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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are John Crowley, who's Editor-in-Chief

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at the International Business Times and Tim Stanley, the leader

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writer and columnist for the Daily Telegraph.

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The Telegraph has an exclusive interview with Prince Harry,

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talking about how he sought counselling in his mid-twenties

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to help cope with the death of his mother, Princess Diana.

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The Guardian says there are calls for a recount following the vote in

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Turkey giving President Erdogan the powerful major constitutional

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reform. The Times lead with what they call

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North Korean defiance in the face The i also lead with

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the tension in North Korea - saying that China and America

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are working together The Mira continues with North Korea,

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President Trump's message that he is poised to strike if necessary. The

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Daily Mail leads with a deterioration in UK and Russian

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relations, saying they are an all-time low.

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The FT lead on US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross rubbishing

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International Monetary Fund claims of US protectionism.

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A distinctly international feel to the stories we are covering in this

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first review. But the first story is very much home-grown. The Daily

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Telegraph, an exclusive with Prince Harry. It was 20 years of not

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thinking about it, and then two years of total chaos coming he says,

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about how he coped with his mother's death when he was so young. This is

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an extraordinary exclusive to have got? It is historic, really. Our

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columnist, Brian Gordon, has spoken in an unfiltered way with the press

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about the experience of his mother's death, coping with the grief. You

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can listen to it on the website, it is a podcast. He is so astonishingly

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frank. He talks about bottling up, how it wasn't until he was 28 that

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he came to terms with what had happened. And he talks about the

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anger. The language is extraordinary. He says, I had

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probably been close to a complete breakdown on numerous occasions,

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with all sorts of grief, lies, misconceptions and everything coming

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from every angle. He talks about almost wanted to punch people. It is

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historic, partly because this is a story we are all familiar with and

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gives us a perspective on the story that we have never had before. Also,

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I cannot think of a member of the Royal family talking in this

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unfiltered way before to the press. We might have expected an interview

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that was then edited, which the palace would have to go through with

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a fine tooth comb to green light. For him to talk in this way, without

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any kind of filter, it feels like an historic change in the way the Royal

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family speaks to the nation. Absolutely, it wasn't so many years

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ago that the Royal family were seen as really quite distant. They kept

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their distance, quite deliberately. A lot of that changed when Princess

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Diana died? It was. I'm trying to think of another interview that a

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member of the Royal family has done in this raw and expansive way. I

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can't but help think of his parents, when Diana spoke to Martin Bashir

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and his father, the Prince of Wales, spoke to Jonathan Dimbleby, speaking

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about the affair. But the language is so raw. Saying he wanted to punch

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someone, this is not princely language, but it is breaking down

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barriers about mental health. She has written really expansively about

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her own personal mental health issues. This is bringing mental

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health to the centre of the National conversation, I think. So many

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people will applaud him for doing it? Absolutely, he wants to draw

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attention to the charity he is running with Prince William, Heads

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Together. It reads like somebody talking about a physical wound, but

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they are talking about a mental wound. That is the change that is

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happening in society, getting us to the point where this kind of

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conversation can be had. It was the case for a very long time that

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mental health problems were something that was buried. It was

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felt you had to deal with it, get on with it. What he is saying with this

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honest and frank interview, in a way, it is the same as a physical

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problem. By talking about it, you address it, you deal with it and can

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move towards healing. It is a change not just in the Royal family, but

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this extraordinary interview reflects a change in the way society

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sees mental health. For many people, the change is not complete. There is

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a discussion to be had about funding of mental health services and also

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the stigma many people still feel, even when you have very visible

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public figures speaking about their own experiences? As you said, the

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subject is taboo. Everywhere, all places, there are people that have

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been affected by it. Years ago it would be swept under the carpet.

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This contribution he has made will bring that to the fore even more.

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Even more so because it is a man speaking about it? Absolutely, and a

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soldier as well. One wonders, I have not heard the podcast, I wonder if

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the experience of serving with men and seeing what happened to veterans

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is something he has spoken out about before, I wonder if that is one

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reason why he has chosen to do this. He briefly touches on it, speaking

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to fellow soldiers about their experiences made him rethink his own

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experience as well. He said it was two decades that he lost. It kind of

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puts into context all other things, being known as the playboy prince,

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two hijinks. Was this his way of trying to get away and not think

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about that? He lost his mother. Anybody losing a parent at such a

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young age, it is such a traumatic thing. To live it in the

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spotlight... And have to carry on? Carry on and keep that public face.

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It is such a brave thing for him to do. Massive moment and huge

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exclusive for the Daily Telegraph. It really is. Several very big

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stories that we have been concentrating on a lot today. The

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first one of which is on The Times. North Korea defiant as the US ramps

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up pressure, Trump wooing China to counter nuclear threats. We are told

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from the US point of view that they have some common ground with China?

