08/04/2017 The Papers

We'll be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment -

The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, has cancelled

a planned trip to Moscow on Monday, in the wake of this week's chemical

He said the UK deplored Russia's continued defence

Firefighters in Hertfordshire have launched an investigation

into what caused a fatal blaze at a residential care home.

Two people died and 33 others has to be rescued

at the Newgrange Care Home in Cheshunt this morning.

Norwegian police say they have found a "bomb-like

device" in central Oslo, and a suspect is being held.

Swedish police say they're increasingly certain that the Uzbek

man they've arrested is the one who carried out yesterday's

attack in Stockholm, but they believe others may also

Workers at three rail companies have been taking part

in a 24-hour strike on the day of the Grand National race.

The action, involving Southern, Merseyrail and Arriva Rail North,

is part of a dispute over staffing and the role of conductors.

An lead the author I will speak to the author Scarlett Thomas about her

switch to writing for children and the creation of a fictional world

full of magic and danger. Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be With me are the broadcasters

Penny Smith and Charlie Wolf. Good evening to you both. Before we

speak to them, let's have a look at some of those front pages, starting

with Boris Johnson's decision to cancel his trip to Russia, that the

lead in many of the papers. The Mail on Sunday says the Kremlin

has "slammed" Mr Johnson The Sunday Times says Britain

and America will directly accuse Russia of complicity in war

crimes in Syria. The Sunday Telegraph says

the Foreign Secretary's cancelled trip -but the picture that dominates

the front page shows the owners of the Grand National winner,

One for Arthur. And The Independent has it's

own interview with the EU's chief Brexit negotiator who wants

Theresa May to consider a plan to help British people

who want to retain EU citizenship. So let us begin. Penny, would you

start us off? Newspapers full of the stories about Syria. The Sunday

Times, Russia accused of complicity in Syria war crime and Boris is not

going to Russia. Complains of Russian complicity, a Russian drones

flew over a town before one of the warplanes dropped that gas bomb

which killed around 80 people if a Russian aircraft bombed a hospital

later to destroy evidence. A picture of a chemical weapons container from

where the attack was launched. Russia accused of complicity in

Syrian war crime and Boris Johnson... The US did Boris Johnson

because of his notorious Florida language. Tim Farron also coming in

saying the Foreign Secretary is a poodle of Washington, echoing the

comment on Tony Blair, was having his diary managed across the pond

and think it's pretty shameful when even Trump judges you to be a

buffoon. OK. Charlie, what can we talk a moment, that is going to

happen, Rex Tillerson the Secretary of State, he is going to have to end

up going to Moscow. The talk in the last couple of days is if the

Russians would refuse to have him over. That's not the case, he is

going over. He has a serious message. I don't think Boris Johnson

is a poodle, I didn't think Tony Blair was, to be honest. I think

it's important in a situation like this, maybe they need to be

co-ordinated and have one man do all the talking. The country that is

taking the action, the United States, it seems it's only right its

Rex Tillerson that does the speaking. You are often in a

position to explain Donald Trump. It looks like a massive flip-flop in

his approach to Syria. What do you make of it? I think this is called

leadership. Yes, he had a position that was noninterventionist, I don't

want to be the world's policeman and so on. When you sit in the chair...

A couple of times a significant, the first time when you get the first

briefing when you've been elected and you are the President-elect and

you get the first CIA NSA briefing, that's a pretty heavy duty meeting.

Then you sit in the chair for the first time on the 20th of January.

You are sitting there and you realise, this is in the national

interests of the United States, and national security issue. The point

is... They have this tweets in the Daily Mail. We should stay the hell

out of Syria, the rebels are just as bad as the current regime. If are

going to continue to be stupid and going to Syria... Whatsapp and now

though is they've had an event and he's been sat down with his advisers

and they are the one saying, if they get away with using chemical weapons

here, they will use them elsewhere and produced within the United

States. This is some other as to be held to account and that's what he's

done. Moving on, it got a mention before but let's pick this up, this

business about Boris', Boris Johnson's role in all of this. It is

a bit curious. On the one hand I think you are saying he's a serious

player and so on, but it does look as though people said, come on,

whoever they are, the Foreign Secretary would probably be told to

stay out of it at the moment, it's an American affair. I think it

probably is at this juncture. It was America that launched the missile

strike, not Great Britain. It is Donald Trump in the position of

being the leader of the biggest country and strongest democracy on

the planet. I think it makes sense. Again, I don't see working together

that it makes you somebody's poodle. I think Boris Johnson sees the

importance of what's going on and agree to it. What I do find

interesting, the Sunday Times article, the Defence Secretary

Fallon talking about a regime change, if I'm reading it right.

We've heard that before. Normally it's our government that talks about

regime change. They've backed off of that, haven't they? The Mail on

Sunday has a lot on the inside about all of this, various things, talking

about Ivanka Trump,... She's the one that treated saying it made me cry,

because of the children involved. And as I mentioned, we have the

whole of what Donald Trump hazard. This is a president who lives on

social media, isn't it, really? We have all these other things. In the

past, when Obama talked about chemical attacks but backed off from

attacking anything in Syria, the president Musket congressional

approval before attacking Syria. Big mistake if he doesn't. That didn't

happen. I was talking to Richard Kemp, in Washington on the way down,

neither of us experts on this, but I think he would have it being of the

national interest, the use of chemical weapon, he'd have the

authority, be it Obama or Donald Trump. In fact, I would maybe

suggest, and not an expert on this, maybe because President Obama set

the red line, President Wright could almost use the authority of that.

