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You are watching BBC News. Let's take you straight to Washington,


where they are close to the Lincoln Memorial, and that is the Piano


Guys, and you'd be forgiven for not having heard of them, but they are


taking part in a celebration for the impending inauguration of Donald


Craig Trump. This is -- Donald Jay Trump. These guys are among the


headline acts, as well as Green Day. Part of the reason they are having


this at the moment is all Trump and his inauguration team are attracting


some A-list celebrities to take part in celebrations tomorrow. In fact,


one Hollywood Broadway star, Jennifer Holliday, she's had to pull


out after criticism from the LGB TE community. We are possibly going to


get some words from the man himself, Donald Trump, in the next few


minutes. We will try to bring you that. But in the meantime, as I say,


you are watching the Piano Guys. Serenading a few thousand people


there, I suppose! With me in the studio are our guests for The


Papers. With me are Guardian


columnist Hugh Muir, and Dan Bilefsky from the New York


Times. All the papers are dominated by the


inauguration tomorrow, and as I try to explain, it's been a bit tricky


for the President-elect to get some headline acts. Hugh, his problem,


certainly as far as the inauguration is concerned, is that he's not seen


by some as the of person who should be head of state. But a lot of


people do believe that his presidency, when it begins, is not


getting off on the right foot. Well, who knows what we're going to get?


And one can understand all of these stars who might have normally


expected to be at and inauguration but have decided not to be there. It


doesn't look great on your resume, does it? Serenading President Trump.


On your CV! And canny a West was asked to be there but they said, no,


they will have a traditional American event. Just the tone of the


this presidency. They've been saying this presidency. They've been saying


in a speech tomorrow he will talk about being a president for a united


America, but what we are seeing doesn't really seem to have got off


on a good fit. If those boys are the best he can do, he's not going to be


a star-spangled president, I don't think. That's one way of putting it!


But if this is his first inaugural, it will go down in the history books


and kids will be poring over it in their history books over the next


40, 50, 60 years, and if it is an inaugural that attempts to bring


together those divides, then he will be seen as someone who is trying to


change the dynamic of what his campaign and so far his transition


has been about, which is that it still has been divisive. After he


won the presidency he gave some conciliatory remarks. He tried to


make peace with Hillary. And then in the matter of a few days he was back


on Twitter sending incendiary tweets, attacking his opponents,


attacking Hollywood and Meryl Streep, and on and on. So although


he was able to behave and he'll and be presidential, it didn't take long


for the old Donald Trump, the performer, the adversarial


politician, to come to the forefront. People who know him say


they would be very surprised if the office of the presidency taints him


now. If we go to the first paper this evening, the daily Mirror, the


41st president of the United States, and a profile shot of Donald Trump.


"Now The world holds its breath". And there are pictures of the


previous 44 presidents of the United States around it. I suppose, Hugh,


the point Danny is making is that everyone expected Donald Trump as a


former Governor of New York once said, to campaign in poetry and


Govan in prose. He hasn't shifted at all. -- govern. No, and you would


expect it to grow into the office he was about to occupy but there's been


no sign of that at all. There are two possibilities. One is that he


felt he needed to retain that character, he needed to retain the


persona that got him this far, particularly at the inauguration,


because I could see it would be pretty depressing for some of his


supporters if up until the point that he won, he was one person, and


then suddenly he became a completely different person! He spent the whole


campaign railing against the elite, the politics as usual, so if you


then sounded like a normal politician suddenly having won, I


can see a lot of people who support it would start to lose faith, so


that's one theory, that this is deliberate and that he deliberately


has kept in character, if you like. The other is that he just can't help


himself, you can't do it. He's completely incapable. And in that


case, wow, what an inauguration speech were going to have tomorrow!


