Minister of Norway says, wait a minute, what are you doing here?


Then they backed down. And reasonably quickly.


On the other hand, we do know that neither is Facebook or Twitter or


other social media platforms... They could be taking more activity in


terms of legislation and monitoring inappropriate content. At the end of


the day, I think that with the technology, it is not sophisticated


enough to measure what is in peoplepeople's heart.


This image of photojournalism, right now, run the world lots of people


are not official journalists but just civilians who happen to have


camera phones. If they take the equivalent picture that is in front


of them, how is that going to be adjudicated?


A word about the Times. An interesting front putting Liam Fox,


trade Secretary, caught in an off-guard moment according to the


Times. Making an attack on British business leaders, saying they are


too lazy and fat. Apparently...


He will not make friends with that kind of comment.


There is some suggestion that what is at play here is... There is a


debate about post-Brexit Britain. Do we want to do everything we can to


stay in the single market? We know how it works and it is cosy and


safe. There will be plenty challenges but the rules of the game


are understood. There are the First Ministers of parts of the UK


including Wales saying, essential to stay in. Then there are the


buccaneering 's free-market people who hate any idea of that and love


the idea of Britain going it alone on the ocean waves. The perception


is that, perhaps, Liam Fox is closer to that.


And he says people need to stop thinking about exporting as an


opportunity and start thinking that it is a duty. That is the thought of


Liam Fox. Let's take you back to the 11-Plus quiz, which I know our


viewers have all done very well with our little quiz. One question. Which


of these words is closest in meaning to singular? Strange, loud, quite a


lonely? I was hoping you had forgot.


As a man who... I said lonely.


You said lonely? OK. I am leaning in the same direction.


OK, you think lonely as well. OK. The answer, I'm afraid, because you


passed your 11-Plus but would have filled this one, it is strange.


Strange is the word that is closest in meaning to singular. A single


man, a single woman... That is difficult. A singular


instance would be... A tricky one at age 11. You both


failed but you passed the discussion on The Papers.


Don't forget all the front pages are online on the BBC News website


where you can read a detailed review of the papers.


It's all there for you - 7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -


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on the page shortly after we've finished.


Thank you, Melanie Eusebe and David Williams.


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