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reason to pretend this is a happy day in Brussels, nor in London. --


member state. One week on from the terror attack in Westminster, a


vigil has been held for the victims. Hello and welcome to our look ahead


to what the papers will be pretty tomorrow. We are joined by Henry


Manse, political correspondence with the Financial Times. He has taken to


this on his first occasion like a duck to water. And alongside him,


Caroline Wheeler, the political and outer of the Sunday express. The


Telegraph reports jubilation as Article 50 is triggered, but reports


immediate tension between Britain and Brussels. The Metro focuses on


the Primus to's warning that a failure to reach a deal within the


two-year time limit could weaken cooperation in the fight against


crime. The Financial Times said Theresa May's letter was seen in


Brussels as conciliatory and flexible. The Mirror reports of the


tension, with Angela Merkel rejecting an early start to talks on


a new trade deal. Nigel Farage beams from the front of the Mail with a


celebrant replied. The Times says the row over future security


co-operation might attempt by Theresa May to build ridges with the


EU. The Guardian says her, as was seen by many in Brussels as black


mail. And Nigel Farage is also on the cover of The Express. Let's


begin with the Metro. It covers the moment that the letter was handed by


Tim Barrow to Donald Tusk. The simple headline is Adieu. It was a


bit of a theatre, the way it happened, wasn't it, Henry? It was


hand-delivered, Tim Barrow, a lovely bearded man. There was a bit of


theatre therefrom Donald Tusk as well, he said that they could not be


happy in London or Brussels. This day, which nobody would have looked


forward to, they would have looked back to the referendum date as


another day. But this is an important staging post for people.


And there was a moment where Donald Tusk looked a little flawed. He did.


Different papers have used different pitches, some of them with them


looking at each other, some walking away from each other. In others they


look like they would what having a reprise, without handshake. -- The


Express. And there are other pictures of him looking forlorn.


There has been some change in sentiment in some way since the


attack. -- in the different pictures. We have this Treaty of


Rome celebration when it Jean-Claude Juncker who has not been terribly


conciliatory to the UK, has said that they are heartbroken that the


UK is not there with them for the celebrations of the 60th birthday of


the EU. In some ways, they going to miss us, but in other ways, they are


still crossed with us for voting to leave and starting the process


today. So a mixed message coming from these European leaders, today.


Let's look at the Telegraph. They have a bit of the letter there. It


starts dear Donald Tusk, a here by notified the council of the UK's


intention to leave the European Union. It was such a small thing to


say. And they were always the strokes after the referendum, saying


could we actually trigger Article 50? But no, it had to be a proper


letter, and here it is. And of course, this is the significant


paragraph that the Telegraph picks out here. In essence, we declare


that we are divorcing ourselves from the European Union. But of course,


this was not just a one paragraph letter. It was eight pages? Six


pages. Six pages. In that, she was trained to strike their tone. A bit


of a divorce, I think. On the one hand, she was saying we don't want


to be with you any more, we accept that we have children, we have two


have some kind of future together, and actually these are the terms by


which we can exist, while at the same time starting negotiations


formally by almost putting her first... Laying the first car down.


Sorry that the gauntlet by just saying just to remember that we are


significantly comes to the security services, and police, and


counterterrorism. We played the role in that and we are just remind you


about. So anything about potentially punishing us for leaving, think


about what you need from us, in the same way that we need things from


you. There was a difference in what she said in a letter, which was


watch out, our security information is very useful, and what she said


the Parliament, which is now, more than ever, we need European values.


Sort of telling MPs not to get too snobbish about Europe and save we


are above them and can just deal with it India, China, and the US. It


just shows that that sort of tension between one audience and another,


and having to say different things to keep everybody happy. Clearly on


this point. Let's look at the Financial Times. There is Donald


Tusk again looking at the letter that he is just received. The clock


is starting to take. These two years that we had to sort out a great of


highly complicated pulling apart of this 44-year relationship. You have


written a sketch peace, Henry, which was called Dear Europe: Tainted


Letters. The other Henry VIII and Edelman around him asking for a


divorce from the Pope a few centuries earlier was the engineer.


What these letters have in common with Theresa May is that we thought


on the side of the channel that we could get our way and influence


leaders in that way. It might not play out like that way. It certainly


didn't work that way with Neville Chamberlain with Adolf Hitler, and


Henry VIII. We have started the process with no understanding the


full understanding of the details. You think that they have not


understood the details? We have had semi- lawyers talking about how


difficult it will be to untangle all the ways we are bound to Europe at


the moment. -- so many lawyers. I think understanding that will be


required is still an ongoing process. We have had voices in the


Cabinet. We had Boris Johnson sang we need no deal, will be fine


anyway. And his optimism is on the front of the Daily Telegraph.


