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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are the journalist Mina Al-Oraibi


Good to have you back after your travels round the world.


And Tom Chivers, science writer for BuzzFeed UK.


Before the papers, a word of warning. Some of you might be


interested in who won the last Great British Bake Off of the series


history before it affects to Channel 4. So other papers, which means the


winner is on the front page. This is a spoiler alert and if you do not


want to know who won, put a couple of Bakewell tarts in your ears and


turn away because we will unavoidably reveal all in this paper


's review. You have been warned. The Metro says thousands of low-paid


NHS staff are having to rely on food banks,


hand-outs and payday loans. A stark image of the burning remains


of the Jungle dominates the front The Express once again raises


the prospect of a quick Brexit, carrying comments from the head


of the World Trade Organisation in which he says there's


no need for disruption Great British Bake Off


winner is Candice Brown and is in line for a big pay day,


says the Daily Star, saying she'll be launching a luxury


cake firm and her own line The Mail says British troops


and planes will be deployed in Estonia and Romania,


in response to what Nato sees The Guardian reports on criticism


of the Prime Minister over what she said privately to bankers


about the possible economic cost of Brexit -


a story the newspaper broke The Times has uncovered figures


which apparently show that the economic benefits


of an extra runway at Heathrow We can begin. The Guardian newspaper


and the story about the children left behind, as the Calais camp


burned. You have taken interest in Middle Eastern affairs, Mina


Al-Oraibi. You have middle Eastern heritage. Many of these young


children have travelled from parts of the Middle East. How do you think


this has been handled? It has been handled terribly. There are 100


unaccompanied minors that nobody knows where they are tonight.


Imagine a country like France, that Europe would find that acceptable


and they are not the only miners lost along the way as conflicts of


the Middle East, but some who have escaped terrible poverty in Africa.


We see how the camp and the story in the Guardian is looking at the issue


of children, at 5000 people are affected by this. Images of burning


down the camp and in reality, these are human beings. We can call them


migrants, refugees, but they are human beings whose government has


failed them and the international system has failed them.


Disconcerting to hear comment is from the regional prefect in Calais


saying Mission accomplished, as if it were a military mission against


militants. It was people seeking a better life. The Guardian quotes


some charities, representatives of kindness, people volunteering and


putting up posts on Facebook and saying can somebody help these


people because they need shelter? Is there an argument this camp is a


pretty horrible place, refugee camps often are terrible places, and there


will always be a better way to accommodate people in these


situations and when countries are not sure if they are prepared to


accept them. There should be a better way to house people but the


fact you raise it to the ground and they distributed them in 450


different locations in France, there is a long process of trying to


process the people because in reality nobody wants to deal with


the crisis. Looking at the Telegraph image, these are the kinds of


images... A burning camp. Almost like a dystopia. The movies we


watched 10-15 years ago. There haves and have nots, and the latter can


face terrible circumstances with nobody to speak up for them. The


image, the cooking oil and gas that had not been cleared away and


exploded. All policy emphasis seems to be on pushing people out of this


place and it seems to me the idea they will go to the Calais Jungle


and the problem will be over is ridiculous. It is like pushing down


the bubble in wallpaper and it move somewhere else. They have 5000


people who need a home and they are shuffling around 450 different


places in France. We have three reporters there at BuzzFeed. They


were doing a marvellous job following people around and they


said people were separated from their family and friends, people did


not know who they were with. Carted around without any clear idea what


the next stage was. It seems to me this is they are going for the


headline idea, burn the place to the ground and hope it works out for the


best, whereas we know from everywhere else in the world that


when you make a refugee camp somewhere, it does not tend to be a


temporary arrangement, it tends to be a long-term thing. I cannot see


this solving problems in a meaningful way. We can move onto


another story that is gaining more traction and that is what Russia is


up to, not just in Syria, but its role on the edge of Europe. We had a


report of Spain having said it would allow refuelling of the Russian


fleet in the Mediterranean but now having been lent on by Nato


colleagues, saying there is no safe harbour. Next stop will be Malta and


we will see if they will act in the same way. Deployment of British


troops. We knew some would go as a rolling detachment I think in


Poland. The presence of jets, does that up the ante? Is it being


overhyped? It is up upping the empty. A proclamation was made at


the last Nato summit to have greater presence. Eastern European countries


now part of Nato are pushing on Western European nations and America


to say we need presence. You will see more of a Canadian presence.


