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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are the broadcaster, Shyama Perera and the lawyer, Andrew Kidd.

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As we have them at the moment. The Financial Times reports on the

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possible purchase of Twitter. Both Google and Salesforce are in talks

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to buy the social media platform. The independent reports on the

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Labour leader, saying that polls reveal many are not keen on Jeremy

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Corbyn. The Daily Mail claims doctors can work in the UK without

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safety checks. The Times reports on a ledge at passport fraud on the

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dark web. A new British Bill of Rights will ensure that service men

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and women will no longer be subject to European human rights laws on the

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battlefield. The Daily Express calls the mind blowing arrogance of

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European president Martin Schulz. The Guardian says one in seven

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takeaway restaurants fails basic hygiene tests. We're going to be

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talking about a few of those stories, but let us kick off with

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the Defence Secretary talking about British troops being the victims of

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a witchhunt, and that a legal cases being brought against them from

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things that have happened on the battlefield. Iraq and Afghanistan,

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particularly. This really captures people's attentions, and people feel

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strongly about this. Rightly, that our service men and women are doing

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a job protecting our country and then they are being dragged through

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the courts in these really difficult cases. And Michael Fallon here is

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saying that it's going to come to an end. I think a lot of people will

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support that. And he is saying that the European legislation will be

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replaced by a British Bill of Rights and there will be a limitation

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period, so there will be a long stop date after which these cases cannot

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be brought. So pleased that will give certainty to these service men

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and women -- so at least that will. So pleased that is a positive thing.

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Some people will say that soldiers have to have legal constraints. Of

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course they do, and that is what separates us. We fight fair, we have

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rules that we and our soldiers stick to. The problem is not that there is

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a rich witchhunt, the problem is that there are lawyers like Andrew,

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presumably, there are loopholes in the law that allow them to chase

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after soldiers and accuse them of stuff. As has been suggested

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recently, almost perniciously. One company has closed down as a result

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of that. It is not actually a rich witchhunt, it is an expert

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annotation of fair laws -- it is not actually a witchhunt, it is an

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exploitation. It's not what we do that is wrong, it is the way that we

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have been doing it. One point Michael Fallon makes is that it's

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not only worrying, intimidating to use his words, for soldiers who

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retrospectively think they might be prosecuted for something. But also

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for people who are serving now. They are worried about in the future,

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they could possibly be prosecuted for something. So does have an

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impact potentially on morale, I suppose? Inevitably. There has to be

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accountability. Nobody is saying we remove accountability. It is just

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striking the right balance between accountability and allowing our

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service men and women to do their job. At the end of the day, we're

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giving them a weapon and telling them to go into a war zone. And keep

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us safe. Has that balance been tilted too much? It seems to me...

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Human rights gets a bad press in the UK, let's face it. But it's our

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observance of human rights which separates us from the bad guys.

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Absolutely. We can't contemplate bad use of good laws with morality. Did

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that bad guy deserves a beating? Yes, we probably all think secretly

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and some publicly that he did. But should our soldiers have done it?

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Well, you know, that is what separates us from the other side. I

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notice very interestingly that Michael Fallon is quoted at the end

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talking about the Russians and what's going on in Syria. He says if

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it was a mistake, Russia should apologise. If it was deliberate,

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then the Russian commanders should be turned in for prosecution.

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Actually, that's all that's happening here. When somebody has

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transgressed, they are being turned into a prosecution. What has upset

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us is that people are exploiting this to make what appeared to be

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pernicious allegation against individual. Let us go on The Times.

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A different story about the dark web, saying that forged British

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passports and things like driving licences, even GCSE certificates,

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are being sold on hidden Internet websites in the so-called dark web

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or the deep Web, whatever you want to call it. We have known for a long

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time that all sorts of things and weapons and drugs, whatever, are

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sold on the dark web. Children. Everything. Is that, not a

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particularly shocking revelation perhaps? I suppose not. We were

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saying before, we weren't entirely sure the dark web was. Rewound

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absolutely sure the story was, either. We have just come from all

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of those, you know, my daughters when they were younger got fake

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driver 's licenses. It didn't cost them ?100, it cost them ?20. Maybe

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get a better class of false driving licences if you go on the dark web.

