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You are watching BBC News. Let's take you straight to Washington,

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where they are close to the Lincoln Memorial, and that is the Piano

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Guys, and you'd be forgiven for not having heard of them, but they are

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taking part in a celebration for the impending inauguration of Donald

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Craig Trump. This is -- Donald Jay Trump. These guys are among the

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headline acts, as well as Green Day. Part of the reason they are having

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this at the moment is all Trump and his inauguration team are attracting

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some A-list celebrities to take part in celebrations tomorrow. In fact,

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one Hollywood Broadway star, Jennifer Holliday, she's had to pull

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out after criticism from the LGB TE community. We are possibly going to

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get some words from the man himself, Donald Trump, in the next few

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minutes. We will try to bring you that. But in the meantime, as I say,

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you are watching the Piano Guys. Serenading a few thousand people

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there, I suppose! With me in the studio are our guests for The

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Papers. With me are Guardian

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columnist Hugh Muir, and Dan Bilefsky from the New York

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Times. All the papers are dominated by the

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inauguration tomorrow, and as I try to explain, it's been a bit tricky

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for the President-elect to get some headline acts. Hugh, his problem,

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certainly as far as the inauguration is concerned, is that he's not seen

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by some as the of person who should be head of state. But a lot of

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people do believe that his presidency, when it begins, is not

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getting off on the right foot. Well, who knows what we're going to get?

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And one can understand all of these stars who might have normally

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expected to be at and inauguration but have decided not to be there. It

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doesn't look great on your resume, does it? Serenading President Trump.

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On your CV! And canny a West was asked to be there but they said, no,

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they will have a traditional American event. Just the tone of the

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this presidency. They've been saying this presidency. They've been saying

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in a speech tomorrow he will talk about being a president for a united

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America, but what we are seeing doesn't really seem to have got off

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on a good fit. If those boys are the best he can do, he's not going to be

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a star-spangled president, I don't think. That's one way of putting it!

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But if this is his first inaugural, it will go down in the history books

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and kids will be poring over it in their history books over the next

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40, 50, 60 years, and if it is an inaugural that attempts to bring

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together those divides, then he will be seen as someone who is trying to

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change the dynamic of what his campaign and so far his transition

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has been about, which is that it still has been divisive. After he

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won the presidency he gave some conciliatory remarks. He tried to

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make peace with Hillary. And then in the matter of a few days he was back

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on Twitter sending incendiary tweets, attacking his opponents,

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attacking Hollywood and Meryl Streep, and on and on. So although

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he was able to behave and he'll and be presidential, it didn't take long

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for the old Donald Trump, the performer, the adversarial

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politician, to come to the forefront. People who know him say

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they would be very surprised if the office of the presidency taints him

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now. If we go to the first paper this evening, the daily Mirror, the

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41st president of the United States, and a profile shot of Donald Trump.

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"Now The world holds its breath". And there are pictures of the

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previous 44 presidents of the United States around it. I suppose, Hugh,

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the point Danny is making is that everyone expected Donald Trump as a

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former Governor of New York once said, to campaign in poetry and

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Govan in prose. He hasn't shifted at all. -- govern. No, and you would

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expect it to grow into the office he was about to occupy but there's been

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no sign of that at all. There are two possibilities. One is that he

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felt he needed to retain that character, he needed to retain the

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persona that got him this far, particularly at the inauguration,

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because I could see it would be pretty depressing for some of his

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supporters if up until the point that he won, he was one person, and

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then suddenly he became a completely different person! He spent the whole

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campaign railing against the elite, the politics as usual, so if you

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then sounded like a normal politician suddenly having won, I

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can see a lot of people who support it would start to lose faith, so

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that's one theory, that this is deliberate and that he deliberately

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has kept in character, if you like. The other is that he just can't help

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himself, you can't do it. He's completely incapable. And in that

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case, wow, what an inauguration speech were going to have tomorrow!

