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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are the journalist Yasmin Alibhai Brown

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and Ben Riley-Smith, political correspondent

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Tomorrow's front pages, then, starting with...

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The Independent. It says Theresa May has been warned her plans for

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grammar schools will push pure dosh poorer pupils further behind their

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peers. The Daily Telegraph said British troops prosecuted for

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alleged abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan may have their pay

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docked to pay legal expenses. The gardening so is prominent Labour MPs

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will reject a turn to the front bench if Jeremy Corbyn wins the

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party leadership battle and fails to agree elections to the Shadow

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Cabinet. The Daily Express insists the EU will give Britain a good deal

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in Brexit negotiations because millions of jobs are at stake. The

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Times report on the hacking at Yahoo which compromised 500 million

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accounts. Great British Bake Off on the front of the Metro as it is on

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the mirror. It says the BBC is likely to start rival programme to

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Channel 4's. We will certainly get into that later. Let's begin with

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the front page of the Guardian. Mr Corbyn are widely expected to win

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the leadership contest on Saturday and he has to begin the process of

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rebuilding and filling the front bench. Yes, but I think this is a

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very, very extraordinary political moment and I don't think I ever

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remember a political party being in this position because for the

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political classes, they focus just on the MPs. But out there, the

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support he has built up, Jeremy Corbyn, is truly impressive. And you

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cannot ignore their voices. They are people who had given up on politics

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and who have come back into it. It is a dilemma which, I don't know how

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you would resolve it, it is like the Church of England and gay marriage,

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maybe a split is inevitable in some form. The problem he has is that so

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many talented politicians on the left drifting away to be Mayor in

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Manchester or to be on select committees, anything but to be on

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the front bench with him. You cannot ignore those hundreds of thousands

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of supporters in the country and you cannot ignore the MPs who have been

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voted by millions of people to represent them. The Guardian piece

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is good and they have mentioned the Summer and the hectic moment when 60

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Pulis frontbenchers walked out and they went through those names and

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said, have you had talks with Jeremy Corbyn to come back? A lot of the

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big names are not ready to come back. Stella Creasy, Callow -- Kerry

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McCarthy, and people like Hilary Benn looking for big Parliamentary

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rolls. Although he has won this big parliamentary mandate, he may get a

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dozen people returning but he has 60 rolls to fill and how are they going

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to fulfil the function of an opposition? I think the MPs also

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have to grow up. You cannot have a process. You could criticise the

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process initiated by Ed Miliband for ?3 50, you had this power to elect

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the leader of the party. But you cannot have a process which was

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validated by the NEC and just because you don't like the result,

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behave and sulk for quite a long time. They have got to put some

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majority into what they do next. The trouble is if you cannot bring the

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party together, you get what we see on the front of the Daily Mirror,

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that is senior figures from the sidelines. Yvette Cooper makes a

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fair point, many would think. Extraordinary for a Labour

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supporting paper to write at the top, Labour is now the nasty party.

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Yes, that phrase resonates, Theresa May used it at the Tory conference

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to describe the Tories and that is a worrying state of affairs. She is

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talking about the guerrilla army of a lot of voters. Who use social

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media in a most hideous way. This is not the official policy of anybody

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in whichever side of the power structure you want to look at. What

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they haven't done and I think this is what Yvette Cooper is saying,

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they should have clamped down on this a long time ago and they chose

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not to. And maybe they thought this was quite good, I don't know. Yes,

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the heart of her argument is that you need to be proactive to stop

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this. This will go to the National conference tomorrow. It is

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patrolling and also the leader himself for not taking the task

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people and she raises one example close to home, Labour supporters who

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booed elliptical editor Laura Kuenssberg when she tried to raise a

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question. I was that the debate and there was a lot of booing when her

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name was called. And eventually, he told them to calm down but did not

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immediately become proactive and tell them. Yvette Cooper is saying

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to be proactive, not just warm words. She says, you need to

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criticise your supporters when they undermine Labour values as well as

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going after your supporters -- opponents. He says he totally

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condemns abuse but she says, but more things into place to clamp

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down. And they have put in new rules. They should expel members.

