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to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow.


With me are Tom Bergin, who's a business correspondent for Reuters,


and the writer and journalist Lucy Cavendish.


How lovely to see you both, thank you for coming in. Very autumnal! It


has all been thought through! The Telegraph leads with the claim


in an article written for the paper by the chair


of the Airports Commission that the only viable option


for airport expansion is Heathrow. The paper also claims that the


arrival of lone child migrants is a Devon town


is concerning residents. The Metro too devotes its front page


to the migrant story, of what it calls the Calais


migrant "shanty town". It says fires blazed


as migrants and police clashed. The Guardian's take on the


demolition of the Calais camp is to warn of the dangers


to vulnerable child refugees. The paper also splashes on calls


from Labour MPs to act set by Ched Evans being found


not guilty in a rape retrial. Violence amid the closure of the


Calais Campbell also dominates the Times' front page, it claims


anarchists are staring up trouble. So let's start with Calais, on


several of the front pages, as you would expect, as we approach this


move tomorrow to close down and dismantled the camp that has become


known as the Jungle. They say there are about 7000 people there, some


argue it is more like 10,000. A picture here of police and migrants


fighting running battles, it says, in Calais around this encampment on


these of this enforced eviction. There is a British angle to this, up


to 70 teenage migrants have been shipped to one rural town, Lucy,


where is it? They have gone to great Torrington in Devon, and there is


obviously some concern there, but also lots of people saying they are


a very welcoming town and they are happy to have these teenagers there.


And that it is a welcoming place for them to be. But it sort of reminds


me of a story about families that have been sent up to the middle of


Scotland, and they were complaining that they hated it because nothing


happened! It will be interesting to see what happens. The pictures on


the front pages of the papers are pretty shocking, and it looks


horrible, what is actually going on there, so going to Great Torrington


will probably be a massive relief. There is criticism of the French and


British authorities, that they have not handled this particularly well,


even though we have known for quite some time that these young children


were going to be coming. Yes, I mean, I suppose like quite a lot of


things they could be handled better, but for me, looking at this story on


what really grabs me is the amount of attention we are giving to


something where the numbers are not that great. For example, 70 people,


children, teenagers coming to this area, it seems probably temporarily,


they are not going to be in one area, although 70 in one area, it is


hard to see how it would create a massive strain on local


infrastructure. It is a small place, though. If you put this in the


context of the broader problem of migration, and the issue of asylum,


Germany received 1 million people last year. This full cap, even if it


is 10,000, it is less than 1% of that. It is a strange basis on which


to make policy decisions or develop a view of the broader issue of


migration. And it feeds in, of course, to the broader perception


that there is a pressing problem for us, and maybe it is not compared to


what other European nations have to deal with. I think it is because it


is the first people we have taken. There has been talk of taking a


measly amount of people in terms of Syrian refugees, and very few have


come. It is not something that has been talked about. This is the first


set of people that have appeared, and obviously there is a hole who


hard about weather they are children. I think people were


expecting teary six-year-old appearing wrapped up in bundles, and


of course it is a different story that has emerged. But what happens


tomorrow is an issue, isn't it? The Times is talking about anarchists


coming, the possibility of violence, and the people want to be there with


a view to getting into the UK, many of them, and it looks like it could


be violent. The Guardian says the Ayr for child refugees if the camp


is not broken up, if there is not a proper register of children under


18. -- fear. I think that is actually a proper fear, people are


going to disappear, and they are not going to say where they have gone,


and for a lot of people this will be a disaster, and there is no


register, and that is what could happen, it is a real fear. If you


have made your way to Calais, your intention was supposedly to end up


on this side of the channel. Absolutely, and France is a big


country, you could be hundreds of miles away from where you want to


be. Maybe other camps will emerge in other areas that will be launching


points to the UK. It may not solve the problem in the longer term,


having quite a unsafe camp here, it may reappear somewhere else. You


could imagine that it might do, because it was an organic thing in


the first place - people chose that place to make it across. It may just


appear somewhere else, and on it will go. Shall we move onto another


story, still on the Guardian? We have to be careful is, of course, it


is a legal issue, the case is now resolved. MPs call for legal change


after Ched Evans' case. This is a fear that, when the sexual history


of the complainant in this trial of Ched Evans, the footballer, of


course he was found not guilty on retrial, could set a precedent that


it will become open season for a woman's sexual history to be brought


up. Who is taking this case, making this challenge? Well, 40 female


Labour MPs are cited as having written to the Attorney General


asking for a review of the law, doubtless others would support that,


I assume it could be a broader group. It is an interesting case. We


discussed it earlier, is it a precedent or not? Is it the first


time it has happened? We don't know. But the fact that it has happened,


it can happen, it is of deep concern to these MPs. And it does seem a


little bit unusual. I remember having a conversation some years ago


with a doctor who was being sued for malpractice, and the doctor told me


that they believed that the claimant, that it was a fraudulent


claim, and they believed that the basis that this person had made


several claims before against other doctors. And they were not able to


bring that history up. So the idea that you are allowed to bring


somebody history up willy-nilly is not universal, so that in a brake


case, being allowed to do that, bringing up someone's sexual


history, it does not follow across other areas of law. The Lord did


change to prevent the sexual history being brought up, but this was a


very specific case, a very specific reason for it. -- the law.


