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reason to pretend this is a happy day in Brussels, nor in London. --

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member state. One week on from the terror attack in Westminster, a

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vigil has been held for the victims. Hello and welcome to our look ahead

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to what the papers will be pretty tomorrow. We are joined by Henry

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Manse, political correspondence with the Financial Times. He has taken to

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this on his first occasion like a duck to water. And alongside him,

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Caroline Wheeler, the political and outer of the Sunday express. The

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Telegraph reports jubilation as Article 50 is triggered, but reports

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immediate tension between Britain and Brussels. The Metro focuses on

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the Primus to's warning that a failure to reach a deal within the

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two-year time limit could weaken cooperation in the fight against

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crime. The Financial Times said Theresa May's letter was seen in

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Brussels as conciliatory and flexible. The Mirror reports of the

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tension, with Angela Merkel rejecting an early start to talks on

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a new trade deal. Nigel Farage beams from the front of the Mail with a

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celebrant replied. The Times says the row over future security

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co-operation might attempt by Theresa May to build ridges with the

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EU. The Guardian says her, as was seen by many in Brussels as black

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mail. And Nigel Farage is also on the cover of The Express. Let's

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begin with the Metro. It covers the moment that the letter was handed by

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Tim Barrow to Donald Tusk. The simple headline is Adieu. It was a

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bit of a theatre, the way it happened, wasn't it, Henry? It was

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hand-delivered, Tim Barrow, a lovely bearded man. There was a bit of

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theatre therefrom Donald Tusk as well, he said that they could not be

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happy in London or Brussels. This day, which nobody would have looked

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forward to, they would have looked back to the referendum date as

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another day. But this is an important staging post for people.

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And there was a moment where Donald Tusk looked a little flawed. He did.

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Different papers have used different pitches, some of them with them

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looking at each other, some walking away from each other. In others they

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look like they would what having a reprise, without handshake. -- The

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Express. And there are other pictures of him looking forlorn.

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There has been some change in sentiment in some way since the

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attack. -- in the different pictures. We have this Treaty of

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Rome celebration when it Jean-Claude Juncker who has not been terribly

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conciliatory to the UK, has said that they are heartbroken that the

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UK is not there with them for the celebrations of the 60th birthday of

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the EU. In some ways, they going to miss us, but in other ways, they are

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still crossed with us for voting to leave and starting the process

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today. So a mixed message coming from these European leaders, today.

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Let's look at the Telegraph. They have a bit of the letter there. It

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starts dear Donald Tusk, a here by notified the council of the UK's

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intention to leave the European Union. It was such a small thing to

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say. And they were always the strokes after the referendum, saying

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could we actually trigger Article 50? But no, it had to be a proper

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letter, and here it is. And of course, this is the significant

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paragraph that the Telegraph picks out here. In essence, we declare

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that we are divorcing ourselves from the European Union. But of course,

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this was not just a one paragraph letter. It was eight pages? Six

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pages. Six pages. In that, she was trained to strike their tone. A bit

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of a divorce, I think. On the one hand, she was saying we don't want

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to be with you any more, we accept that we have children, we have two

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have some kind of future together, and actually these are the terms by

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which we can exist, while at the same time starting negotiations

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formally by almost putting her first... Laying the first car down.

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Sorry that the gauntlet by just saying just to remember that we are

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significantly comes to the security services, and police, and

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counterterrorism. We played the role in that and we are just remind you

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about. So anything about potentially punishing us for leaving, think

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about what you need from us, in the same way that we need things from

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you. There was a difference in what she said in a letter, which was

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watch out, our security information is very useful, and what she said

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the Parliament, which is now, more than ever, we need European values.