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Takes a bit of a sinister tone if you read the article. Jihadists are

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known to be adept at using the technology and share guides on how

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to do it. They share weapons and class a drugs and those things are

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stoically late in the stop rather -- are circulating. These things are

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circulating across the world. They all things like Islamic state. A lot

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of criminals. Just to explain to anyone who doesn't know the dark web

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is, it's like the Internet, but below the surface, isn't it? And it

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is encrypted, that is the key. That is the key. There is a degree of

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secrecy involved. Journalists might not use the dark web, but they will

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use those levels of encryption. They delete that kind of onion state

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which doesn't allow people to access what they are doing. In that sense,

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it is a sole source for good. Brilliancy, it can be figured. Here

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is being used for bad -- previously can be for good. You're not

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impressed with that for a front page from The Times. I prefer the picture

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of Jeremy Paxman above it. He says he hated his dad, at least he knew

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him! We weren't going to too much detail about Jeremy Paxman's father.

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It is featuring exclusive extracts from his autobiography. Now, the

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Guardian newspaper is looking ahead to the Labour Party conference. We

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are going to get the leadership result tomorrow. Will it be Evan

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Smith? Will it be Jeremy Corbyn? All money seems to be an Jeremy Corbyn.

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This is another story that is very interesting, stating the obvious,

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Labour's divisions will become irreconcilable and the damage to the

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putty terminal if it enters another bitter year infighting. -- to the

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party turn terminal. That is from someone who is not a Corbyn fan as

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such. He got dispatched as part of that initial leadership... Is this

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paper says, he has remained neutral during the leadership race. He is

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saying Labour will only be able to heal if there are serious

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concessions from the leader. He is looking for some sort of compromise

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between the two wings of the party. Mr Corbyn has said there is an olive

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tree outside his office. Not so much an olive branch, but he is prepared

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to offer some softening on his policies. But it remains to be seen

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what form that will take. You would have a hard time arguing that he was

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trying his best in terms of communications. His approach to

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Brexit was along similar lines, or his approach to campaigning for a

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Remain. If you put as much effort into bringing the party back

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together as he did for that,... 7.5. It looks like he will win. What is

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your perception of that what will mean for the Labour Party? The next

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election it will be touch and go for the Labour Party. I would have said

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two months ago if they carry on like this, they will lose the next

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election without question. Now that Theresa May has started pushing her

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own agenda, I actually think it could be 50-50 by the time we get to

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the ballot box. They will both lose ground. You a Jeremy Corbyn Labour

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Party could win the next election? I think if the Tories carry on in the

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way they have the last couple of weeks, yes. OK. On that subject of

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the Labour Party, have a cartoon in the Telegraph. We like to feature

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these cartoons because they are so good. It is just a very simple

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policeman being asked for directions in Liverpool. To the Labour

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conference, says the policeman, turn left, then further left. I should be

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doing this on this girl 's accent! Then much more left, and it's on

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your left. -- in a Scouse accent. Your crimes staggered that she

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thinks that Mr Corbyn has any chance. -- I am just staggered. Look

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at the evidence, look at the polls. He can't even bring his party

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together, and nevertheless the country. I think that she is somehow

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crippling the Tories. She has just brought in to much that was not on

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the manifesto. She's taking them off somewhere else together, grammar

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schools. What did she do this we? I forgotten already, but she keeps

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taking them off message. That's not going to be enough to hand victory

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to Corbyn, let's face it. I think you get a 50-50, I think you'd get

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another coalition. Or a demolition, I think it would be! Not a coalition

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between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, I don't think. The Financial

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Times have a story about Twitter. I don't know if you guys are on

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Twitter, but it looks like it could be up for sale with Salesforce and

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Google in talks to buy it. What you think that? Well, yes. We were

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reading this before. I was just surprised at how much bigger

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Facebook is then Twitter. I used Twitter so much more than I use

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Facebook. But it says here that Facebook is 24 times larger than