Say that was the Red Line. There is one other thing, a little box here.

When we are looking at the Mail on Sunday, about somebody working for

Jeremy Corbyn. That will annoy some people if it's right. Stupid is as

stupid does. There's always a man in the crowd that has to come up with

some statement and put their foot in them up. This is Murray, a political

adviser to the Shadow Cabinet who basically said we are baby killers.

I guess we're just as bad as Assad. Basic moral relativism. It's

unfortunate when a missile strike kills civilians that weren't

intended, but that's a big difference between those, going out

using chemical weapons to kill innocents on purpose and

indiscriminately. OK, let's go on. I think we can look at Stockholm on

what's going on there. That is another thing. The Sunday Times. I'm

hunting around for it. The Telegraph I think. The bomb on the hijacks

lorry failed to go a terrible situation, echoes of what happened

at Westminster bridge. A lorry that ploughed into a Stockholm department

store and killed four people was carrying a device that failed to

detonate. The terrorists responsible had actually been on their radar,

the police said. This is a migrant Brie labourer. A bit scary, even

with the Westminster story the words, the perpetrator was known to

the police. I am not holding the police necessarily to account, but

it makes you wonder. A little bit scary, there are many creative ways

to kill people. In the past I've had people going on about, we don't want

America with all the guns another thing. It's not the guns, anything

as simple as a knife, a vehicle... And a bomb. You come back to the

statistics about the fact you are more likely in America to be killed

by a child with a gun than to be killed in a terrorist attack. I

suppose that's a side issue, isn't it? They've discovered already that

vehicles are extraordinarily effective. And of course you don't

have to, you don't need a bomb. Obviously that would have caused

even more, terrible devastation. Indeed. We have the news tonight the

police in Oslo appear to have found a new device of some sort cordoning

the city. Now to a domestic story on the front

page of the Sunday Telegraph. Scrapheap beckons for council tip

charges. I think Penny, you said to me, I feel strongly about this, do

you, what's it about? I do. I'll tell you what I get really annoyed

about, fly-tipping. It destroys so much. There are certain areas,

beauty spots, which are just covered in rubbish, because somebody... You

pay somebody to take away your rubbish and because of the fact you

have to pay to have it disposed of, they going tip it any old where. As

we know, B gets later, and I know that because I've done little

experiments near where I lived. And if you leave a bit of rubbish where

it is... By the time... If you leave it, by the time you walk back from

the shops, it's got new friends with it. It sounds like the broken window

syndrome. It is. I will tell you what I've noticed since owning a dog

in the last year, the amount of burger wrappers what scares me

chicken bones. If the dog gets close, can kill them. Human

detritus, Eder wannabe any more descriptive map. -- I don't want to

be any more descriptive than that. I watched undercover costs the other

day, in Utah, where I used to live, very nice neighbourhood. This wide,

clean, you could eat off these streets. I'm thinking, North

Finchley are supposed to be a somewhat salubrious area, and it was

at one point. Even in nicer areas, St John's Wood, I've walked around

areas and there are burger wrappers. This is about saying... They are

saying charging at all for taking your rubbish to the council tip is a

bad idea. Exactly. And eventually it ends up with stuff... They should be

paying us. Go and do some up cycling. It's a way of local

authorities raising money. If they can't raise it this way, they will

find another way. There is an interesting supply and demand

argument. I went to the tip on Thursday to drop off some cardboard.

There was about half an hour queue in business hours. If it's a product

everybody wants... I say, charge them, there is a market. There's

money in garbage! Pictures on a lot of the front pages, two very happy

ladies. Who wants to explain why they are happy? Charlie? I love this

story, don't we? What is it about? You've been having it on your sports

news. This is about the two owners of the Grand National winner, which

is One For Arthur. They bought this horse because their husbands play

golf together and they are always off on the golf course. Two golf

widows, debutants, and they said, it's just been brilliant. Our

husbands play golf together, we wanted to do something, the plan was

conceived after a lot of gin at Kelso one-day stop and that's what I

love about jump racing. This is not the only story of this type. As

someone that sees an old nag in the field... I don't think it's an old

nag! They see a horse in a field a thing, we could train that up. The

National, of course, I missed it today believe it or not and I didn't

have a chance but the money down. It's the one race where form doesn't

matter. It's not how good... Nicholas Owen could be the horse in

front of us, we could be the star horses, you fall at the fence and

take us down with you, the two winners. Nicolas, were you in the

Grand National again? What's going on! We won't discuss how Mrs Owen

handed ?10 to a bookmaker this afternoon never to be seen again...

You didn't back the 14-1? That is it for the papers this hour.

Thank you Panny and Charlie, you'll both be back at 11.30

for another look at the stories making the news tomorrow.