Something about Britain going up into space in a rocket. So you could


not ask for a bigger, more brash metaphor. And then Philip Hammond


said yes, actually, we need a deal or we're going to get a deal. And


let's not talk about the scenario of not getting a deal. So yes, there


are less optimistic voices around Theresa May. On pages eight and nine


of the Sun, they have little teams of who the main players are. Some of


whom I'm sure we will not be very familiar with. It just shows how


many people are going to have to be part and parcel of these


negotiations. And that does not include all of the negotiations that


are going to be required for the aspects of law and immigration,


trade, and so on, eventually. Exactly. And here we have the main


key players, a lot of the Cabinet ministers, but a lot of the mark in


Theresa May's in a circle. You have Philip Hammond, and he's had a


distinct voice in terms of fostering bride-to-be to ring of Article 50,


much more subdued than the likes of, for example, Liam Fox or Boris


Johnson, who were all sort of hooray, it will all be fine. Philip


Hammond had always tried to strike a more conservative estimation of what


their prospects might be. On the other side, you have Angela Merkel


and -- Jean-Claude Juncker. And that is only a tiny part of the picture.


At the end of the day, it also involves all the other countries,


and they have their own voices and want different things from the UK in


terms of what their Brexit will look like or what they want to establish


in any ongoing partnership with them. So this is tiny. The other


thing is, the negotiators themselves, we have the Department


for International trade basically hiring hundreds of trade


negotiators, boring zone from Canada. There is a whole to people


that will be in this, many of whom we will not see their faces, but


there will be flying around Europe and to other parts of the world. And


of course, Francois Hollande is about to lose elections. He is


definitely out. Angela Merkel has a yellow card that because she could


be out as their election is coming up next year, I think. There will be


interesting who becomes a household name amongst the European players.


People know Jean-Claude Juncker, but perhaps not Donald Tusk as much.


Will they do it every two year process, I think they should become


familiar to readers of British newspapers. Yes, let's look at the


Daily Mail, and this is a man we are familiar with. Nigel Farage they're


holding a pint, and cheers to a great British future. But he is


ready whaling on day one about the prime and so's letter. This could be


a photo from any time in the past ten years. But we assume it is from


today. I think Theresa May has two set out the few strength of the has


-- that she has in this situation. -- to set out. Security information


that British agents have a great trepidation for and do great work in


the Middle East and elsewhere, that is a another card you can play. When


you see that as blackmail or if you CV European Union's response as


whaling, that is up to you. But I think it is not surprising that she


is mentioned it. It is not a trump card to start off with in terms of


saying actually, trade negotiations are going to be about give-and-take,


and what have you got that we want, and what have we got that you want?


And what she is saying here is that our security services and our sort


of import to make input is substantial, and sort of trumps


those of neighbouring countries. -- sort of input is substantial. Nico


describe it as blackmail. Simile, on the other side, what we are hearing


from Angela Merkel and the French government, this is the sort of


thing where if we do not settle the Brexit divorce deal, where all sorts


of figures have been banded around. -- And you describe. Similarly. You


could say that what they are saying is blackmail, too. EU warns, it


don't blackmail us. That is because of the security issue. We have


security cooperation with all sorts of countries, though we? The idea


that it would automate and not continue if we were outside of the


EU, as you said, there is more at stake than membership of the union.


I figure is difficult for Theresa May, who is a Home Secretary by


background, and said that politics is not a game. Think it is I hard to


make difficult for her to play this card too strongly to early. Given


what has happened in London, Paris, Brussels, and so on. And then that


we have British citizens living in these countries, and you've been a


dicey situation if you did that and ended up inadvertently with your own


British citizens being injured in those attacks, should they happen on


foreign soil. That was the last bargaining chip. This is the new


one. I think there are enough for them to raise it, but they have to


be catalogued the tone, and I think that the Daily Mail's idea of


whaling is the Guardian's idea of a normal part of negotiation. We can


see where the blackmail line has come from.


He said he was being nice so he did not use the word blackmail. Maybe it


was an inaccurate translation. You would have to be naive to think they


did not think about it. The Guardian, page three, the diplomats


of Tim Barrow. He held Theresa May's handbag. Can we also showed the


picture and draw a parallel, look at his legs! Look at his derrier. Even


in up the sexism? A nice suit. What do you think? That is standard EU


issue? Do you think is legs are nicer than his? I'm glad mine are


under the desk. Strike a deal. The Chancellor rejects call for early


trade talks. I wonder if they are going to get any traction with this


idea of starting trade talks before the terms of our exit are really


settled. It has always been said that you cannot have that in tandem,


you have to wait for any new trade deals to be... You cannot start


talking about them until we have left. There will be lots of fudging


around even these headlines, they say Angela Merkel rules out this and


we have to pay X by X day. What Angela Merkel said on the Brexit


bill is let us get clarity on the kind of principles you have to abide


by as a member leaving the club. What things have you committed to


paying that you are going to keep an? The same with trade talks. --


paying. Formal discussions. And like Brazil and India. You cannot talk


about it. We have seen a lot of it already. We have set up working


groups through the country already including in the US where Theresa


May went to see Donald Trump and a working group was set up in America.


There were raised eyebrows, saying, hang on, were we supposed to not


formally set up any formal trade links? Is this going against that?