Though supposedly be people writing it down but he might talk about his


hotels, you might make it up, he might pick a fight with someone in


the audience! Who knows what's going to happen? But Barack Obama has


said, and he said this in his press conference yesterday, the weight of


the presidency, the enormity of the job sobers you up. He seemed to give


the impression that once that mantle has been placed on Donald Trump's


shoulders, that he will somehow shift. When we saw Donald Trump


first next President Obama in the Oval Office, he seemed petrified and


small and freaked out at the reality. I think in many ways, he's


this consummate salesman, he was selling this narrative of himself


throughout the campaign, and when he finally obtained the presidency, he


could barely believe it. But I also think, like you said, this is a man


who ran with throwing a bomb at the political establishment and he's


going to continue along those lines, and so the presidency might tame him


to some extent but he's Donald Trump. He's not someone who changes


to go like the wind. He follows his own script and he wants to raise a


middle finger at the establishment, and I don't think that's going to


stop just because he becomes president. Well, you work for fake


news! The New York Times! Be interesting -- the interesting thing


is that they said they will board with the pictures of Presidents.


Don't ask me to pick out the one they were talking about, Andrew


Jackson... Or historical knowledge is better than mine! Andrew Jackson


was the Donald Trump of his day. He was the plain speaking president for


the ordinary guy, he was running against the elites and his


inauguration day was pretty wild. People brought their horses and


cattle into the White House pretty much! A day that Washington had


never seen! So there has been a time in the past where they just got fed


up with what is seen as routine politics and then brought someone in


to disrupt it all. And then it's gone back to being what we would see


as being a sane country again. I'm clutching at straws here! But this


has happened before! Maybe the equilibria will come back after four


years, maybe not! We might not have to wait! But isn't that what has


made America great? The fact that it has been willing to throw everything


up. A sense of innovation, moving forward constantly like a shark,


like a laser beam. And not becoming what Donald Rumsfeld famously


described Europe as - old Europe, stained, frosty, no sense of


innovation. Isn't that what has made America what it is? The fact that it


can throw up something like Trump? Well, indeed... That is a no! The


fact that he is in the tradition of the great salesman and a reality TV


star and he was able to come -- become the president of the United


States, in some ways it's a decidedly American morality tale,


but it's not exactly an American dream story. Obama had an American


dream narrative. He didn't know his father till he was older, he was


raised by his mother, the first African-American president. I'm not


sure Donald Trump encompasses that same narrative. He was born with a


silver spoon in his mouth, he had investments from his father, his own


company. Paradoxically, he's managed to refashion himself as an everyman,


as a working-class hero, and that's the great irony of this, but it


doesn't have the same mood music as the entrance of Obama on the


political stage. Yes. Let's go back to the Make America Great Again, and


I think onstage that is the US Army band, the pipers, and they are doing


Stars And Stripes Forever. After them, it is a guy called Harvey


Keith. I've heard of him! A country guy, I think! Let's go back to the


papers. The Times. This is basically Donald's Got Talent, isn't it? Do


you think you collected these people on the road to Washington? The


Times, he is the legitimate president of the United States, and


whatever you think about him, given what we see over the last few days


in a place like Gambia, is that America can pass the torch in a


peaceful way to a new administration. And that is


something to be applauded. Indeed. Past presidents will be there, even


those who have been sharply critical of him. The only one who won't be is


George Bush senior, who is unwell. But there will be Bill Clinton, etc,


and it does speak to the kind of democracy that America is. But, you


know, I think this will be an important moment for the rest of


America, for liberal America, because they're really going to have


to work out what they are for, what they believe. In a way, Trump will


give them the sharpest definition they can possibly have this is what


The Times is focusing on. Both in the States here. There are what they


would see as liberal activists who are already trying to mobilise and


say it might be four long years but we've got to start now and show that


we don't think the way Trump does things is the way and we don't want


this to be the dominant view. The number of times he talks about the


events taking place in Washington at the same time as the inauguration,


people who are going to speak at them, including our own columnist,


just give him a shout out! For which we are grateful. But I think both


here and in America, we're really going to have to work out what we


are for and if this is the prevailing wind, what the attack is.


