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that is all the sport. Now the papers.

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Slightly intimidating... Hello, and welcome to the look ahead at what

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the papers will be bringing us today.

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With me are David Wooding, Political Editor of The Sun

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on Sunday and Yasmin Alibhai Brown of the i newspaper

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The Mail on Sunday continues its campaign against videos

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on Google and YouTube which show violent or terror related content.

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This morning's front page highlights a video showing how

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Britain's airports and nuclear power stations need

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to tighten their defences against terrorist attacks,

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according to a story on the Sunday Telegraph's front page.

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British passports could soon be returning

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to their former dark blue livery following Brexit,

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the news that some peers are claiming thousands of pounds

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worth of expenses for attending the House of Lords,

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despite making little contribution to debates or committees.

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And the Observer highlights pressures being put

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on the government by some cross-party MPs who want

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to guarantee that EU nationals would still be able to work

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Let's begin with this story, airport and nuclear power stations on terror

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alert, when were they ever knocked on terror alert? LAUGHTER

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I think this is a good bit of journalistic thought. Clearly, the

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Sunday Telegraph have had a look at the story we had a few weeks ago

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where passengers boarding aircraft from certain countries were banned

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from taking laptops, they have done a little bit of digging around to

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find out why, and it seems Islamic State have found a way of making it

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possible to put a bomb inside a battery compartment of a laptop.

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Thereby, triggering explosions. They have gone even further to find that

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using cyber technology they could get inside nuclear power plants and

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cause greater devastation. There is the start, the knob, probably only

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scraping at the surface. Massive investigation by security services.

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-- the nub. This was one of Donald Trump's bright ideas, and of course,

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I am very wary of the US Department of Homeland Security beginning to

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feed what seemed essentially like a mad idea, of Donald Trump's, there

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is a threat, always a threat, the threat is getting worse but the

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threats we are facing now are those which we saw on Westminster Bridge.

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It is the idea... Very low-tech, very immediate, you can't prepare

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for it because you still have to go out and cross bridges... When you

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look at it, one of the former FBI agent says, we had the shoe bomber,

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then we had this bomber, exactly so, these were low-tech people connected

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to organisations or not. It seems to me that this is kind of misguided...

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We don't know half of it, the security sector will not show their

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hand... Or they may not tell us the truth. As a frequent flyer, I would

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feel a lot happier if everyone was not able to carry their laptop and

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it caused me in convenience but I knew that I was safer. But the truth

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is, we do not know. Interesting, the case in Egypt, the bomb was in a

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laptop, the laptop was in the hold, it still brought the plane down.

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Some will be a bit sceptical saying, you have to ban things

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completely...? There was an explosion in Mogadishu, Somalia, a

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year or so ago, which probably triggered all of this investigation.

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Interesting, some question over... America was doing a version of this,

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we were doing a slightly different version. Countries adopting it. Some

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suspicion was that it was about an attempt to damage Middle East

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airlines, that American companies have complained have been getting

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undue support from their governments, so there may have been

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a bit of politics in this. As well as legitimate security concerns. I

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don't trust any of it, partly... We have to be intelligent and think...

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There were a couple that you mention, but actually, is this where

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the threats have come from? This great terrible tragedies? No, it is

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part of a political agenda, as well, Donald Trump's political agenda, a

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political agenda of the right, and this is in the Telegraph, which

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makes me doubly suspicious, sorry! LAUGHTER

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Perhaps we will check out how it is reported in your newspaper. Staying

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with the Telegraph, second story, great headline, Gibraltar not the

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sale says Boris. As soon as the letter was delivered and answered,

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Gibraltar came up, 93... 94% of whom wanted to remain in the EU. But of

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course it is owned by Britain. Barzagli, part of the South West of

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England, according to political sources. Are we going to go around

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bombing Spain, this is what... Margaret Thatcher's popularity was

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really down, then the Falklands War. She did have to wait for Argentina

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to invade it, to be fair to her. Spain are doing this for political

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purposes. If they want to remain in Europe and feel passionately part of

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this country, what are they going to do about it? Special dispensation?

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The interesting thing about this story, Britain was warned that Spain

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would try to hijack "Brexit", to reclaim the rock, and they

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apparently warned Theresa May that she should put it in her Article 50

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letter, a 7-page letter in which she mentioned all sorts of things

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including security and intelligence but did not mention the rock. Lo and

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behold, the minute Article 50 is triggered, Spain bowl in and say, we

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want the rock as part of the negotiations. The EU have been a bit

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out of order in involving this, it is a bilateral issue involving

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Britain and Spain, nothing to do with the EU. It is time history was

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laid to rest, this is not a fashionable thing to say but these

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were places taken during the great imperial age, we are not in the

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imperial age, and I think the unthinkable should be thought,

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actually, what is the point of hanging onto something that actually

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physically is not part of your boundaries. What I would say to

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that, try going to Gibraltar, and saying that to the people of

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Gibraltar, they don't want to be part of Spain. But I want to be part

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of Europe. Again, another version of the debate over Northern Ireland.