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That is the driving of the wedge between them! You have to do

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something, you cannot tolerate this. It will keep happening. The Daily

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Telegraph, your paper. The paper is reading this evening with something

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activating the MOD and the Army and that is legal cases, historical

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allegations of abuse in Iraq and investigations. It is the third or

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fourth time it has been on our front pages, we and our leaders care about

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it and the Daily Mail has it on the front page today. There is a body

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about the rock historic allegations -- Iraq. There are allegations of

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war crimes which need to be dealt with seriously and looked at and it

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needs to be determined whether cases get brought against the troops. Six

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or seven years from the beginning of Iraq and when this body was taken

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up, our paper feels the troops being seemingly held to account, people

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have stepped far beyond the line in what they are doing. This is just an

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example. All those cases brought by the lawyers get legal aid for the

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coverage. Here, the troops have to pay from their own pocket, over

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?12,000 and if it is over ?30,000,... Is it right lawyers get

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this? I think the focus on the initiative side. That is not enough.

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It is not just administrative, people face bankruptcy. What I find

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worrying, the US never signed up to the international court in The

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Hague. I thought that was wrong if it is an international court,

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everybody should have been there. The reason they didn't sign up is

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because they did not want soldiers in the wars we carry out is to be

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held accountable. There is something wrong there as well, you cannot just

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have Africans hold to it and the rest of us get away with it. And the

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second fingers, of course there are heroic soldiers and very good

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discipline -- second thing is. Not all soldiers, they are not heroes

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and we need to look at where this has gone. That is a valid point but

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one case held up today was a prosecution involving a Taliban

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roadside bomb held up for 100 days trying to blow up British soldiers

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and he did not like being held in custody. And it was not

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controversial to say that he admitted the digging a hole is to

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create a bomb. So you have the route that out, it is a balance. If we

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hold ourselves up as part of the Western Alliance where we follow

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rule of law, the rule of law has to apply to the nastiest people

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otherwise we just go around shooting them. What is the next step? To get

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the real tyrants in the world, even though this man wanted to kill us,

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we have to go through the process and do what we have two with it. I

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think that is the right thing to do. You are right, but there is a

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balance and some scurrilous allegations are getting through. I

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think this will get a lot of play tomorrow, on the times. 500 million

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web users, put that into context. That is jaw-dropping. In the world,

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they have had their internet history leaked. There are a lot of fake

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accounts and company accounts, but it shows how staggeringly available

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this information is. And that is Michelle Obama's passport which was

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released by this hacking team that had got in. It is terrifying the

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scale with which you can do this at the click of a couple of buttons.

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How did they do it? We don't know who did it. With all this

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information... I do not want to say but there are allegations. They are

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saying it is state-sponsored which would be the most interesting. That

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is why I think we will hear more about it. There it is a story at the

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top of the times, the number of wretched unions, people married,

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doubled. People living in deeply unhappy relationships. I am really

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sad about this, we are living in times with more equality between men

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and women, really quite good modern relationships and apparently, this

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is happening. And it is happening, the figures are completely reliable.

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One in 20 is extremely unhappy. Double the proportion in 2010. Is

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this because life is so expensive? Getting divorced is expensive? You

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get tied into big mortgages? There is a line of explanation from

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experts. They said many couples who come together for financial reasons

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and the recession have become less forgiving of each other's faults, so

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it is the burden of the recession. What about the unhappy relationship

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between the BBC and Channel 4 at the moment and the moving of the Great

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British break of the Channel four. Mary Berry today has decided to

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stick with the BBC and now we have this story saying the BBC might well

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bring Mary, Mel and Sue back together. I just want to say three

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women! They did the right thing. The bloke followed the money! Right,

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well, yes! They say Nordea may go to Channel 4. I would have the revised

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my theory. You could be her agent and Ascot prize. Should Channel 4 be

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buying these programmes from the BBC? Michael grade and John

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Whittingdale have said it should not be happening. I do not have a

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particular issue with private companies taking over. Channel 4 is

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not quite, it is an in between. I find it phenomenal the contract...

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How in the contract negotiations did they not secure the most important

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element which is the stars presenting it? They did not consult

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the stars, from what I hear. Our media commentators said earlier that

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apparently, there are instances where you sign a big contract and

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the Thai people in. ITV had looked at buying the programme, but could

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not be guaranteed the presenters and backed out. I just think, well done,

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macro to. Well done, Mel and Sue. Could you watch it on Channel 4

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without the three ladies? Mary Berry says she thinks the British public

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something not quite right about something not quite right about

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taking a show that was nurtured by the BBC. Even if it is the same

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tent? No, no. That is all they have got now. We women have really high

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morals! Yes, I don't know what the tent manufacturers say about that,

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if they are going or not! Lets hope they have a deal on the tent!

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