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Though supposedly be people writing it down but he might talk about his

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hotels, you might make it up, he might pick a fight with someone in

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the audience! Who knows what's going to happen? But Barack Obama has

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said, and he said this in his press conference yesterday, the weight of

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the presidency, the enormity of the job sobers you up. He seemed to give

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the impression that once that mantle has been placed on Donald Trump's

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shoulders, that he will somehow shift. When we saw Donald Trump

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first next President Obama in the Oval Office, he seemed petrified and

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small and freaked out at the reality. I think in many ways, he's

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this consummate salesman, he was selling this narrative of himself

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throughout the campaign, and when he finally obtained the presidency, he

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could barely believe it. But I also think, like you said, this is a man

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who ran with throwing a bomb at the political establishment and he's

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going to continue along those lines, and so the presidency might tame him

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to some extent but he's Donald Trump. He's not someone who changes

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to go like the wind. He follows his own script and he wants to raise a

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middle finger at the establishment, and I don't think that's going to

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stop just because he becomes president. Well, you work for fake

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news! The New York Times! Be interesting -- the interesting thing

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is that they said they will board with the pictures of Presidents.

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Don't ask me to pick out the one they were talking about, Andrew

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Jackson... Or historical knowledge is better than mine! Andrew Jackson

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was the Donald Trump of his day. He was the plain speaking president for

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the ordinary guy, he was running against the elites and his

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inauguration day was pretty wild. People brought their horses and

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cattle into the White House pretty much! A day that Washington had

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never seen! So there has been a time in the past where they just got fed

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up with what is seen as routine politics and then brought someone in

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to disrupt it all. And then it's gone back to being what we would see

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as being a sane country again. I'm clutching at straws here! But this

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has happened before! Maybe the equilibria will come back after four

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years, maybe not! We might not have to wait! But isn't that what has

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made America great? The fact that it has been willing to throw everything

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up. A sense of innovation, moving forward constantly like a shark,

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like a laser beam. And not becoming what Donald Rumsfeld famously

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described Europe as - old Europe, stained, frosty, no sense of

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innovation. Isn't that what has made America what it is? The fact that it

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can throw up something like Trump? Well, indeed... That is a no! The

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fact that he is in the tradition of the great salesman and a reality TV

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star and he was able to come -- become the president of the United

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States, in some ways it's a decidedly American morality tale,

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but it's not exactly an American dream story. Obama had an American

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dream narrative. He didn't know his father till he was older, he was

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raised by his mother, the first African-American president. I'm not

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sure Donald Trump encompasses that same narrative. He was born with a

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silver spoon in his mouth, he had investments from his father, his own

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company. Paradoxically, he's managed to refashion himself as an everyman,

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as a working-class hero, and that's the great irony of this, but it

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doesn't have the same mood music as the entrance of Obama on the

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political stage. Yes. Let's go back to the Make America Great Again, and

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I think onstage that is the US Army band, the pipers, and they are doing

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Stars And Stripes Forever. After them, it is a guy called Harvey

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Keith. I've heard of him! A country guy, I think! Let's go back to the

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papers. The Times. This is basically Donald's Got Talent, isn't it? Do

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you think you collected these people on the road to Washington? The

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Times, he is the legitimate president of the United States, and

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whatever you think about him, given what we see over the last few days

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in a place like Gambia, is that America can pass the torch in a

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peaceful way to a new administration. And that is

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something to be applauded. Indeed. Past presidents will be there, even

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those who have been sharply critical of him. The only one who won't be is

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George Bush senior, who is unwell. But there will be Bill Clinton, etc,

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and it does speak to the kind of democracy that America is. But, you

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know, I think this will be an important moment for the rest of

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America, for liberal America, because they're really going to have

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to work out what they are for, what they believe. In a way, Trump will

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give them the sharpest definition they can possibly have this is what

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The Times is focusing on. Both in the States here. There are what they

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would see as liberal activists who are already trying to mobilise and

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say it might be four long years but we've got to start now and show that

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we don't think the way Trump does things is the way and we don't want

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this to be the dominant view. The number of times he talks about the

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events taking place in Washington at the same time as the inauguration,

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people who are going to speak at them, including our own columnist,

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just give him a shout out! For which we are grateful. But I think both

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here and in America, we're really going to have to work out what we

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are for and if this is the prevailing wind, what the attack is.