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Whether you can have secure border, that allows you to say, we no longer

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have free movement, but how do you enforce that, if you want to allow,

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for example, free flow of goods. The Gibraltan issue, they have

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criticised it as smuggling tobacco in at a lower rate of tax. In

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Northern Ireland, part of the Good Friday agreement, reunification of

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Ireland. These are interesting, unexpected dramas. Many more will be

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thrown up as we move into "Brexit" which we have not even thought

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about. It'll be interesting to see what from week to week is the latest

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controversy and the latest row and potential compromise. Moving on to

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the mail on Sunday, very... I would like a flatter tummy in just six

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weeks, but I haven't got time to read that, let's stick with Google

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blood money, web giant cashing in on file videos showing how to Pierce

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stab vest. Terrible death ten days ago, PC Palmer. Suggestion that no

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damage had been done to the stab vest. -- pierce. What can Google do

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to stop this? I don't understand, is that my ignorance? The Internet has

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clearly made our lives better, we can access information, we can have

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friends on Facebook, but we have fake news as well, we have

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pornography, and we have hate and terrorism using Whats App and

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Google. Now, this comes at a time when certain vested interest,

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celebrities, for one, politician, want to gag the press even more,

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which is regulated to hell. We have some of the strictest regulations of

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television and newspapers in the world. And yet, the Internet is a

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wild West. And here we have, we have an organisation called stop funding

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hate, Google, putting up... Putting up videos... -- Stop Funding Hate.

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They have taken it down but it took a long time. I am so stupid

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sometimes about these things, I agree with Amber Rudd when she

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made... When she attacked some of these Internet giants. And then I

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had all this really intelligent young people saying, that was stupid

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because actually, practically, it cannot be done. I just want to

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educate myself about what exactly Google can do. I would say, in the

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same way that a newspaper would not print many stories, and believe

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me... You know this yourself, so much does not get into the

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newspapers now... Masses of information. Clearly, there must be

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some kind of algorithm, I think is the word, where they can... Better

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than a hashtag. Where they can find this stuff when it comes up. Another

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interesting aspect to the story, this idea that people are

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effectively, have turned this kind of thing into a full-time business,

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because you get some very small financial comeback from the number

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of people who look at your video or you choose, potentially, this guy

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has given up his job and is making fake news -- is making this. These

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how-to videos. Weapons expert. He can make them for next to nothing

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and put them up on the website and get lots of hits and get money. If

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you want to stop this kind of thing, you have to find a way to stop the

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money. There have been cases of major companies have stopped

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advertising on YouTube, in protest at this. That is the way, money will

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talk, if we say, we will not advertise, or, Google can become the

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biggest employer, ever... You know... 100% more employees, young

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people, give them jobs, to give them exactly what they want. As you say,

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massive system... That game, you would hit one on the head and

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another would pop up somewhere else. That is the problem they are

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struggling with. And politicians struggling with the problem of how

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you legislate for something that is international in a national context.

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Sunday Times, lovely picture on the front here, Johanna Konta,

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celebrating this great win at the Miami open, cannot quite believe it,

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maybe fans of women's tennis in Britain cannot quite believe it

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either, it has been a long time since Virginia Wade. Old enough to

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remember her in 1977. When they were called ladies, now they are able to

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be women players, treated as equals. In terms of the impact. Has captured

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the second where she realises she has done it. A story which looks

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rather more familiar than great British tennis success. Lord Paul,

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he was involved in this, he was... He was suspended. Old story,

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according to the Times, some newer naughty peers... Including Lord

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Evans, a Labour peer, crossbench, a former Tory peer, Lord Hanning

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feels, who also went to prison. And Francis to Susa, former Speaker, who

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was herself caught up in an and expenses row. Here is what is my

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suspicion, the Lords is resisting some of "Brexit" speed, and the

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simplicity that Brexiteers would like. -- Lord Hanningfield. I think

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there is something about discrediting the Lords, I think that

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there is no other reason to have that here. There is 800 of them,

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what is different in this, it is the Sunday Times relaunch today, which

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you may see, it has a slight tweak, it has a slightly different look

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about it, maybe only a trade journalists can spot it, but a

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slightly different face a stories are shorter and a bit more readable.

