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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are political commentator James Millar.

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And editorial director of the Sunday Times, Eleanor Mills.

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The front pages. I was going to tell you about the Sunday Times but that

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is the Observer. We will be talking about their story

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in our review. The Sunday Telegraph, Trump accuses Barack Obama. And Tony

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Blair's a story about a secret meeting about being a Middle East

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envoy. We are back to the Sunday Times. Stop business cuts to save

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the NHS says... Theresa May has been warned. And the Sunday express

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newspaper claims nearly ?150 million from the health budget was spent on

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overseas aid last year. Let's begin. We might have more

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success talking about it than watching the graphics! The Sunday

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Times. A traditional Sunday before the budget, hand-out from the

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Treasury, as to what they will do. What they are not going to do. The

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Chancellor Philip Hammond, it is looking like a fairly dull budget, I

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would say. 500 million for skills, which I do not think is terribly new

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and 1.3 billion to combat the social care crisis, which I think probably

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a lot will claim is not enough, all of which will be funded by Mork ats.

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How much room does he have to manoeuvre? Because the economy is

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doing better than people thought it was, he has a bit more than he

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thought stop he has 27 billion he thought he would not have and he

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said he will build up a war chest of 60 billion said that if there is any

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turbulence when we come out of the EU, he has a fighting fund. He wrote

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an article for the Sunday Times in which he talks about what he is

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trying to do. Saying after we leave the EU, we will need more skilled

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workers in the UK, we won't be able to import them. This is part of the

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big package about the other big story today, about T-levels, a

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replacement for A-levels. In his article in our comment pages he

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talks about how this is skilling up the nation and having a war chest in

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reserve. The piece is full of all those lovely cliches Chancellor 's

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love. Such as an economy that works for everyone. You could do

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Chancellor bingo. Also, I want to ensure the next generation is

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equipped to take advantage of opportunities. And he talks about

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needing an economy that competes with the world on the basis of

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superior talent and skills. I wanted to pick up on the T-levels. When I

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was young, you had a choice, to go to a technical college all the more

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academic route and we had lots of people the skills and we have lost

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that. What is interesting about T-levels, it is not a new policy and

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it shows how little he will announce because he is re-announcing this and

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giving it a new title of T-levels. They think they will pay people to

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stay in technical education, that now you get help from the government

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if you go to university and a loan, and people who stay doing technical

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qualifications until they are 19 will get the same financial support.

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There is a shift in emphasis. Our technical education is a joke and

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always has been. The fact they realise it will be crucial I think

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is important. They are talking the talk. I spoke to the schools

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minister and Labour front bench about this issue which is why I know

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it is not new. The question with this is you can talk the talk, you

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have got to walk the walk and that will cost cash. It does not happen

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tomorrow. You could put the exams in next year but it will take years for

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the young people to go through. I want to go to the front page of the

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Mail on Sunday newspaper. Tony Blair and a secret summit. I am going to

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spoil it for you. It says Mr Blair has made no such pitch to be the

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President's Middle East envoy neither has he had discussions on

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taking a role for the new president. He has been working on the peace

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process for ten years and does it in a private capacity and will continue

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to do it that way. That is a spokesperson for Tony Blair. We were

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discussing before we came on air. James said, where is paragraph 24

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when they say, not sure. It is not in the story but it has come later

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but still something interesting. What is interesting is the contacts

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between Tony Blair and Donald Trump's son-in-law. Ivanka Trump is

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friends with Tony Blair. They are part of a circle. There has been a

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series of meeting, definitely. This statement is interesting. It would

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make sense for Tony Blair who has been leading a Middle East policy

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for seven years to be briefing the person who will be leading on that

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for the White House with the Israelis. And this man of courses

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and Orthodox Jew. It would be understandable for him to speak to

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Tony Blair about what is going on. If you look at the rebuttal by the

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spokesperson and the language, he has made no such pitch to be the

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President's Middle East envoy, neither has he had discussions about

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taking such a role. It does not mean... The meetings have definitely

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happen. Contacts are being made. It does not fit with the big speech he

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made about Brexit, saying populism is on the rise and he will stand up

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for anti-Brexit, and now he is trying to be friendly with the

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Donald Trump White House when Donald Trump Brexit are often bracketed

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together as manifestations of the same food on -- same phenomenon.

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Blair was speaking at a big liberal elite powwow where George Osborne

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attended. We have heard about the manoeuvres by George Osborne and

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Tony Blair to maybe set up a more Pro-remain party and so it is

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interesting in the residue. We heard about the big beasts out of office

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who are now back in. Tony Blair loves America. He has always been

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slightly dazzled by America. Not just America. American presidents.

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He loves a bit of the west wing. The Telegraph, are the -- the ordering,

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he says, of the tapping of phones before the election in October. This

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is Donald Trump on Twitter. On a Saturday morning. Really early in

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the morning. Every Saturday morning. Manna from Heaven for the Sunday

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papers because we know every Sunday there will be Donald Trump on

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Twitter doing something amazing. This time he accuses Obama of

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tapping phones in Trump Tower. There is a slightly weaselly denial from

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Obama's Lott saying presidents can never ordered directly wiretaps, not

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saying it. It is a judicial issue, tapping wires. Exactly. He will not

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say where the information came from. The Obama team have a solid defence.

