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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


With me are John Crowley, who's Editor-in-Chief


at the International Business Times and Tim Stanley, the leader


writer and columnist for the Daily Telegraph.


The Telegraph has an exclusive interview with Prince Harry,


talking about how he sought counselling in his mid-twenties


to help cope with the death of his mother, Princess Diana.


The Guardian says there are calls for a recount following the vote in


Turkey giving President Erdogan the powerful major constitutional


reform. The Times lead with what they call


North Korean defiance in the face The i also lead with


the tension in North Korea - saying that China and America


are working together The Mira continues with North Korea,


President Trump's message that he is poised to strike if necessary. The


Daily Mail leads with a deterioration in UK and Russian


relations, saying they are an all-time low.


The FT lead on US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross rubbishing


International Monetary Fund claims of US protectionism.


A distinctly international feel to the stories we are covering in this


first review. But the first story is very much home-grown. The Daily


Telegraph, an exclusive with Prince Harry. It was 20 years of not


thinking about it, and then two years of total chaos coming he says,


about how he coped with his mother's death when he was so young. This is


an extraordinary exclusive to have got? It is historic, really. Our


columnist, Brian Gordon, has spoken in an unfiltered way with the press


about the experience of his mother's death, coping with the grief. You


can listen to it on the website, it is a podcast. He is so astonishingly


frank. He talks about bottling up, how it wasn't until he was 28 that


he came to terms with what had happened. And he talks about the


anger. The language is extraordinary. He says, I had


probably been close to a complete breakdown on numerous occasions,


with all sorts of grief, lies, misconceptions and everything coming


from every angle. He talks about almost wanted to punch people. It is


historic, partly because this is a story we are all familiar with and


gives us a perspective on the story that we have never had before. Also,


I cannot think of a member of the Royal family talking in this


unfiltered way before to the press. We might have expected an interview


that was then edited, which the palace would have to go through with


a fine tooth comb to green light. For him to talk in this way, without


any kind of filter, it feels like an historic change in the way the Royal


family speaks to the nation. Absolutely, it wasn't so many years


ago that the Royal family were seen as really quite distant. They kept


their distance, quite deliberately. A lot of that changed when Princess


Diana died? It was. I'm trying to think of another interview that a


member of the Royal family has done in this raw and expansive way. I


can't but help think of his parents, when Diana spoke to Martin Bashir


and his father, the Prince of Wales, spoke to Jonathan Dimbleby, speaking


about the affair. But the language is so raw. Saying he wanted to punch


someone, this is not princely language, but it is breaking down


barriers about mental health. She has written really expansively about


her own personal mental health issues. This is bringing mental


health to the centre of the National conversation, I think. So many


people will applaud him for doing it? Absolutely, he wants to draw


attention to the charity he is running with Prince William, Heads


Together. It reads like somebody talking about a physical wound, but


they are talking about a mental wound. That is the change that is


happening in society, getting us to the point where this kind of


conversation can be had. It was the case for a very long time that


mental health problems were something that was buried. It was


felt you had to deal with it, get on with it. What he is saying with this


honest and frank interview, in a way, it is the same as a physical


problem. By talking about it, you address it, you deal with it and can


move towards healing. It is a change not just in the Royal family, but


this extraordinary interview reflects a change in the way society


sees mental health. For many people, the change is not complete. There is


a discussion to be had about funding of mental health services and also


the stigma many people still feel, even when you have very visible


public figures speaking about their own experiences? As you said, the


subject is taboo. Everywhere, all places, there are people that have


been affected by it. Years ago it would be swept under the carpet.


This contribution he has made will bring that to the fore even more.


Even more so because it is a man speaking about it? Absolutely, and a


soldier as well. One wonders, I have not heard the podcast, I wonder if


the experience of serving with men and seeing what happened to veterans


is something he has spoken out about before, I wonder if that is one


reason why he has chosen to do this. He briefly touches on it, speaking


to fellow soldiers about their experiences made him rethink his own


experience as well. He said it was two decades that he lost. It kind of


puts into context all other things, being known as the playboy prince,


two hijinks. Was this his way of trying to get away and not think


about that? He lost his mother. Anybody losing a parent at such a


young age, it is such a traumatic thing. To live it in the


spotlight... And have to carry on? Carry on and keep that public face.


It is such a brave thing for him to do. Massive moment and huge


exclusive for the Daily Telegraph. It really is. Several very big


stories that we have been concentrating on a lot today. The


first one of which is on The Times. North Korea defiant as the US ramps


up pressure, Trump wooing China to counter nuclear threats. We are told


from the US point of view that they have some common ground with China?