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No actual idea yet from anybody how they are going to respond. But the

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fact they seem to be on the same page is progress? It is a sign of

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the topsy-turvy world we live in where China and Russia are urging

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calm. One of the most interesting things that I saw today, when you

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look for information about Donald Trump, it is in his tweets. He did

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several U-turns. One of them was accusing China of being a currency

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manipulator. He said, let's move on from the currency manipulation

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malarkey, we need to work together on North Korea. Of course, China has

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a huge role to play. It is supporting North Korea in terms of

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providing food, energy and resources. If the US decided to act

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unilaterally, China would absolutely have something to say about it. It

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is crucial for Trump that China is getting involved. We are led to

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believe if this had not been a failed missile test but a nuclear

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test, that would have been beyond the pale for China, even though the

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consequences could be enormous if a destabilised North Korea were to

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spill over its borders? North Korea, after all these years, it still

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can't get it up. It probably is a nuclear state by now. Crucially, it

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doesn't have the ability to deliver nuclear weapons yet. I'm going to be

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controversial and say that this latest crisis actually does have a

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silver lining. It is the sign of closer cooperation between

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Washington and Beijing. Some American officials have claimed

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there was an agreement to share intelligence that came out of the

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meeting between the Chinese President and Donald Trump. A

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general agreement to cut back on imports and trade, isolate North

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Korea. If you look at the language the Chinese have used in the past

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few days, they said there should not be a conflict, they advised against

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it, but they have not invoked their 1961 alliance with North Korea. They

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have not said we will come to North Korea's defence. Crucially, it could

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be interpreted that if North Korea develops nuclear weapons and takes

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an aggressive position, it could be in breach of the nuclear

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Non-Proliferation Treaty. Under the terms of the 1961 treaty that binds

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China and North Korea together, China would no longer be obliged to

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protect it. It is possible North Korea, by coming a lot closer, a

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step closer to being able to deliver a nuclear payload, it might be

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cutting itself off from China. There could be a new concordat, between

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China and America about North Korea. I do think the nuclear cloud has a

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silver lining. Have you been practising that all day? That is

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very good. It is actually a quote from Doctor Who, fans will hear that

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and know what it is from! How do you follow that? Kim Jong-un, some

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commentators say, once recognition as a nuclear state, as a nuclear

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power. He is not likely to get that. He needs to be given a way out from

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this? Yes, you press somebody up against a wall, you have to give

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him... Or if he feels that he needs a get out. The vagaries of Donald

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Trump and his policy moves, it is difficult to see how he would want

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to give North Korea that. I don't think he is somebody a get out, he

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is an alpha male, he wants to dominate and put people in their

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place. To save face, the real politic is having to do, he has done

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this about-face, accusing China of currency minute elation. Maybe he

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has to realise that were diplomacy matters you need to give countries a

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chance to save face. Let's look at the Financial Times and what is

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happening in Turkey. I've gone to the wrong paper, have I? No, it is

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the picture. Narrow boat, he claims victory in the Turkish ballot over

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new powers. He was expecting to win by a much bigger margin? It was

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predicted it would be 55%, it was closer to 51%. The opposition has

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already said it is demanding a recount of some of the votes,

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because some of the ballots that were issued were not officially

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stamped. There are already grounds to contest this. What is it he

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wants? You want is to replace Turkey's parliamentary democracy

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with an executive presidency, that could give him the power to dissolve

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Parliament, appoint judges, he could move the country more towards

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Islamification than it has been in the past. This has been a real

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turning point, not only in Turkey's history, but also relations between

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Turkey and the rest of the world. Turkey is part of the Western

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alliance, the Weston family. It is a bridge between Europe and Asia. For

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it to take a step towards religious conservatism, eight more autocratic

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style of government, that puts it at odds with its western partners. It

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is a member of the Council of Europe, the Secretary General has

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already said if you need help in navigating this, a reminder that

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part of your responsible it is our upholding the rule of law, we are

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here to guide you through it? The EU was in a difficult spot, it is

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paying money to tick each year to solve that problem. It will be

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interesting to see how the EU reacts officially. It is quite interesting,

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a referendum about the country on the edge of Europe split down the

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middle, it rings a bell with me somewhere. It is a rubber-stamp for

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him being a single party strongman now and he can rule until 2029. It

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is a turning point. It could be. Turkey has long wanted to join the

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EU. But something he has said this evening that he wants to do is to

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eventually introduce the death penalty. Europe has been clear and

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said if Turkey does that, it does not get into the EU. It looks like

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Turkey is choosing to face eastwards. He has got the result

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that some commentators are saying in the worst possible way. It is too

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small a margin to say he has a clear mandate to introduce the powers?

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Asked him was saying, he was expected to get 55% and did not. It

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was like the 52-48 that we had, it is not a ringing endorsement. It

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creates more uncertainty. He was looking for a rubber-stamp. He

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didn't get it. Now you have the opposition saying 60% of the vote is

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being contested. It creates more uncertainty. That region is and

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uncertain region. They are a buffer state between Syria and Europe. He

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has used the cover of the coup last year to call this. I think he has

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put something like 50,000 people, jailed or removed from their jobs in

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the judiciary, journalists... He says that is to bring about

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stability and security? He has to deal with Syria, the Kurdish

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problem, Islamists from his own country. This is going to solidify

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divisions and show us the size of dissent. Three of the biggest cities

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in Turkey voted against it. The i, is it time to strip President

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Assad's wife of UK citizenship? She was born in London and holds a

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British passport. There is a move in Parliament to do exactly that.

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Conservative MPs and Liberal Democrat MPs are calling for her to

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have her citizenship revoked. The right to do that, I think it is

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under the British Nationality Act, it lies with the Home Secretary.

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Does being the wife of a dictator give you the license to say you are

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not entitled to British citizenship any more? One important point, she

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has been disseminating pro-Syrian, pro-Assad messages on social media

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accounts. We are not at war with Syria. I'm uncomfortable about

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stripping citizenship. It is usually invoked to protect the country

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against someone you don't want coming in. I think everyone has

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human rights, civil rights, she remains a citizen until she shows

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good cause for having it taken away. Don't forget all the front pages

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are online on the BBC News website where you can read a detailed review

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of the papers. It's all there for you - seven days

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a week at bbc.co.uk/papers - and you can see us there too -

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with each night's edition of The Papers being posted

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