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Sort of telling MPs not to get too snobbish about Europe and save we

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are above them and can just deal with it India, China, and the US. It

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just shows that that sort of tension between one audience and another,

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and having to say different things to keep everybody happy. Clearly on

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this point. Let's look at the Financial Times. There is Donald

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Tusk again looking at the letter that he is just received. The clock

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is starting to take. These two years that we had to sort out a great of

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highly complicated pulling apart of this 44-year relationship. You have

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written a sketch peace, Henry, which was called Dear Europe: Tainted

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Letters. The other Henry VIII and Edelman around him asking for a

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divorce from the Pope a few centuries earlier was the engineer.

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What these letters have in common with Theresa May is that we thought

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on the side of the channel that we could get our way and influence

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leaders in that way. It might not play out like that way. It certainly

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didn't work that way with Neville Chamberlain with Adolf Hitler, and

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Henry VIII. We have started the process with no understanding the

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full understanding of the details. You think that they have not

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understood the details? We have had semi- lawyers talking about how

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difficult it will be to untangle all the ways we are bound to Europe at

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the moment. -- so many lawyers. I think understanding that will be

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required is still an ongoing process. We have had voices in the

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Cabinet. We had Boris Johnson sang we need no deal, will be fine

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anyway. And his optimism is on the front of the Daily Telegraph.

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Something about Britain going up into space in a rocket. So you could

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not ask for a bigger, more brash metaphor. And then Philip Hammond

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said yes, actually, we need a deal or we're going to get a deal. And

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let's not talk about the scenario of not getting a deal. So yes, there

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are less optimistic voices around Theresa May. On pages eight and nine

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of the Sun, they have little teams of who the main players are. Some of

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whom I'm sure we will not be very familiar with. It just shows how

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many people are going to have to be part and parcel of these

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negotiations. And that does not include all of the negotiations that

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are going to be required for the aspects of law and immigration,

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trade, and so on, eventually. Exactly. And here we have the main

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key players, a lot of the Cabinet ministers, but a lot of the mark in

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Theresa May's in a circle. You have Philip Hammond, and he's had a

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distinct voice in terms of fostering bride-to-be to ring of Article 50,

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much more subdued than the likes of, for example, Liam Fox or Boris

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Johnson, who were all sort of hooray, it will all be fine. Philip

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Hammond had always tried to strike a more conservative estimation of what

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their prospects might be. On the other side, you have Angela Merkel

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and -- Jean-Claude Juncker. And that is only a tiny part of the picture.

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At the end of the day, it also involves all the other countries,

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and they have their own voices and want different things from the UK in

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terms of what their Brexit will look like or what they want to establish

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in any ongoing partnership with them. So this is tiny. The other

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thing is, the negotiators themselves, we have the Department

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for International trade basically hiring hundreds of trade

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negotiators, boring zone from Canada. There is a whole to people

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that will be in this, many of whom we will not see their faces, but

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there will be flying around Europe and to other parts of the world. And

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of course, Francois Hollande is about to lose elections. He is

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definitely out. Angela Merkel has a yellow card that because she could

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be out as their election is coming up next year, I think. There will be

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interesting who becomes a household name amongst the European players.

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People know Jean-Claude Juncker, but perhaps not Donald Tusk as much.

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Will they do it every two year process, I think they should become

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familiar to readers of British newspapers. Yes, let's look at the

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Daily Mail, and this is a man we are familiar with. Nigel Farage they're

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holding a pint, and cheers to a great British future. But he is

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ready whaling on day one about the prime and so's letter. This could be

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a photo from any time in the past ten years. But we assume it is from

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today. I think Theresa May has two set out the few strength of the has

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-- that she has in this situation. -- to set out. Security information

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that British agents have a great trepidation for and do great work in

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the Middle East and elsewhere, that is a another card you can play. When

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you see that as blackmail or if you CV European Union's response as

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whaling, that is up to you. But I think it is not surprising that she

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is mentioned it. It is not a trump card to start off with in terms of

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saying actually, trade negotiations are going to be about give-and-take,

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and what have you got that we want, and what have we got that you want?