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Saying the president cannot do this. It is not up to him. It is not to

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say somebody didn't approve it and it did not happen somewhere but

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Obama seems to be in the clear and the bottom line is, if you look at

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Obama and Donald Trump, who would you trust? It is pretty

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straightforward. I read the only possible place it would come from is

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Breitbart News. Trump was reading a story on Breitbart News which is

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when he started tweeting. The background is Donald Trump and his

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people are furious at what they see Obamacare's or the Democrat

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influence in the security services linking this stuff about Russia.

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Donald Trump did not endear himself to the security services when he

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arrived. Probably a mistake. I think we said that at the time. With what

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is coming out it invariably turns out to be true and people need to

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know. He has lost his national security adviser and his Attorney

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General is having to retreat. Trump had a tantrum in the oval office

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according to a report because of that. How could he have an Attorney

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General scene to be not telling the truth on over? We could do the whole

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half-hour on Donald Trump. The Observer. The watchdog probe over

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data misuse. A hot topic. Is this exciting enough to be a splash? Do

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those stories get you excited? Particularly the way it is written.

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It is obscure. It is a bit wonky. A quick summary. The Observer have

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followed this, a company who they say make grandiose claims. To be

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fair to them it is often the Observer making grandiose claims. It

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is the idea that to hoover up all your Facebook likes and online

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activity and they can work out what sort of person you are, how you are

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likely to vote, and what messages you are susceptible to and they

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pushed the messages to you. That is the modern world. It is a bit of

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that social media, be afraid. I do not think they can change

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people'sbrains via the media. But there are issues about data

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protection and issues that need to be investigated. If you like

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something on Facebook, should the Donald Trump team, the Tories,

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Labour, whoever see that? You get things popping up because you looked

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at a holiday somewhere. The Times newspaper had a story about those

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adverts popping up on all sorts of things, car videos, Islamic State

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videos. The way you are tracked around the internet is fascinating

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but I do not think it is good on that that where the Observer has

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been good is analysing the ecosystem of fake news and how they drench the

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internet with right wing propaganda and fed it. Most people, I am

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thinking about my mother, they would not know that is being thrown up. In

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journalistic terms, the case of the presentation of this, it is as clear

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as mud what they are after. The key to Facebook and the reason people

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believe the stories is it becomes from friends and family, not because

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it is a computer saying this is a story you are interested in. We are

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in trouble. We need to go to Facebook! The Sunday Times. This

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will provoke a lot of comment. Jenni Murray said changing sex cannot make

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a real woman and the quote, too many men who changed sex model themselves

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on the male view of what a woman should be. I'm sorry, I am the

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editor of the Sunday Times Magazine and it is in my magazine today, by

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Jenni Murray, the trans, be proud, but do not call yourself a real

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woman is the headline. It came from a discussion we had when I was on

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Woman's Hour. We were talking about this. There is disquiet among quite

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a lot of women about men who change themselves physically into a female

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form and then claim to be women. What Jenni Murray argues in this

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piece is there is a history of becoming a woman which is often

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about being treated as a second-class citizen, not having the

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same rights as men, being judged on your appearance, not being listened

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to. She says when men transition to become women, a lot of them, not

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all, have no idea about the sexual politics, feminism, some of the

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battles women have had to get them where they are. She mentions female

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vicars and a man who had been a vicar who became... Had a sex change

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and became a female vicar and who paid absolutely no attention, did

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not pay tribute to the women who campaigned hard within the church to

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allow that to be possible. She is not saying they should not change.

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She is not being like Jermaine Gray, saying they are fake women in that

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rather crude way, she goes out of her way to attack that -- Greer. It

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is talking about what it means to be a woman and how you get there and

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how these men do not necessarily understand. It will be interesting

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to hear from these men if they feel that when they become women. A lot

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of the men, in the magazine piece, they do agree with Jenni Murray and

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say having lived as women they understand there is a whole thing

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around being a woman they have not understood, which is why it is an

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interesting piece. Transgender people do know something about

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struggle. A different struggle, but I don't think... You certainly have

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to be careful about dismissing the unique problems they have is a

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community and in terms of getting to where they are now. Jenni Murray is

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not doing that, she is saying a lot of the men who transition do not

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have a particularly good understanding of a lot of women's

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issues and she is specific about what she is talking about. We will

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leave that because we want to get to the big story of the morning. The

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cauliflower! This is exciting new and it has excited me because I like

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cauliflower. Do you, James? Take it or leave it but I don't like farmers

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having to plough up the field because the cauliflowers have not

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been eaten. This is the cauliflower fathers of Thanet. -- farmers of

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Thanet. They said they will have to plough their lovely cauliflowers

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back because there is a glut of cauliflowers because it has been so

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warm. Lots of cauliflowers from -- on British shells from Spain. This

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is a plea for British people to buy British cauliflowers and eat them. I

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did not know I was not buying a British cauliflower. I am from

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Northern Ireland and we always eat local produce. We have had the issue

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of the lack of courgettes because of the weather in Spain. Swap the

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courgettes for a British cauliflower. Cauliflower cheese.

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Cauliflower rice. Cauliflower pizza. Our resident cauliflower expert. We

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will leave it on that note because Twitter will be awash with

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cauliflower recipes. Thanks for joining us. We look at tomorrow's

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from pages every evening on BBC News Hour. And let's look at the weather.

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Here is Sarah. It is a mixture of rain and hill snow across many

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parts. We have

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