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What is your view on how Democrats will handle Mr Trump? We know what

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Republicans did with Barack Obama - they Froch every turn. Is that what

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the Democrats will do? -- they blocked him. Initially I think they

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will give him the benefit of the doubt. The electoral politics are

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such that the Republicans have both houses and as such they can put

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through their own policies. They will try to conserve Obama's legacy

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as much as possible. But what we're hearing is that they will try, to

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give him the benefit of the doubt, then see what happens, but it's up

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in the air at the moment. Let's go back to Washington. The Make America

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Great Again celebration. And this is Toby Keith, and, as I say, I've

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heard of him. Let's listen in. # I'm an American soldier

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# I'm an American # I've got my brothers and my

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sisters # I stand proud...

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Plenty of that! The Telegraph. Dan, how does this square with him

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wanting to spend 1 trillion on investment projects? Is very

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bizarre, frankly, because he want to spend -- he wanted to spend 1

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billion on infrastructure projects to help everyman, but he's also

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trying to preach smaller government, and if you have a smaller

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government, who is going to deliver these infrastructure projects? So

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it's a typical Trump comment to say one thing and then the opposite. Is

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part of his problem, Hugh, that he's been so specific in what he's going

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to do? I'm going to bring back jobs, I'm going to bring back coal mining,

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I'm going to bring back factories? Whereas past presidents, yes, of

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course on the campaign trail they talk specifics a bit but they don't

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zero in on the gripes, but he has zeroed in on gripes people have and

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he's got to live with that. That will be his problem come Saturday

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morning. It's all very well to have a reality show president who

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promises things... Stop belittling the man! I'm not American, I don't

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have to respect the office! But his promise, as you say, of specific

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things, it's interesting. As fervent as people are now in their support

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of him, that can flip. And one of the ways it can do that is the

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people he has promised things too, when they say, well, we not getting

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those things. The presidency had is a bit of a bully pulpit. It has some

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powers but in many ways the office of Prime Minister here is a more

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powerful job. I'll interject. I think those of us in the liberal

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chamber have been taking him to lightly and when he says he will

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build a wall, maybe you will, but most of the electorate... It

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incorporates that as saying... If you set about coal miner, I'm going

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to give you your job back, you've got to do it, and yet half those

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jobs have gone because of automation, because the Chinese are

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dumping steel, and because it's done cheaper around the rest of the

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world. How do you do that? The angry white man will pay dividends to that

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to some extent and buy him some time, and it doesn't mean he won't

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have to find them jobs, you will. But the fact that the person who

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spoke that language is now in the White House and the music has

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changed... That's really interesting. We have here, we've no

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idea what this guy is going to do. The fact he says one thing, does

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another, he flips, he flops. He's such a loose cannon. Dan, how much

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time has he got? Is it essentially two years before the midterms? I

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think it's going to have to be before two years he's going to have

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to produce some results. They are going to want to see jobs and

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benefits. At the same time, the fact he can channel the anger and be this

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everyman, that will ingratiate him to his base. But he's going to have

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to produce some results very quickly, I would say. The really

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distressing thing about that quote, we've no idea what this man is going

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to do, it came from Joe bidden, in an interview with the New York

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Times. -- Joe Biden. You can't help wondering what might have happened

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if Joe Biden had been the candidate and not Hillary Clinton. Yes, much

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closer to the working class. Finally, farewell, Mr President. The

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only paper not to have Trump on the front. And I suppose the Metro is

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reflecting on what has gone to put into context what's to come. And

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it's also the fact that for many people, President Obama was one of

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the most transformational president since Lincoln, arguably, when you

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think of what you don't -- what he did on Iran, human rights, lesbian

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and gay rights, mobilising the economy after 2008, and what a

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transformational figure he was. I think the Metro is giving some

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credence to his historical legacy. Some argue he didn't do enough with

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the economy that allowed Trump to get in. He had his own personal

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flaws that maybe didn't lend him to the American system. If you think of

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someone like Bill Clinton, who was able to deal with, haggle with,

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negotiate with people who were his political opponents, I never got the

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impression Obama could do that. But if you think about the opposition

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there was to him throughout, and you think of the challenges and the

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state of the economy when he took over, I think he's been an

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exceptional president. I'm not even American and I'm proud of him! But I

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don't think we will see his like again in our lifetime. Thank you to

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both of you. This particular story in front of the papers. And if Mr

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Trump does speak at that Make America Great Again celebration in

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Washington, we will bring it to here on BBC News. But now it's time for

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the

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