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And what she is saying here is that our security services and our sort

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of import to make input is substantial, and sort of trumps

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those of neighbouring countries. -- sort of input is substantial. Nico

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describe it as blackmail. Simile, on the other side, what we are hearing

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from Angela Merkel and the French government, this is the sort of

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thing where if we do not settle the Brexit divorce deal, where all sorts

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of figures have been banded around. -- And you describe. Similarly. You

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could say that what they are saying is blackmail, too. EU warns, it

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don't blackmail us. That is because of the security issue. We have

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security cooperation with all sorts of countries, though we? The idea

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that it would automate and not continue if we were outside of the

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EU, as you said, there is more at stake than membership of the union.

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I figure is difficult for Theresa May, who is a Home Secretary by

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background, and said that politics is not a game. Think it is I hard to

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make difficult for her to play this card too strongly to early. Given

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what has happened in London, Paris, Brussels, and so on. And then that

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we have British citizens living in these countries, and you've been a

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dicey situation if you did that and ended up inadvertently with your own

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British citizens being injured in those attacks, should they happen on

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foreign soil. That was the last bargaining chip. This is the new

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one. I think there are enough for them to raise it, but they have to

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be catalogued the tone, and I think that the Daily Mail's idea of

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whaling is the Guardian's idea of a normal part of negotiation. We can

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see where the blackmail line has come from.

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He said he was being nice so he did not use the word blackmail. Maybe it

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was an inaccurate translation. You would have to be naive to think they

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did not think about it. The Guardian, page three, the diplomats

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of Tim Barrow. He held Theresa May's handbag. Can we also showed the

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picture and draw a parallel, look at his legs! Look at his derrier. Even

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in up the sexism? A nice suit. What do you think? That is standard EU

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issue? Do you think is legs are nicer than his? I'm glad mine are

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under the desk. Strike a deal. The Chancellor rejects call for early

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trade talks. I wonder if they are going to get any traction with this

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idea of starting trade talks before the terms of our exit are really

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settled. It has always been said that you cannot have that in tandem,

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you have to wait for any new trade deals to be... You cannot start

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talking about them until we have left. There will be lots of fudging

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around even these headlines, they say Angela Merkel rules out this and

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we have to pay X by X day. What Angela Merkel said on the Brexit

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bill is let us get clarity on the kind of principles you have to abide

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by as a member leaving the club. What things have you committed to

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paying that you are going to keep an? The same with trade talks. --

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paying. Formal discussions. And like Brazil and India. You cannot talk

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about it. We have seen a lot of it already. We have set up working

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groups through the country already including in the US where Theresa

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May went to see Donald Trump and a working group was set up in America.

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There were raised eyebrows, saying, hang on, were we supposed to not

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formally set up any formal trade links? Is this going against that?

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Who turns what has formal and informal? -- terms. In terms of

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trade deals in general, we obviously have to start the negotiation with

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the EU because we want a trade deal and Theresa May said that very

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clearly again today. But at the same time, there is the rest of the

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world. I suppose we have to do something while we wait for the two

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years to pass. Brexit begins, trading blows, Theresa May and her

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early talks on the single market. So much to talk about in terms of

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immigration and freedom to travel. It will all have to be dealt with.

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That will surely affect the nature of trade and the nature of labour

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movement. The government does not like the idea of a transition deal

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and like to talk about things being phased in. Actually, for all the

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talk of a two year period, being out in the 29th of March, 2019. There is

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a lot of continuity. The Sun is talking about the European Court of

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Justice and the obscurity of what will happen with that. At what point

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do we were talking about this before. How do you decide today we

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will talk to this country about this issue. About whether it is about the

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rights of EU citizens and trade deals We know there are many battles

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going on, we can see that in the papers today, about trade and

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security. But what about when do you even consider the rights of EU

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citizens, whether they stopped today, Brexit Day, or the day that

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we formally Brexit. A poll suggested many people thought that as of

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today, if you were British you would need a visa to go and visit France

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or Germany. No, really, it is all fine, you are still free to go. The

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Daily Express. No turning back on EU Brexit. I wonder how true that is.

