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Now on BBC News here's Luquessa with The Papers.

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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are Matt Chorley, Editor of the Times Red Box

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and Prashant Rao, Deputy Business Editor

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The Observer leads with a warning about the health of the NHS -

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top bosses saying it's on the brink of collapse.

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Meanwhile, British traditions are under threat

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A government review will point the finger at growing ethnic

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Own your own home for 900 pounds because of the Help to Buy scheme,

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that's the main headline on the Sunday Express.

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The Mail on Sunday carries an exclusive interview with the wife

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of the Labour MP Keith Vaz who has said that she will forgive him after

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claims he paid for the services of two male escorts.

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Plans for new grammar schools are being drawn up by councils

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following yesterday's announcement by the Prime Minister,

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that's the front page of the Sunday Times.

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While the Independent dedicates its front page

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to the US-Russia deal on Syria, the ceasefire is due to come

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Good morning to you both. Where are we starting? The papers are full of

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grammar schools after the Prime Minister's speech on Sunday. The

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Sunday Times splashes on the idea that councils are going to -- to

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open grammar schools in Kent, Essex, Maidenhead, Northamptonshire, faces

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that have already got some selection. They are the ones who are

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rushing to open them. I think what is interesting is the people... You

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think it is good? I think it feels more like something that she is

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doing to draw a line under why she is a different Prime Minister to

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David Cameron. David Cameron had a big row in the Tory party in 2007

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where he said under him, he was not going to go back to the days of

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grammar schools. This seems like a bit of red meat for the traditional

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Tory right, it is very popular with the people it is popular with. It

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could prove to be unpopular they are with the people who do not like it.

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The Observer says that private schools are predicted that they will

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get the boost from this because middle-class parents who miss out on

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grammar schools will rush to send their children to private school.

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Sticking with the front of the times, you have had a different

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schooling education, what do you think about this in Britain? Do you

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think it will work these days? It is hard to tell, because the evidence

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certainly seems to suggest that the success of grammar schools is mixed

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depending on what your goals are. If your goals are to get poor children

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into grammar schools, the evidence does not seem to, it is quite

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unclear on whether it is successful. The Green paper comes out tomorrow

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with Justine Greening the Education Secretary which seems they will try

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to combat that perception because the Sunday Times says that it is

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going to be talking about, Private schools will have two sponsored

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state schools, they will lose their tax breaks. As you say, it is really

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trying to paint this as an issue that Theresa May is good. Whether it

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is good for Britain is a hard thing to tell because it is a complicated

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proposal. It seems like a political proposal. The problem is, the

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evidence seems to show, I interviewed someone yesterday he

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said that the kid to get into the grammar schools it helps, but it

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does not help social mobility all over, because if you pick winners,

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there will have to be losers. Theresa May said she wanted every

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child to have the education she had, but you cannot have everyone at a

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grammar school, because then they are just, handsets. --

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comprehensives. We have had so many stories saying that not getting into

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grammar school destroyed them, a sense of failure at the city and

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age. There is problem of 16 by anecdotes, people who went to a

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grammar school saying, it lifted the out of cardboard box. But you have

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got to get there. But the other people who did not go and they say

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it held them back. It feels like a very old debate. It felt like we had

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moved on from that. We thought the Tory party had moved on as well.

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People are saying the cost as well, getting your kids through... The

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tutoring. It is ?60 million that could have gone to improve all

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schools. The Telegraph has it on their front page, it is split in the

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Cabinet as well. Leave aside across parties, within the Conservative

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Party this divisive proposal. Let's move on to the Mail on Sunday. The

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story that shocked them in a people last weekend has moved on, we are

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hearing from the wife of Keith Vaz, saying that she forgets her

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husband's betrayal. Laughter macro pick this up!

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There has been some reporting about what might have been known or not

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known in other papers, we were discussing it earlier, as

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journalists, we get involved in political theatre, he is the chair

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of the common committee, but it is very personal. This is something

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that his wife is going through, I cannot imagine how difficult it must

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be. How she goes through it and what she says is fascinating. It is

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interesting because there is a very detailed account of the interview of

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the moment he returned home last Friday night and sat her down. He

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actually returned early extract normally he is always late home. We

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will not mention why expect she took about interlocking his hands on his

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lap, pausing and then detonating his bombshell. She said, I would like to

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have taken all of my crockery and broken it on his head, but she has

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taken it back, they are sharing their marital bed. I think it is

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very interesting. Maybe because we were talking before, it is the sort

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of in the interview you would have gotten a few weeks, but it is very

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recent and very raw. I thought that, it is a very quick response. And the

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personal details about the marital bed, I thought, it is only a week

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gone. She is an extremely intelligent woman, a judge, very

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successful lawyer, said in her own right, and in credible woman. Do you

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think this was too soon to come out with something like this? It is hard

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to tell what is to seem because it is their family and how they go

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through it. It is certainly feeling very fresh, the story broke a week

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ago, and I can't imagine that in a week that all of this could have

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happened. She has already already said that she had to sit down with

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her kids, she had to say my daughter was devastated, I did not want to

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break down, I did. What my child to -- I did not want my child to prop

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me up. To go through all of this in a week is very terrible. What I do

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about this story in the Sun? Brexit means Brexit, this group called

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change Britain is being launched, as a vote Leave, campaign, so this

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piece is the co-chairman who is going to be involved in Change

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Britain. Breast Johnson just gets a little bit, he says that Brexit --

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Boris Johnson. He is asking people to say what they

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think Brexit means. He is asking people to sign up? To sign up to

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Change Britain. There is a campaign, Britain stronger in Europe has

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become open Britain, and voted league has become Change Britain.