Only 150 troops, but the idea is to tell Russia there is a consequence.


The timing is partly to do with the timing of increased sanctions on


Russia. Let's try to put pressure through Nato. This story says there


will be 800 troops deployed to Estonia for six months remain. It is


quite a lead up. It really is leading to yet more of a Cold War


scenario where we have Europe having, Eastern Europe is really the


buffer zone towards Russia, but it is more than posturing the fact you


have military personnel and equipment on the ground. You feel


like Putin is probably pleased with this. The great Western imperialist


oppressor has come to face up to us again, this plays into his... I am


not suggesting it is not important and he should not do it, but I


cannot imagine this is a disappointment. The Dato front page


might be pinned up on those boards -- Nato from page, pinned up at


Russian military headquarters. The Daily Telegraph has a domestic


story. You are a science journalist, Tom, the end of Doctor knows best.


The story is following a Supreme Court judgment, a horrible story, a


diabetic mother had her baby born with disabilities and apparently she


said it was she failed to have enough advice about the risks of


natural birth over a Caesarean. The Royal College said clinicians should


take patients through all options available, rather than using their


judgment to rule out the less likely to help ones. Putting the decision


making into the hands of the patient. As an occasional patient,


you think, I like it when the doctor makes decisions because they know


what they are talking about. But having spoken to doctors on similar


topics, one thing they have all said is it is risky to underestimate the


intelligence and judgment of patients. They are often


well-informed about conditions they have, especially with things like...


There are decisions about risk and trade-offs. If you are diagnosed


with certain types of cancer you might be offered a choice between a


surgical approach which will almost certainly clear that cancer but


leave you with long-term problems such as having to have a colostomy


bag, but sometimes others are riskier but there is not a right


answer. There is not an expert solution. Putting that decision in


the hands of the patient might make sense. Does that appeal? In certain


cases patients are given options, especially when it requires surgery,


when the surgeon will explain what the decision is. The Daily Telegraph


story explains that in some cases the consultation is not long enough


to go through all options and you do not see the senior consultant, often


it is someone from the team who will not go through all possibilities.


This case is about natural birth and Caesarean because a lot of women are


pushed for going further natural birth and I wonder if this is a


conversation that should be had about options women on given when it


comes to delivery because quite often that is depending on the ethos


of the doctor and what they think is best and what action they will


choose. First-time mothers especially do not know what to


expect. It should not be about litigation. The story said 1.4


billion was paid out by NHS trusts from 2015 because of litigation


issues. And trying to push the responsibility on the patient,


because surely the experts know best. I think we have that already


and the more senior doctors definitely give more information


than sometimes happens in other cases. I seem to remember the NHS


budget total is 100 billion and so 1.4 billion is not nothing but I


hope that is not going to drive major decisions. That is a fraction


overall. Finally, spoiler alert. For anyone still watching having failed


to listen to my advice or indeed the Bakewell tarts have melted in their


ears, which was not good advice! We are going on to the winner of Great


British Bake Off. Tom, I know you are particularly interested and


feeling pleased with yourself. I am, I am Team can this. I have outed


myself as Team Candice Brown. Are we not having marmite any more because


of Brexit? Has it become too expensive? She is unpopular with a


certain section of society because partly I think because she is


pouting a lot. Which explains the reference she will have her own


range of lipstick. We are out of time. Thanks for being with us.


Congratulations to Candice Brown and commiserations to the other winners.


All the front pages are online on the BBC News website and you can


read a detailed review. And you can see us with each night's edition of


the Papers posted shortly after we finish. I will be back with the


headlines at 11. A milder feel to the weather has


reached across the UK


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