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deliver this antiestablishment speech, mere feet from former

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presidents Amber establishment itself, and he now holds the highest

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position, the elite of the elite itself -- former presidents, the

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establishment itself. Let's turn away from those pictures to the

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papers. The Daily Mail front page, I Swear To Be The People's President.

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There he is, and on the Bible his Scottish mother gave him when he was

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nine, in an incendiary speech, it said. Was the tone incendiary? It

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was actually quite lower energy to some of his previous speeches. Yes,

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I thought it seemed quite sort of and passionate. Given he clearly did

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manage to engage his audiences so much on the campaign trail -- it

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seemed sort of un-passionate. Obviously we did not want him

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screaming the same things then. But I did feel it was un-passionate.

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This is a grandiose situation and some historians will say, going up

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the steps of the Capitol Hill, feel the gravitas of the office, and it

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seems to a degree he felt that. Many people have said this already of

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course, but in comparison with Barack Obama's inauguration speech

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eight years ago, it lacked all of those sort of rhetorical devices

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that great speeches are supposed to have, but perhaps for the people he

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is speaking to, they didn't need all of that? I fundamentally think

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Trump's vocabulary is far smaller... But he could have had help with the

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writing, it is not like you put it on his own. Well, he has claimed, or

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they have claimed, he did a lot more than expected, but we are comparing

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him with Obama, who is probably... One of the most fantastic orators,

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audibly, so it is not a cane comparison to anyone, however it

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felt very basic speech. I remember when Barack Obama was running for

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re-election, and they spoke about these voters so swayed by the

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beautiful things he said but felt as if he hadn't delivered, so I think

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sticking to that simple approach, explaining right to the people... We

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did get a few ideas about exactly what Donald Trump's priorities were

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going to be, this idea he wants to eradicate Islamic State and Islamist

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terrorism in its entirety. Yes, and that was obviously huge part of the

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speech, and he has made it sound as though... Of course the Islamic

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State is in a worse position than it was, I don't know, a year ago. He

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has sort of said he will remove them from the face of the earth, I think

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that was the phrase. But he doesn't want to get involved in other

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people's battled abroad. Yes, quite clearly a tension there.

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Obliterating carer, as he suggests, is really difficult. It is

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interesting to note how Obama spoke of global terrorism. He often

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referred to it as a cancer. You do not necessarily beat cancer, you try

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to put it into remission. In a way that was part of... Obama's view on

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terrorism, so we are seeing a huge diverging. And of course he was the

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person who said, Trump, that he knew more about IS than the generals do,

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one of those bizarre things that despite having no background in

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this, he of believes his got is somehow more powerful than people

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who know a great deal -- his gut. I find this a very troubling

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characteristic in a person. We have some bagpipes! There we are. Let's

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have a listen to those for a second. The commander-in-chief, saluting.

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The Times front-page COMMENTATOR: In God we trust, it said.

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What was the word he used -- you used, Rosamund, snark? You can read

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it on two levels but I suspect it is the rest of us might be trusting in

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God... Someone I spoke to earlier watching said what struck them as

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odd was that he thanked Barack Obama, because he said he had been

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magnificent in helping him with the transition, he couldn't have asked

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for any more, but then went straight on to criticise all politicians

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because they are corrupt, and there was a need to "Give America back to

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the people," sort of rest it back from the politicians. Yes, he tends

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to flip-flop. The Washington Journal wrote a fascinating article on his

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leadership style and how he creates this sense of deliberate chaos, and

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in creating that, agreeing with some things, changing, listening to one

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person but not another person, he actually can maintain control. It

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certainly has the media on the hop, hasn't it? They are not used to

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dealing with somebody like this who is very difficult to pin down. Yes,

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and often in a story, where he had said something plenty of people or

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is obviously Notre, you do not learn that until... So he will say

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something, and I think there is a real struggle in newspapers on how

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to cover somebody who has made so many statements that are false -- or

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is obviously not true. It is a real challenge and I do not think the

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media has quite got it yet. I suppose you need access to a

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longform interview to sort of keep going back to those first principles

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of journalism, really insisting somebody answers a question. And of

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course the Times, well done to them, they got that interview, but who did

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it? Michael Gove, the obviously was a journalist, but plenty of us in

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journalism felt that fell short in terms of actually questioning Trump

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when Trump said things like calling people illegals who are refugees,

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and that is where you don't say yes, and things to do with Brexit, things

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he said that were completely Andrew, we were being forced to take

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migrants -- completely untrue. That is really a challenge somebody in an

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interview and I felt, watching those clips, I found it pretty troubling.