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They had a lot of people sign up as members of those campaigns, so this

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is a feeling that it will be a long-term debate and how that debate

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is shaped, those campaign groups, they are doing the job of the Labour

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Party which is non-existent at the moment. This week we have had Boris

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Johnson putting down a marker, he expect a hard Brexit, Liam Fox the

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story, his medications today, the comments calling at each business is

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fat and lazy and they want to play golf, he has been slapped down by

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Downing Street. David Davies saying it is improbable that we would stay

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in the single market, he has been slapped down by Downing Street. They

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want to say Brexit means Brexit and we do not want to talk about

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anything else, but the big beast in Cabinet want to make noise. This is

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needs to come out soon. This is campaign by slogan, Brexit means

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Brexit, there is no running commentary. They have a lot of these

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details but a lot of this still can be shaped. The Brexit means Brexit

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thing essentially means that we do not know what it means so we can

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shape it. So you have got Change Britain which becomes like a

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campaign. They have their own manifesto, the Observer has a story

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about how the ?350 million pledge is nowhere to be found in the Change

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Britain manifesto. It is a debate which has not been won or lost. It

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is going to be going on for a few years. Oh, dear X Mac lets -- oh

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dear! The front of the Telegraph, elliptical correctness. -- political

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correctness. A threat to Christmas, it makes you think, here we go

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again! They have got early thinking from a government report which has

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been done by the government's integration czar, and it picks out

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this story about a community centre which put up a festive tree because

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they did not want to call it a Christmas tree cos it might offend

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Asian and the slim star. They said as it was -- and Muslim staff. They

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said it was a well-meaning white manager who did not want to offend

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anyone. I think focusing on that covers up a more interesting and

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more important issue. We have seen it in the past with tales of child

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abuse in rather, where people in positions of authority -- in rubber

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-- they do not speak out because they do not want to offend. The quiz

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treating does not matter. Unless you put up a sign saying, this is a

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festive tree, not a Christmas tree, no one knows. The headline is silly

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but the content of the story is more serious. It is picked up in the

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Sunday Times as well, they have an interview with someone who was a

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counterterrorism officer in the Met Police who talks about how racism in

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the Met Police is not a problem from white officers, it comes from Muslim

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officers who can be quite hard line on things like... Sharia law, and...

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Domestic violence. She said that people do not call that out because

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they are worried about being called racist. Underlying the silly

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headline is more interesting. That is where the rubber hits the road.

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What this means, political correctness. The Sunday Times story

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is interesting because it says, what happens when political correctness

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comes to something we have to care about, national security? She has

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offices that say Pakistani problems could be solved by the Caliban, she

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complained and said if a white officer said something similar, they

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would be fired. This is where it comes out. Sometimes differences are

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there to be shouted about. She says one of the reasons she resigned is

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because, if you have got a senior Muslim officer in the

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counterterrorism police, we want diversity. Pick up on page eight and

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nine, double page spread in the Observer. We are talking about new

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political tribes. Do we have room for more? Certainly, this is not

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great reading if you are a supporter of the Labour Party. The numbers

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speak for themselves in terms of where the country is heading, 77% of

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voters say they are centre left of centre-right, and only 20% say the

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Labour leader occupies that territory, and those people say he

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is left wing. But elections are not one within a party, they are one

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nation wide. This is interesting data in terms of how the Labour

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leadership election will be shaped. It is 24 September, the results? I

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think we all know that he's going to win, but no one knows what is going

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to happen afterwards. This sort of polling will make for some grim

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reading for the Labour Party. What it shows is how out of tune with the

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country Jeremy Corbyn is. All elections are won by being in the...

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It is an a great rock in the centre, they just go about their business

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most people, they just worry at the election. They say, even if we win,

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they have the same problems, they have not moved on. Let's go back to

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page 15 of the Telegraph. We have got about 40 seconds, what do you

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say? It's was a bit of digging around to find anything on the

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Paralympics. There is a bit here, deep in the sports section, it is

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surprising, it was everywhere in London 2012. We are doing well and

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breaking records but it does not seem to have got onto the front

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pages. You have to ferret around to find it. We thought it was a bit

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disappointing. It has become a novelty story. It was quite

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disappointing because in London 2012, the Paralympics were covered

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in fantastic detail. There were covered as they should be as a

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sporting event. Now they seem to be just a collection of 1-page stories

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here and there rather than the bank it covered you would expect. Need to

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make more of an effort. There are fantastic stories coming out. Thank

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you very much. That is it for us, thank you to our

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guests. We will be taking a look at tomorrow's front pages every evening

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at 10:40pm here on BBC News.

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