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Twitter. And snapped at also has a higher valuation. Twitter have been

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flat-lining and struggling to get new users. They have been talk about

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loosening the 140 characters. At the moment, I like it. It's snappy,

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punchy. If you turn it into a blog, where there is no character limit,

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that may make it... What's a lot? May be daily, I tweet. It's a great

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way of interacting. I think there is a big difference between Twitter and

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sites like Facebook. Facebook is about the heart, people obsessing or

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pining. Twitter is about the head. Little thoughts that come out,

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pieces of news, information. It's not really a conversation. Do you

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like Twitter? I love Twitter and I don't like Facebook. I much prefer

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sharing what in my head than what's in my heart. I think this is

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interesting. You're doing both tonight 's. So you think! I think

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this is interesting, because where does Twitter go? They won't monetise

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Twitter, they won't put ads in. The Financial Times is saying it is

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valued at $16 billion. Which is brilliant money. There are 70

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people. There must be a way to actually start influencing those

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people. -- there are so many people. We will see what happens to Twitter.

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Will it be sold, will it not? The Daily Mail have a question for EU

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doctors. They say thousands of EU doctors can work in the United

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Kingdom without basic state if the checks, according to a watchdog

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warning today. -- basic safety checks. Is that a worry? The

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headline is a worry. I mean, the Daily Mail supported Brexit and they

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are sort of continuing with that line. Niall Dickson, the head of the

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GMC is saying that the loophole needs... General medical Council.

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The he says there is a genuine worry when it comes to protecting the

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public. We can't check their competencies and EU policy rules.

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Language can't be tested. -- EU equality rules. The body call for

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this loophole to be closed. Yeah, on the facts that we have here, it is

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worrying. I know, but what they are not saying is why this is an issue

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at this minute. Is it because European doctors are accidentally

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knocking us all off and we're all disappearing from GP surgeries

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because we no longer exist? Or we are all in hospital beds that, you

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know, and it's down to European GPs not to diagnosing us? Or is it just

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another bit of fluff? It's relevant now because we're all talking about

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article 50 and when will it be invoked. The Daily Mail is keeping

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the Brexit... Dickson is a former BBC correspondent. He's obviously,

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you know. Let us stick to health. The Guardian have something

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potentially alarming. If you're watching this on a Friday

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night a takeaway on the sofa, you might be a bit alarmed to know that

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one in seven take aways fail hygiene tests, according to the Guardian

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analysis. The ten worst areas, apparently, are the London boroughs

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of new, Edinburgh, Shetland Islands, Islington, Lancashire, Harrow

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Midlothian, Luton and Ealing in west London. They are full of fried

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chicken shops! I thought this was quite fun and also very worrying.

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I'm sure we've all got kids who come in late at night with things in

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plastic containers that really don't look edible at all. Not just the

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kids! I live in Islington and I'm certainly not having a takeaway on

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the way home. I'm very choosy where I get my take aways. I think you

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have to be very careful. I used to frequent a Chinese restaurant a lot

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near where we lived. And suddenly in all the newspapers was a photograph

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of a mouse in their sweet and sour sauce, running up the wall. The

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photograph was taken by food hygiene inspectors which closed the

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restaurant down City months, and it is still going strong. I have to

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say, it really made us think as a family unit. -- down for two months.

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You fiend then? Trying to eat healthy. But inevitably... Do you

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like a takeaway curry? Occasionally, yes. Occasionally I indulge. It's

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not a crime! You don't need to be so defensive. It's allowed. Fish finger

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sandwiches. If you're watching at home, enjoy your takeaway. Thank you

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so much for being with us, very good to have you on the programme.

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Don't forget all the front pages are online on the BBC News website

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where you can read a detailed review of the papers.

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It's all there for you - seven days a week at bbc dot co uk

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with each night's edition of The Papers being posted

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on the page shortly after we've finished.

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Thank you to our guests. And from me, goodbye.

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It's been a fine Friday for many of us, but the weather's been on the

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turn across the North West of Scotland. It is quite wet here from

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this weather front. This very long weather front extends way out from

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the Atlantic. On either side of it,

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