What is your view on how Democrats will handle Mr Trump? We know what


Republicans did with Barack Obama - they Froch every turn. Is that what


the Democrats will do? -- they blocked him. Initially I think they


will give him the benefit of the doubt. The electoral politics are


such that the Republicans have both houses and as such they can put


through their own policies. They will try to conserve Obama's legacy


as much as possible. But what we're hearing is that they will try, to


give him the benefit of the doubt, then see what happens, but it's up


in the air at the moment. Let's go back to Washington. The Make America


Great Again celebration. And this is Toby Keith, and, as I say, I've


heard of him. Let's listen in. # I'm an American soldier


# I'm an American # I've got my brothers and my


sisters # I stand proud...


Plenty of that! The Telegraph. Dan, how does this square with him


wanting to spend 1 trillion on investment projects? Is very


bizarre, frankly, because he want to spend -- he wanted to spend 1


billion on infrastructure projects to help everyman, but he's also


trying to preach smaller government, and if you have a smaller


government, who is going to deliver these infrastructure projects? So


it's a typical Trump comment to say one thing and then the opposite. Is


part of his problem, Hugh, that he's been so specific in what he's going


to do? I'm going to bring back jobs, I'm going to bring back coal mining,


I'm going to bring back factories? Whereas past presidents, yes, of


course on the campaign trail they talk specifics a bit but they don't


zero in on the gripes, but he has zeroed in on gripes people have and


he's got to live with that. That will be his problem come Saturday


morning. It's all very well to have a reality show president who


promises things... Stop belittling the man! I'm not American, I don't


have to respect the office! But his promise, as you say, of specific


things, it's interesting. As fervent as people are now in their support


of him, that can flip. And one of the ways it can do that is the


people he has promised things too, when they say, well, we not getting


those things. The presidency had is a bit of a bully pulpit. It has some


powers but in many ways the office of Prime Minister here is a more


powerful job. I'll interject. I think those of us in the liberal


chamber have been taking him to lightly and when he says he will


build a wall, maybe you will, but most of the electorate... It


incorporates that as saying... If you set about coal miner, I'm going


to give you your job back, you've got to do it, and yet half those


jobs have gone because of automation, because the Chinese are


dumping steel, and because it's done cheaper around the rest of the


world. How do you do that? The angry white man will pay dividends to that


to some extent and buy him some time, and it doesn't mean he won't


have to find them jobs, you will. But the fact that the person who


spoke that language is now in the White House and the music has


changed... That's really interesting. We have here, we've no


idea what this guy is going to do. The fact he says one thing, does


another, he flips, he flops. He's such a loose cannon. Dan, how much


time has he got? Is it essentially two years before the midterms? I


think it's going to have to be before two years he's going to have


to produce some results. They are going to want to see jobs and


benefits. At the same time, the fact he can channel the anger and be this


everyman, that will ingratiate him to his base. But he's going to have


to produce some results very quickly, I would say. The really


distressing thing about that quote, we've no idea what this man is going


to do, it came from Joe bidden, in an interview with the New York


Times. -- Joe Biden. You can't help wondering what might have happened


if Joe Biden had been the candidate and not Hillary Clinton. Yes, much


closer to the working class. Finally, farewell, Mr President. The


only paper not to have Trump on the front. And I suppose the Metro is


reflecting on what has gone to put into context what's to come. And


it's also the fact that for many people, President Obama was one of


the most transformational president since Lincoln, arguably, when you


think of what you don't -- what he did on Iran, human rights, lesbian


and gay rights, mobilising the economy after 2008, and what a


transformational figure he was. I think the Metro is giving some


credence to his historical legacy. Some argue he didn't do enough with


the economy that allowed Trump to get in. He had his own personal


flaws that maybe didn't lend him to the American system. If you think of


someone like Bill Clinton, who was able to deal with, haggle with,


negotiate with people who were his political opponents, I never got the


impression Obama could do that. But if you think about the opposition


there was to him throughout, and you think of the challenges and the


state of the economy when he took over, I think he's been an


exceptional president. I'm not even American and I'm proud of him! But I


don't think we will see his like again in our lifetime. Thank you to


both of you. This particular story in front of the papers. And if Mr


Trump does speak at that Make America Great Again celebration in


Washington, we will bring it to here on BBC News. But now it's time for




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