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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are the Guardian's Chief leader writer Randeep

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Ramesh and Lucy Fisher, Chief Political Correspondent

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Good to have you both. Let's look at the front pages.

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Fortress America is the Metro's headline -

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after President Trump signed an executive order to build a wall

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The i previews Theresa May's upcoming visit to the United States,

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with the paper describing it as "tricky".

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The Guardian says the Prime Minister will seek a "special deal"

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with the new president during what the paper calls

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The FT says Donald Trump's moves on infrastructure and deregulation

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have reignited investor confidence in the US economy.

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The Times has an RAF Typhoon escorting a Russian aircraft carrier

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through the English Channel on its way back from deployment in Syria.

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According to the Telegraph, Southern Rail could be temporarily

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renationalised under government plans to deal with delays

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And finally, the Express says mushrooms could be a vital tool

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We will not be looking at that front page. We shall go to the Metro.

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Fortress America, Trump signs the order for the Mexico wall set to ban

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migrants from seven nations. Holding true to his promise? Absolutely,

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quite a surprise for many commentators who thought he would be

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more moderate. Within a matter of days, he has signed a number of

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executive orders and as well as building the small, it is unclear

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how this will be paid for. He said that torture works, he has lifted

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the ban on CIA blackspot presents... Well... I discussion paper suggests

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that he was going to ask the security services to look into

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whether it might be worth that. The White House has made clear it is not

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a White House document. But he said torture works. There is a signal of

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intent, paving the way. They are putting this up there as a kite?

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That is what people think. And there is this outlandish investigation

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into voter fraud, which seems slightly bizarre given that he has

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one. There are lot of peeves coming from Mr Trump since the top job. And

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he won the election, he got the requisite college votes, electoral

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College votes, why is he worrying about voter fraud? Fortress America,

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building this wall, building this wall, this man has not pivoted to

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the kind of President that many people thought he might have done

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now that he is in the Oval Office? Yes, he campaigned in mendacity and

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will govern in moderation. Sticking true to what he is, he has a divider

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not a unifier, his base wants to hold on to those pledges about

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closing immigration, shutting down trade with the rest of the world and

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fighting radical Islam, as he describes it. In many ways these are

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the kind of darker sides of Donald Trump's Presidency which she is

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unleashing. It is what people voted for? It is what they wanted? The

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majority of Americans did not vote for him, the electoral college gave

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him that. It is a system that he won as no one says he is an illegitimate

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President. Actually, many people are! You're not. His paranoia is

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more troubling, a person who gets upset about a discussion about his

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inauguration crowds and then instructs his press spokesperson

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tonight to members of the press on the first day of his Presidency is a

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person who is probably too thin-skinned for high office. He

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might grow a thicker skin but he would help all of us by hurrying up.

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He is 70! If you haven't learned by then. Lucy, having heard all of

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that, Theresa May on a mission to seek a special deal with the

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President. Given his character, he is in real estate, some people think

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he still is in real estate! He hasn't given any up. Zero some, I

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win and you lose. How can you have a trade deal with someone being a

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country who was like that? You lose and I win? How is Theresa May going

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to get the kind of deal that will benefit the UK? It is very difficult

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to see that working. He clearly said America first, this is about

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American jobs and the order is like the pipelines indicator, only

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American steel will be used. He is holding true to that cry. Economic

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protectionism. Even today at PMQs, Theresa May said UK interest and

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values first. It is interesting how they can dovetail. Very vague

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language, with trade there can be prosperity, growth, more jobs on

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both sides of the Atlantic. It is tricky, one thing we can say is

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Donald Trump, because Imex making these deals, he wants to keep up his

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reputation for results, there could be leverage, perhaps before the

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midterms, wanting to sign something. It is about horse trading, a trade

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deal, you get something and we get something and we are happy. You have

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painted a portrait of his character. Is that the kind of character that

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is going to be able to compromise here? And make the kind of deal that

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is going to benefit everyone? Any transaction is a compromise to some

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respect because you have done a deal and if you can see advantage in the

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deal and then promote that advantage as a PR win, both sides can win. You

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sell the deal. That is part of the deal. The trouble with Donald Trump

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is everything seems to be a transaction. There doesn't seem...