No actual idea yet from anybody how they are going to respond. But the


fact they seem to be on the same page is progress? It is a sign of


the topsy-turvy world we live in where China and Russia are urging


calm. One of the most interesting things that I saw today, when you


look for information about Donald Trump, it is in his tweets. He did


several U-turns. One of them was accusing China of being a currency


manipulator. He said, let's move on from the currency manipulation


malarkey, we need to work together on North Korea. Of course, China has


a huge role to play. It is supporting North Korea in terms of


providing food, energy and resources. If the US decided to act


unilaterally, China would absolutely have something to say about it. It


is crucial for Trump that China is getting involved. We are led to


believe if this had not been a failed missile test but a nuclear


test, that would have been beyond the pale for China, even though the


consequences could be enormous if a destabilised North Korea were to


spill over its borders? North Korea, after all these years, it still


can't get it up. It probably is a nuclear state by now. Crucially, it


doesn't have the ability to deliver nuclear weapons yet. I'm going to be


controversial and say that this latest crisis actually does have a


silver lining. It is the sign of closer cooperation between


Washington and Beijing. Some American officials have claimed


there was an agreement to share intelligence that came out of the


meeting between the Chinese President and Donald Trump. A


general agreement to cut back on imports and trade, isolate North


Korea. If you look at the language the Chinese have used in the past


few days, they said there should not be a conflict, they advised against


it, but they have not invoked their 1961 alliance with North Korea. They


have not said we will come to North Korea's defence. Crucially, it could


be interpreted that if North Korea develops nuclear weapons and takes


an aggressive position, it could be in breach of the nuclear


Non-Proliferation Treaty. Under the terms of the 1961 treaty that binds


China and North Korea together, China would no longer be obliged to


protect it. It is possible North Korea, by coming a lot closer, a


step closer to being able to deliver a nuclear payload, it might be


cutting itself off from China. There could be a new concordat, between


China and America about North Korea. I do think the nuclear cloud has a


silver lining. Have you been practising that all day? That is


very good. It is actually a quote from Doctor Who, fans will hear that


and know what it is from! How do you follow that? Kim Jong-un, some


commentators say, once recognition as a nuclear state, as a nuclear


power. He is not likely to get that. He needs to be given a way out from


this? Yes, you press somebody up against a wall, you have to give


him... Or if he feels that he needs a get out. The vagaries of Donald


Trump and his policy moves, it is difficult to see how he would want


to give North Korea that. I don't think he is somebody a get out, he


is an alpha male, he wants to dominate and put people in their


place. To save face, the real politic is having to do, he has done


this about-face, accusing China of currency minute elation. Maybe he


has to realise that were diplomacy matters you need to give countries a


chance to save face. Let's look at the Financial Times and what is


happening in Turkey. I've gone to the wrong paper, have I? No, it is


the picture. Narrow boat, he claims victory in the Turkish ballot over


new powers. He was expecting to win by a much bigger margin? It was


predicted it would be 55%, it was closer to 51%. The opposition has


already said it is demanding a recount of some of the votes,


because some of the ballots that were issued were not officially


stamped. There are already grounds to contest this. What is it he


wants? You want is to replace Turkey's parliamentary democracy


with an executive presidency, that could give him the power to dissolve


Parliament, appoint judges, he could move the country more towards


Islamification than it has been in the past. This has been a real


turning point, not only in Turkey's history, but also relations between


Turkey and the rest of the world. Turkey is part of the Western


alliance, the Weston family. It is a bridge between Europe and Asia. For


it to take a step towards religious conservatism, eight more autocratic


style of government, that puts it at odds with its western partners. It


is a member of the Council of Europe, the Secretary General has


already said if you need help in navigating this, a reminder that


part of your responsible it is our upholding the rule of law, we are


here to guide you through it? The EU was in a difficult spot, it is


paying money to tick each year to solve that problem. It will be


interesting to see how the EU reacts officially. It is quite interesting,


a referendum about the country on the edge of Europe split down the


middle, it rings a bell with me somewhere. It is a rubber-stamp for


him being a single party strongman now and he can rule until 2029. It


is a turning point. It could be. Turkey has long wanted to join the


EU. But something he has said this evening that he wants to do is to


eventually introduce the death penalty. Europe has been clear and


said if Turkey does that, it does not get into the EU. It looks like


Turkey is choosing to face eastwards. He has got the result


that some commentators are saying in the worst possible way. It is too


small a margin to say he has a clear mandate to introduce the powers?


Asked him was saying, he was expected to get 55% and did not. It


was like the 52-48 that we had, it is not a ringing endorsement. It


creates more uncertainty. He was looking for a rubber-stamp. He


didn't get it. Now you have the opposition saying 60% of the vote is


being contested. It creates more uncertainty. That region is and


uncertain region. They are a buffer state between Syria and Europe. He


has used the cover of the coup last year to call this. I think he has


put something like 50,000 people, jailed or removed from their jobs in


the judiciary, journalists... He says that is to bring about


stability and security? He has to deal with Syria, the Kurdish


problem, Islamists from his own country. This is going to solidify


divisions and show us the size of dissent. Three of the biggest cities


in Turkey voted against it. The i, is it time to strip President


Assad's wife of UK citizenship? She was born in London and holds a


British passport. There is a move in Parliament to do exactly that.


Conservative MPs and Liberal Democrat MPs are calling for her to


have her citizenship revoked. The right to do that, I think it is


under the British Nationality Act, it lies with the Home Secretary.


Does being the wife of a dictator give you the license to say you are


not entitled to British citizenship any more? One important point, she


has been disseminating pro-Syrian, pro-Assad messages on social media


accounts. We are not at war with Syria. I'm uncomfortable about


stripping citizenship. It is usually invoked to protect the country


against someone you don't want coming in. I think everyone has


human rights, civil rights, she remains a citizen until she shows


good cause for having it taken away. Don't forget all the front pages


are online on the BBC News website where you can read a detailed review


of the papers. It's all there for you - seven days


a week at bbc.co.uk/papers - and you can see us there too -


with each night's edition of The Papers being posted


on the page shortly after we've Don't go yet, John and Tim will be


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