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I quite like it. -- Frances D'Souza. As part of that, they have done an

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investigation to give themselves a different property. The new line,

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Richard Pearce, people who are already wealthy in their own right,

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are... We know this, it has happened before, if they had a front-page

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story saying, interfering with the will of the people, and their

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arguments are wrong, that would make sense. This recycling, to have

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people lose faith in the Lords. Suspicious of the motives. We did

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something in the sun on Sunday if you weeks ago, these figures,

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?40,000 in expenses, tax-free, must be worth a bit more. And they do not

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need it. -- Sun on Sunday. It is all very well to pick out the wealthy

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peers, but they do this, there is not a salary, this is what they live

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on, basically. Whether you think that is right or wrong, that is

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true. And some of the best peers are some of the best scrutinises we now

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have. And I think it is very important... The richer the people,

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the more greedy they are, what is new there(!) the Observer. As ever,

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from now on, not every story but quite a lot stories will be coloured

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by "Brexit", one way or another, whether it is lobbying to say extra

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help, because of "Brexit", other people saying, what will we do about

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getting staff, this is interesting given all the other questions the

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NHS is under. It is the wallpaper, everything we do it is there,

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"Brexit" is the backdrop of our lives, this is a hell story about

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"Brexit". The suggestion is that there will be an exodus of NHS

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staff, we do employ a lot of Europeans in hospitals, and people

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from all over the world, worried about whether they will be able to

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state post "Brexit" and leaving... Some of the figures show, last year,

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17,000 EU nationals who left the NHS, compared with only 11,020 14,

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2348 doctors left between July and September, that is up from 1200,

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same period, 2015. Yes, 80 something percent rise in the number of people

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leaving. Here it is, the immigration promise which was made carelessly

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and manipulative league again and again and again is not going to be

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possible. And we have now got even people like David Davis, Liam Fox,

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sorry, saying that immigration will not go down. A lot of people voted

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because they thought foreigners would leave, and whatever. So it is

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going to be difficult for them to politically manage this. Yes, in

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fact, one of the few points Labour did well on raising was the NHS

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during the referendum campaign, obviously, now, Article 50 has been

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triggered, one of the priorities will be to get a deal on EU

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nationals living in Britain, and British nationals living in the 27

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EU states, that is a priority. There is a cartoon, he has a lady coming

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back on her own... She has been on holiday in Europe, she says, the

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Europeans are holding my husband hostage because of the "Brexit" mid

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Ocean oceans(!) it is going to be interesting to see how many of these

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industries or areas of business... The care sector, with the ageing

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population, it will just shuts down. Because... Almost all their workers

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come from somewhere else. On a brighter note, the front of the

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express, Tom Jones, how singing save my life after the death of my wife

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last year. I am about to renew my passport, we will look at the

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passport, I will probably get another EU passport, until we get

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through passport, I have no opinion either way, red or blue, I am

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colour-blind! The true blue passport, the dark blue colour

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coming back. I don't want it, I want my European passport. I had such

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problems with my blue passport, always interrogated! Always made to

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feel like a second-class citizen, only when the red passport came,

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nobody asked me any questions. At the time you got it, your family was

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out of Uganda by Idi Amin, 40 years ago... We loved it then, but we had

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a special stamp, D, and that meant that you could not freely come even

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though you had a British passport. White Zimbabwe and had C and they

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would come. Labour passed the law in 1968, a deeply racist law which they

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passed. So I did not care for my blue passport, made me feel

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unwanted. Deeply the study, GB stickers on the back of the car,

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that will come back as well. Look, they do keep redoing the passport

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every so many years, to stop forgeries, and this is a ?500

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million contract that has gone out on a government website, and the

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Sunday express, like some others this morning, as they collected that

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there may be a return of the blue passport. The Royal Standard will

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stay on the front, yes, we all want that on the front of it, European

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Union coming off the top, not a lot to change anything else. Do we have

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the right to keep the European one? We won't be citizens of the European

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Union... All the recognised the back passport recognise the sovereignty

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of the individual nations, there is not such a thing as a European

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passport, as such. My my view is that you have to get the

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passport of your own nation. We will find out this week. Bats we can find

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out more over the course of the coming days, perhaps we will speak

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to the passport office. I'm sure it is something that will be asked

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about in the "Brexit" debates. Thank you both very much. Always a

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pleasure to have you here. Don't forget, tomorrow's front pages

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tonight, 1040, you're on BBC News. -- 10:40pm. We will be back with

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more news at the top of the hour. We have a nice day on the way today,

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better than

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