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If they were to turn their back on Brexit there would be an outcry as

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people feel that is what they voted for. But technically, as remote a

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possibility as it is, Article 50 is a grey area, isn't it? It is such a

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small clause. There is not complete clarity on whether you couldit or

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reverse it. Nobody thought this clause was going to be needed. They

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thought the EU would get bigger and incorporate places in Eastern Europe

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and maybe even Turkey. This is a grey area. In these places of law,

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if there is a political will to make something happen, it can happen. The

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difficulty is seeing how in a very short period, well, it is a short

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period, British politics could turn on its head and there could suddenly

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be a kind of vote which would override the referendum last year.

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And of course it would be seen as a massive slap in the face of those

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who voted for the referendum, the suggestion being that the elite that

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they like to talk about so much is not listening to the voters and

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their expression of their will, trying to negate what they are

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voting for. It would be hard to do that with the General Election.

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Another party would use that has a mandate. Prime Minister Tim Farron

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or something like that. To say no turning back is wrong, because we

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are turning back the clock in doing this. We decided to join, we held a

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referendum to go into Europe, and we are turning back the clock and going

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out of it. Over a long period of time. Of course. The reason they

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said no turning back as the headline is because that is the actual

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language she used today, almost reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher.

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Trying to go with that. It is worth pointing out that in terms of the

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Daily Express, the reason it uses these headlines day in and day out

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is because it started these headlines in the first place. Others

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picked it up along the way and supported Brexit, but the Daily

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Express with its 213 days after it started its campaign it has

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succeeded in this pointing out it was the original champion of this

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issue. They will be very pleased, won't they, without comment? And The

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i has different versions of the -- goodbye from different countries.

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Jeremy Corbyn backs referendum. Just briefly, the ramifications for the

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different parts of the United Kingdom are immense in leaving the

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EU. Indeed. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, there is a greater

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possibility they will be leaving the UK in some way. The clear

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possibility is with Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon and Theresa May still

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disagreeing on when a referendum for Scotland should be held. Probably

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after Brexit. And whether enough people want independence in

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Scotland, even now. The polls do not suggest there would be enough...

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Well, it is a dangerous game for her to play as topic she knows the

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second numbers of SNP voters actually voted for Brexit

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themselves. It is not a given that necessarily she would get enough

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votes. She is putting it on the table, why wouldn't see, it was

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clear she was going to do this all the way from the beginning, because

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she felt that because Scotland was not as supportive in the main Brexit

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as England, that gave a mandate to support a referendum. It was two

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years ago she said she would not call for another referendum in a

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generation. I am not sure if I am counting correctly, but two years is

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not a generation. One more story before we finish. The i. Thousands

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join hands in a Westminster vigil as the right inquests into how people

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died a week ago as Khalid Masood did what he did. Ordinarily there would

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be much more coverage of this. By the coincided with Article 50.

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Exactly right. We were thinking about the ramifications of whether

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it was a cell or a group of people acting in a particular way. There is

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still a large ongoing enquiry into that. But there are questions about

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how are you detect Parliament and -- detect Parliament. You are both in

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the Houses of Parliament last week, where are you? Of course, it was an

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attack on our seat of democracy. But today it was absolutely full of MPs

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and years hearing statements he made about triggering Article 50. --

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peers. That is right. What was significant was we were locked in a

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secure zone, I don't know where you were, but we weren't able to get out

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because we did not know who was out there and we were being kept safe.

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The fact that announcement came three even when we were leaving at

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eight o'clock last night and the announcer said both houses will sit

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as normal the next day, it was really a signal that we weren't

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going to let this particular individual disrupt our way of life

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and our British values. -- through. They are very much entrenched in our

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democratic processes. Thank you. That is it.

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That's it for the papers tonight. Don't forget you can see the front

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