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This is what he will do, isn't it? He will go to people who are not

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going to be tricky with him. That is why it is so interesting that this

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Times front page has Preserve, Protect And Defend The Constitution

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Of The United States as its main line, and the Constitution includes

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the freedom of the press, free speech, something that were a lot of

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Trump's critics have said he has not done well so far. No, with all those

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accusations of fake news levied at CNN and the like, both feed, even

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the BBC. -- Buzzfeed. It is a funny he has taken something that has

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benefited him, saying things like the Pope backed him, which obviously

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did not happen, shared around the Internet so many times, and he has

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taken this concept and weaponised it for him when actually it was

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something being used in his favour in the first place, but now it is

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waged at the press. The Mirror. Trump's War On The World. TiVos to

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put the United States first and to hell with every other country, in a

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chilling inaugural speech. I am interested in so other adjectives

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used to describe it. Yes, I think we were both not necessarily impressed

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either way. He did mention allies, though, and I think I saw in some of

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the British press, happy about what that means for Brexit, outside of

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the European Union, theoretically, and something else to focus on in

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this Mirror page, this curtain with gold parcels hanging off of it, and

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I do not know if the paper is trying to convey this idea, but it seems

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very regal. Yes, I was just thinking that. Watching today's Pomp and so

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on it reminded me of watching the preparations for the coronation.

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That curtain with a parcels, the parade, and the whole choreographed

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spectacle, it would have been the same whoever had one. There are

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certain elements that have to be... Yes, but the paper is trying to

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convey something. We can all probably mimic Donald Trump if we

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wanted to, because of his hand gesture of... Small hands. The Aoke

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up, this fest, the powerful first -- the OK sign. You like the thing with

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Michael Gove, and he doesn't like germs, so perhaps doesn't want to

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shake somebody's hand, but, yes, is very big on the hand gestures. We

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are big on that with politicians. Tony Blair had his hand gestures. I

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don't know. It feels like he is sort of trying to make out, make up for

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the lack of anything coming out of his mouth of any real import...

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Clearly what he does say resonates within people, doesn't it? OK, he

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did not win the popular vote as we have said many times, but he is

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popular. We have been speaking to people all day who say, you know, I

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know he might need to rein it in a bit on Twitter, but I like what he

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says, I like his intentions. The Financial Times, America First, fest

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in the air, competent -- combated inaugural address, rejection of

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globalism? That is a huge issue. People are trying to figure out what

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will happen in these first hundred days, and the problem that modern

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journalists have had is the present these large macro ideas, America

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First, we are going to focus on America for most, then he has these

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micro ideas, targeting Ford, for instance, in protectionism,

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targeting GM, for instance, but we do not get that middle part, how

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these policies are actually going to be implemented from today forward.

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Isn't that because he is not a politician. The fundamental thing he

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is lacking is years of actually doing that at state level. But he

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will be surrounded by experts, and Barack Obama said, you know, don't

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try to do this on your own. Yes, pointless from the Obama and

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ministries working for him because they have been so slow to fill...

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The Financial Times is focused on the idea that America First, you

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know, trade and all the protectionism, and somebody pointed

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out that the caps, they make America a great again caps that were being

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given out, they were made in China. So we see that it does not quite

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filtered down all the way. Not straightaway, anyway. The Mirror,

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pages two and three, inside, Declaration Of Independence, Trump's

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War On The World, a variety of different pictures. Michelle Obama

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looking quite, well, a frown on her face, certainly. Then we have

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Hillary and Bill Clinton. What must have been going through her mind

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that they? And the picture of course of those protests? We have not

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really spoke a lot about the protesters, and what is fascinating

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-- what is fascinating about this inauguration is the diversity of

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protesters. People there for racial reasons, gender reasons, economic

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reasons. And this is very different from inaugurations in the past. It

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goes back to Woodrow Wilson, where there were women who came to his

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inauguration in their early -- in the early 20th century to protest

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for women's suffrage, but that was a focus issue during that. Protesting

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the Vietnam War during the inauguration, and fairly similar in

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George W Bush's second inauguration, but you are the protesters are

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coming to protest against many different things and sort of his

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entire persona. Yes, I think that is right. Obviously huge contingent

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tomorrow will be women protesting. But he has been a terribly divisive

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candidate and there are a lot of people who are angry. It is very

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difficult to say, well, women are anti-drum, when clearly they are

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not. The majority of white women voted for him, yes. Finally on the

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papers we will look at this hour, page ten of the Daily Mail, could it

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be something he said? Two pictures here, on the left what the National

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Mall looked like when Obama was inaugurated in January 2009, and the

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same shot today. What we do not know, to be fair, is at what point

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in the proceedings each of those photographs were taken. The Obama

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picture could have been at the height of the gathering, and the

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other one could have been, you know, before people really got there, but

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are they taking liberties? We don't know. This is going to be painful

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for Donald Trump because Trump is someone who, in many of his speeches

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and to defend himself, often mentions the number of people who

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come to his rallies. He speaks about huge crowds, and he actually

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mentioned this at his big press conference, so seeing a photograph

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like this, and undoubtedly he will see something like this because it

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will circulate on Twitter and we know he is a big Twitter user, would

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be incredibly painful, but the question is will he continue to

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govern in the way he has managed this transition? That he has a

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mandate, some sort of popular backing, despite the fact that he

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lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. That is it for The

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Papers this error. Much more to talk about. Actual governance has already

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begun. Quite a few things have already been set in motion. We will

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speak about those again with Charlie and Rosamund who are back again at

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half past 11 for another look at the papers. Time to catch up with the

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weather forecast with Helen. Good evening. A lovely sunny day for

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many areas of the country with just a few exceptions. This was

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