Who turns what has formal and informal? -- terms. In terms of


trade deals in general, we obviously have to start the negotiation with


the EU because we want a trade deal and Theresa May said that very


clearly again today. But at the same time, there is the rest of the


world. I suppose we have to do something while we wait for the two


years to pass. Brexit begins, trading blows, Theresa May and her


early talks on the single market. So much to talk about in terms of


immigration and freedom to travel. It will all have to be dealt with.


That will surely affect the nature of trade and the nature of labour


movement. The government does not like the idea of a transition deal


and like to talk about things being phased in. Actually, for all the


talk of a two year period, being out in the 29th of March, 2019. There is


a lot of continuity. The Sun is talking about the European Court of


Justice and the obscurity of what will happen with that. At what point


do we were talking about this before. How do you decide today we


will talk to this country about this issue. About whether it is about the


rights of EU citizens and trade deals We know there are many battles


going on, we can see that in the papers today, about trade and


security. But what about when do you even consider the rights of EU


citizens, whether they stopped today, Brexit Day, or the day that


we formally Brexit. A poll suggested many people thought that as of


today, if you were British you would need a visa to go and visit France


or Germany. No, really, it is all fine, you are still free to go. The


Daily Express. No turning back on EU Brexit. I wonder how true that is.


If they were to turn their back on Brexit there would be an outcry as


people feel that is what they voted for. But technically, as remote a


possibility as it is, Article 50 is a grey area, isn't it? It is such a


small clause. There is not complete clarity on whether you couldit or


reverse it. Nobody thought this clause was going to be needed. They


thought the EU would get bigger and incorporate places in Eastern Europe


and maybe even Turkey. This is a grey area. In these places of law,


if there is a political will to make something happen, it can happen. The


difficulty is seeing how in a very short period, well, it is a short


period, British politics could turn on its head and there could suddenly


be a kind of vote which would override the referendum last year.


And of course it would be seen as a massive slap in the face of those


who voted for the referendum, the suggestion being that the elite that


they like to talk about so much is not listening to the voters and


their expression of their will, trying to negate what they are


voting for. It would be hard to do that with the General Election.


Another party would use that has a mandate. Prime Minister Tim Farron


or something like that. To say no turning back is wrong, because we


are turning back the clock in doing this. We decided to join, we held a


referendum to go into Europe, and we are turning back the clock and going


out of it. Over a long period of time. Of course. The reason they


said no turning back as the headline is because that is the actual


language she used today, almost reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher.


Trying to go with that. It is worth pointing out that in terms of the


Daily Express, the reason it uses these headlines day in and day out


is because it started these headlines in the first place. Others


picked it up along the way and supported Brexit, but the Daily


Express with its 213 days after it started its campaign it has


succeeded in this pointing out it was the original champion of this


issue. They will be very pleased, won't they, without comment? And The


i has different versions of the -- goodbye from different countries.


Jeremy Corbyn backs referendum. Just briefly, the ramifications for the


different parts of the United Kingdom are immense in leaving the


EU. Indeed. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, there is a greater


possibility they will be leaving the UK in some way. The clear


possibility is with Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon and Theresa May still


disagreeing on when a referendum for Scotland should be held. Probably


after Brexit. And whether enough people want independence in


Scotland, even now. The polls do not suggest there would be enough...


Well, it is a dangerous game for her to play as topic she knows the


second numbers of SNP voters actually voted for Brexit


themselves. It is not a given that necessarily she would get enough


votes. She is putting it on the table, why wouldn't see, it was


clear she was going to do this all the way from the beginning, because


she felt that because Scotland was not as supportive in the main Brexit


as England, that gave a mandate to support a referendum. It was two


years ago she said she would not call for another referendum in a


generation. I am not sure if I am counting correctly, but two years is


not a generation. One more story before we finish. The i. Thousands


join hands in a Westminster vigil as the right inquests into how people


died a week ago as Khalid Masood did what he did. Ordinarily there would


be much more coverage of this. By the coincided with Article 50.


Exactly right. We were thinking about the ramifications of whether


it was a cell or a group of people acting in a particular way. There is


still a large ongoing enquiry into that. But there are questions about


how are you detect Parliament and -- detect Parliament. You are both in


the Houses of Parliament last week, where are you? Of course, it was an


attack on our seat of democracy. But today it was absolutely full of MPs


and years hearing statements he made about triggering Article 50. --


peers. That is right. What was significant was we were locked in a


secure zone, I don't know where you were, but we weren't able to get out


because we did not know who was out there and we were being kept safe.


The fact that announcement came three even when we were leaving at


eight o'clock last night and the announcer said both houses will sit


as normal the next day, it was really a signal that we weren't


going to let this particular individual disrupt our way of life


and our British values. -- through. They are very much entrenched in our


democratic processes. Thank you. That is it.


That's it for the papers tonight. Don't forget you can see the front


pages of the papers on line on the BBC News website.


It's all there for you, seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers


and if you miss the programme any evening you can watch it later


Thank you, Henry, thank you, Caroline.


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