Barristers we spoke to when the case ended said, actually, it will not be


subject to case law, to, law - it is a very specific issue that was part


of this hearing. -- to will next the -- to common law. The message that


is sent out, that women will take from this potentially, which is why


the MPs are writing this, it is going to be very difficult to bring


allegations of rape with a fear that your sexual history as a woman could


be brought up and be cared in public. And I think that is a very


dangerous thing to happen. And as they have said, you know, there is a


social media thing that goes on, there could be a lot of bullying,


all this sort of stuff. I think it is really important. Yes, because


complainants and victims are entitled to anonymity, but in this


case, this complainant was named on social media. Absolutely, and that


makes a massive difference. You are saying this was a very special case,


so specific to this case that it would never appear anywhere else -


that is something that people get concerned about, because these


one-off cases sometimes, you know, end up being replicated. It is hard


to say it would not come up again. Let's look at the Times, a few


stories here, what is happening in Iraq - Isis leave deadly booby-traps


for advancing Iraqi troops. This is the offensive we have been learning


about to retake the city of Mosul in Iraq from the Islamic State


militants, and of course we know that they have popped up in other


places to try to distract forces from what is happening in Mosul.


Tell us what is happening as they leave the city behind. Well, it


seems to be quite a horrific situation. Already, we have seen the


Isis forces have set fire to a sulphur plant, and we can imagine


what that is like, up to 1000 people have had to be treated for the


abuse. There is talk about vast quantities of explosives being set


up, booby-traps being rigged, trenches full of oil, the horrors


that we have seen in the past that IS has set up on the population in


the areas that it has occupied - we can only imagine what brutality as


possible. So it looks like it could be a very difficult attack, they say


it is going well for the Allied forces, but it is a difficult area.


I was in Kurdistan a few years ago, before Isis, and even then most was


perceived to be a place high volatility. -- Mosul. The population


is quite hostile at the best of times to the central government, so,


you know, the early signs are for the Western backed forces of


advancement might not continue at the same pace. And the fear is, if


they are pushed out of their strongholds, they could pop-up


elsewhere - not just in the Middle East, Iraq and Syria but here. A


really good piece in the Times, you do not see this with war reporting


very much anymore, a very experienced reporter does say in


this piece that, Rory Stewart is saying that one of the concerns is


that militants will launch terrorist attacks here as they are pushed out.


A very difficult and dangerous situation. We mentioned Moscow to


Chris Hughes in the Mirror, he has been on the front line, some


detailed reporting coming from him as well. -- we mentioned Mosul.


Pointless treatments are costing the NHS ?2 billion a year, which


treatments are these? Oh! I should not laugh about this, but I have so


much experience of the sort of placebo thing, people going in and


saying, I am ill, being given some kind of... Sugar pill. No, actual


treatment... What sort of conditions? Go go crazy is, back


pain, terminal cancer is awful, using saline solution, no difference


between using that and tap water. -- raises. It is calling all this


money, lots of plaster casts when people do not need them. It is a


ethical thing... I think it makes the patient feel better, do you not


know people like that? The antibiotics is a problem, lots of


people have insisted they wanted when they have the common cold and


we know it does not work. It is an interesting thing, why are we using


saline solution? Because the patient feels better, much more


professional, but actually you can use tap water to clean your cuts. I


do a lot of reporting, I had a conversation with an NHS Direct are


a couple of months ago, I said I would love to be doing investigative


reporting on this kind of thing. -- an NHS director. In the US, you can


get this data, you can see how much money is being wasted, and even


where it is being wasted. They can find doctors in Florida who are


doing vast quantities of fillings that do not need to be done. So we


have the academy of Royal Court is to thank. This information should be


available on the intranet. They do not seem to be keen to release this


information that would allow someone like me to assess their efficiency,


one wonders why they do not want to have that scrutiny! But it is partly


our fault as patients? That we insist on stuff? We need to grow up


a bit? Yes, I don't, because I am very hearty, and we don't do that


Sword of State in my family! No, we just don't. -- we don't do that sort


of stuff in my family. I want the least amount of medicine in my body!


So do I! Aren't we good, saving all this money for the NHS?! We are back


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