01/02/2017 The Papers


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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are Susie Boniface, columnist at the Mirror,

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and Michael Booker, the Deputy Editor of The Express.

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Tomorrow's front pages, starting with...

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The Daily Express, which campaigned for the UK

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to leave the European Union, is in jubilant mood and it's

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summed in its headline: "Now We're On Our Way Out

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The Daily Mail also backed Brexit and calls the Government win a

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crushing vote. It has the statue of Winston Churchill on the front page.

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The Metro is more neutral in its tone on its front

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The "i" says Britain has taken a step into the unknown and we face

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a bitter fight with Brussels over a ?50 billion divorce settlement.

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The Times reports that Tory MPs are threatening to rebel over Brexit

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unless Theresa May guarantees the right of EU citizens to stay in

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Britain. According to the Guardian, Labour

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has its own problems, with a fifth of MPs defying Jeremy Corbyn and

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voting against the triggering of Article 50.

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We will put up the front pages of two of the leading Brexit

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newspapers, you could say. The Daily Mail, there it is. And the Express.

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The two, side-by-side. There you go. The Daily Mail: We have liftoff. We

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did it first. It was you that won it. 2010 we started that crusade.

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400,000 readers of the Daily Express, and we know our readers,

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that is why we do this, sent in coupons to the paper. We deliver

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them to Downing Street, we wanted a referendum, they wanted a

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referendum, the readers. They will be very pleased, I believe, tomorrow

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morning to read the paper. Susie, there are a lot of people who won't

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be pleased. But regardless of how he voted, we are all Brexiting now. We

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should not continue the division. What is interesting, with all due

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respect, is that the hyperbole that the newspapers have, saying, this is

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an amazing victory, the Article 50 cases dreadful, and all the rest of

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it, no, this is not even the start of something. This is a blow to

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agree that Theresa May can ask for the permission to trigger a process

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that might or might not end... You know, this kind of headline, you

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could have had. The readers of the Express and the Daily Mail know it

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will take a bit of work. I think everyone thinks it's a done deal,

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and it isn't. I think they would like to see that there is some

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movement finally happening. When this takes a year, or another year,

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what happens? The hyperbole has built people up, and if it doesn't

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happen... Isn't that what tabloid papers do? Where is my gavel? Could

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I interject a concept here? Isn't the point of today's vote that we

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are leaving the European Union? No. Up to this point, we could turn

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back. Theresa May has to go to the European Council and officially say

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we're leaving. This gives her the permission. It gives the right to

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trigger Article 50. What today is about is the fact that Parliament

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said to Theresa May, you cannot use the royal prerogative, the ancient

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right of kings and queens in this country, to pass a law. That is what

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the whole Article 50 court case was about, and for the first time in

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over three centuries, the Prime Minister... It was a done deal

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anyway. IQ suggesting, Suzy, that at some point down the line, when the

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negotiations turned to rubbish, and it is all dreadful, we have to pay

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back ?50 billion, we will somehow decide, we have to have another

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referendum? No. That is my point. Today, it means we're leaving the

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EU. The referendum was merely advisory. Though were all those

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caveats that are now gone. We're leaving, which is why this is such a

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big day. What has not been approved as the method. That will be the

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biggest hurdle. Absolutely. We heard the likes of Anna Soubry, who was a

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remainer from the Tories, talking about a meaningful vote at the end

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of the process, so we know there will be more hurdles. For these two

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newspapers, it is legitimate to have these headlines. Even the "i", at

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the very top of their paper, they said: We're off - Britain takes step

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into the unknown. The same papers said the same things last year.

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Suzy, as the "i" says, this is a step into the unknown. When you get

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divorced, this is the time... Someone says, I think you should go.

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It doesn't quite know what its readers feel. Unlike the Express,

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which knows its readers. Well, we do. You're the man!

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Mr Dacre, what's going on there? Let's go to the Times, because this

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is interesting. We're going to reflect perhaps on Labour's

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problems, but the Conservatives, a fabulous day it would seem for the

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majority of those MPs, but Theresa May faces Tory revolt after MPs back

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Brexit. What do they want? Reassurance that the 3.3 million EU

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citizens living in Britain will be allowed to stay. Theresa May is

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holding them as a bargaining chip against all the Brits living in the

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EU at the moment. These Tory MPs, and I think they are going to throw

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things in the spokes all the way along, Anna Soubry has said there

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needs to be a meaningful vote, and people like her and Nicky Morgan

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will keep coming out with these things. Yes, we are on the way, but

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there will be problems, and this is key. Have there been any Tory

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amendments tabled? Don't think so. So this will be pressure behind the

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scenes? It seems to be, but we don't know yet. We have had these people

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in the debate so far. They are saying, we're not happy and we want

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a proper vote. The Tories are massively split ideological year of

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Europe for 30 or 40 years, and they are still split in the same ways,

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it's just that now the boot is on the other foot and now it is the act

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wrenches -- the back benches. The Tories are tearing themselves apart.