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You would hope with someone who seeks to attain the leadership of

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the free world, they would have some moral baseline upon which they don't

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fall below. With him, everything seems to be up for grabs. There is a

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trapdoor! There is nothing beyond the boundaries, from lock them up,

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send them home... It is a dangerous place to be in a democracy because

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democracy is one on trust and autocracy is here and Donald Trump

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often runs towards here. We have seen all of that on the campaign

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trail and a little bit in the last few days, Lucy. What about the

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sexism and racism and, as you pointed out, the possibility that

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they might reopen these black sites around the world? Freedom of speech.

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Attacks on the press. All the kind of stuff that the British or at

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least certainly the government would think are a part of who we are as a

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nation, freedom of speech and so on. This band is not believe in a lot of

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that, potentially. How does Theresa May deal with all of that? It is

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tricky, she has been very strident talking on The Andrew Marr Show, I

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am not afraid to tell Donald Trump what is unacceptable. She does not

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really hold the cards, America does. We are leaving the EU, we need a

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trade deal more than the US. She is at risk of going in and even if

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there is positive mood music from this charm offensive this week, what

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is to say he won't treat next week, Theresa May- loser. As he has done

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with virtually everyone else he has met over the years. He has turned on

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them online. The omens are not good. The major foreign policy decisions,

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Nato and the encroachment of Russia and Brexit, he is in favour of

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Brexit, which is incredibly difficult to deliver on anybody's

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terms and he thinks Nato is obsolete and he wants to embrace Russia. Not

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good signs for a British Prime Minister. Whatever she talks

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about... We have cut ourselves off from Europe and it is a bit like the

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Secretary of State saying we have lost an empire and were searching

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for our role in the world. When Theresa May goes back to Number 10

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and somebody shouts 8- did you talk about his sexism comments? She will

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have to say something? Isn't she? Like she took him to task and that?

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It seems like Number 10 has been styling the lines on this. The fact

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I am a female Prime Minister. I will be sitting there in the room with

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him, but will show him that women can lead. I am not sure she is going

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to tackle him head-on in the first meeting. Quite unlikely. The other

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story is Southern Rail. The franchise at risk of being

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renationalised? This will come as any surprise to anyone because it is

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the worst performing operator on the old British Gas service. Only 46% of

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trains running on time in the past month and this is fallout from this

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strike. About how many guards and people should be working on a train,

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a driverless train. The problem at this is the government loses both

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ways, if they renationalised this the unions claim victory, if they

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let it run, they get a beating in the heartland, where people are not

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getting a decent service. I have to say, Chris Grayling, the minister,

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has a history of not being a very effective minister, I will say that.

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That has been one of his downfall in government. This might prove

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another. It is Hobson 's choice. It doesn't put him into a winning

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position, whichever he takes. Grammar schools on the front page of

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the Telegraph. But grammar stream in every school to help bright pupils,

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according to the head of UCAS? I am not sure how but grammar stream

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would be different to the streaming that already happens in most schools

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and I suppose the point that the outgoing Chief Executive is trying

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to make but without saying so is that we don't want a social economic

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ghetto with rich areas with grammar schools and middle-class people

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moving in because the catchment area has become so expensive and poor

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areas with worse girls, perhaps it was not the same level of

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achievement. I can only assume this is what this means otherwise it is

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just supercharged streaming. What is new in that? It is a cultural thing.

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There is called, they would follow traditional academic curriculum is

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and where behavioural norms could be taken for granted. There is a

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sanctuary within the rough and tumble of comprehensive schools that

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she seems to be advocating as though there is this place for Latin and

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violent players! It is a cultural thing. Interesting. The Telegraph is

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the only paper that seems to have that story. Interesting to see how

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that develops. Who is that bruiser on the front of The Daily Telegraph?

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Some sort of drunken sailor? He has had quite a bit to drink? No, Mary

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Berry! Looking very combative after having won a national award! Good on

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her! Named the best television judge at the national television awards.

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That is so great, she is so elegant on television, on The Great British

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Bake Off. And here it comes out! Raging against the machine! Good on

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her! I think she has either find out that The Great British Bake Off is

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going to Channel 4 or she has decided, you know what, I will not

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get involved myself! Staying with the BBC! I think that is what it is!

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It could be her next pay check! She has got a pay rise. Probably the

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only one! Good to see both of you. Many thanks for that.

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Don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online

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It's all there for you - seven days a week -

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And if you miss the programme any evening you can watch it

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