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Labour even more so. When it comes to parties tearing themselves apart,

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perhaps Labour, Suzy, is in a real bind. A fifth of Labour MPs, the

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front page of the Guardian, the Fai Jeremy Corbyn, a man -- defy Jeremy

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Corbyn, a man who has defied his own party many times. It is a massive

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headache for him. He has to have another reachable. I'm not even sure

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he finished the last one, so that will be interesting. Labour has

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traditionally been a coalition of different bits of society, if you

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like. It has had the working class, poorer paid people, the proper old

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Labour, as it would be known. Then there is the new Labour side of

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things, slightly more middle-class, more well-heeled, public sector

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workers, perhaps. And they find that those two halves probably go to

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different ways in the referendum, and they are probably finding that

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those two areas are under attack by the Tories or UK, so how do you get

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them back under the same umbrella? In the current climate, it is

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incredibly difficult. Corbyn, to be fair, has an almost impossible job,

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but he's making such a complete mess of it and cannot control his party

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or convince them that he has a grand plan as to how to get through the

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next 5-10 years, or how to become Prime Minister. The headline seems

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to be this doom for Labour thing, but it feels like that has gone on

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for a couple of years. This whole thing is deepening the cracks. He

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will reshuffle and then we will have a different bunch of no marks in

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there. Labour are making such a complete mess of things, no one is

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really noticing and a Tory backbenchers who are agitating and

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may begin a rebel against Theresa May are easier to hold in check,

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they don't get as much TV time. It doesn't seem quite as bad for

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Theresa May. At PMQs, again, Jeremy Corbyn had an open goal is to hit,

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and he didn't do it. Does it make any sense, given everything you

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describe brilliantly about the Big ten, Labour having all these

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different sections of society and different points of view, trying to

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keep it together, did it make sense to come down on one side of this and

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not allow MPs a free vote? No, it was stupid. Corbyn should be saying

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we are a big tent. We have remainers and leave sufferers -- and levers.

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Labour has this huge dichotomy, as does the country, and what you need

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in an opposition party at this stage is a clear message. I genuinely

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think, whether Labour had, for or against remain orally, it would have

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done much better and we would have had a proper opposition. Diane

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Abbott didn't make the vote tonight. Her constituency voted to remain. I

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hope she gets well soon. We are moving away from Brexit to another

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world war, someone is suggesting. Trump to put Teheran on notice after

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missile test. Do you suggest some skulduggery here? It is not, it is

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just ineptitude. Buffoonery. Trump has said that Obama's nuclear deal

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with Teheran and lifting sanctions in order for them to ease back on

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nuclear power revelation was ridiculous -- nuclear proliferation.

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What has happened now is that his security adviser, Michael Flynn, has

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said that Iran has been acting up, doing various bits of insurgency

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tactics and things the Americans don't like, boarding frigates and so

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on, so we are going to tell you off, basically. He has put them on

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notice, gave no details about how that would happen. It is basically

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an empty threat. Then Sean Spicer, he said the president wanted to sure

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the Iranians understood we are not going to sit by and not act, then

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didn't act. Do you really think Donald Trump is going to say, all

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right Ayatollah... These are not scary, they are just bad. At the

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same time, he labelled Iran as a threat and he's making it clear that

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he is keeping an eye on them. It is what his supporters want. We hope we

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are going to say that he knows what he's doing at some point. We hope

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that is the case. Michael Flynn is very hawkish in himself anyway.

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Donald Trump is saying these things, and it is so vague as a statement

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that it could almost be a declaration of war are just finger

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wagging. We don't know what level to take from Donald Trump at the

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moment. If you have HN, you are going to get a smack on it by

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somebody. America has been this super power for so long and wants to

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rattle Bebear's cage. If you look for a fight, someone will eventually

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say, all right, I will take you in handicaps. A very good analogy.

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Meanwhile, in France... Let's go to the front page of the Independent.

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Marine Le Pen is riding high in the polls. She is extending the lead,

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particularly against the fact that the right-wing candidate who was

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likely to do very well, Fillon, is an mired in -- is mired up in a

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scandal. She clearly seems to be the world think she's clothing and seems

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to be trying to adopt the softness of policy and image as well. You

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hope to God that the French see through it. At the moment, it seems

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to be building up. She is on a populist way. There was a popular

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French newspaper editor sometime last year that might have said the

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same thing about Nigel Farage in the UK. The parties are slightly

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different, to be honest. I am not Ukip voter. The upshot is, there is

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very real possibility, probably for the first time in history, of the

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far right - not the first time in history, don't want to go back to

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World War II - doing very well in the election of potentially winning.

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The Europe has a nasty habit of voting in the far right will stop --

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the far right. Finally, to send you all to bed with a nice rosy glow,

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someone is having twins. What do I say now? Clive didn't want to do

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this story. The interesting thing is, she announced her pregnancy in

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the style... When I announced that I put the baby scan on Facebook. She

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announced that by stripping down to her smalls, putting a yellow net

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curtain over her head, posing in front of what looked like a funeral

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wreath and releasing it on Instagram. And some people haven't

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putted on the front page. 'S! Al tell you what is frightening, Ed

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Balls. Front page of the Metro. Everyone likes him now. Maybe you

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will put them on the front of your newspaper. He was not a pin-up. He

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said, if I was trying to get back into politics, I wouldn't have worn

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a yellow suit. It is not a definite. He might be back, folks. He is

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flirting with us. Silence! Thanks for looking at the stories behind

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the headlines. It was a pleasure. Before we go, these front pages have

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come in while we've been on air. The FT leads on the votes to trigger

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Brexit. The Sun leads with the story of a judge who was furious with a

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woman who was called before the court for calling a man a pussy. If

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you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it endlessly on

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iPlayer. I do. I don't! Goodbye. Good evening. We are monitoring

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developments in the Atlantic closely. There is a potential storm

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for Friday. Thursday will be wet and windy enough for

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