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of a sense of people coming together after the Brexit vote.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are John Crowley, who is editor-in-chief

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at the International Business Times, and Tim Stanley, the leader writer

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and columnist for the Daily Telegraph.

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Let's have a quick look at some of the front pages

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The Telegraph has an interview with Prince Harry, who talks

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about how he sought counselling to cope with the death

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The Guardian reports on the vote in Turkey giving President Erdogan

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the power for major constitutional reform.

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The Times leads with North Korean defiance in the face of pressure

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The i also leads with the tension in North Korea,

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reporting that China and America are working together

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The Mirror reports on President Trump's message that he is poised

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They say that the Americans caused the North Korean missile

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The Mail lead with the deterioration in UK Russia relations,

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And The FT focus on US commerce secretary Wilbur Ross,

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rubbishing International Monetary Fund claims of US protectionism.

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Many of the stories we have been reporting on today feature on the

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front pages, but we start with an exclusive in the Daily Telegraph, an

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interview with Vince Harry talking about how he has coped with the

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death of his mother. It was 20 years of not thinking about it, he said,

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and to make use of total chaos. A very, very frank, no holds barred

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interview that the Daily Telegraph has managed to secure. Our columnist

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has a new pod cast in which she talks to famous people about their

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mental health, and their first guest is, amazingly, Prince Harry, who has

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talked in this very unfiltered, honest, dramatic way about the

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anguish and the grief over his mother's death. It won't surprise

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anyone to know that he has been struggling with this. He lost his

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mum when he was 12 years old, and he has had to deal with that, and live

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with that, in the public eye. What really is astonishing, what makes

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the interview historic, is a member of the Royal Family talking in such

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a candidate and frank matter about so private a subject. He goes on to

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say later in the article, on the front page, which advertises the

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piece that he has done, the experience I have is that once you

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start talking about it, you realise that you are actually part of a big

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club. But it is that silence, isn't it, that people feel unable to share

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with each other. The trauma, the upset, the grief that they have gone

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through. Mental health issues are... It is still the boot, I think. But I

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think this historic interview will go massively fire to breaking down

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those issues that people have about talking about it, as well -- taboo.

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It is immensely brave, and he is using an princely language, using

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very visceral, human terms -- unprincely. He said he wanted to

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punch someone out, all the time. And you look at him now, I think, in a

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completely different light than before, when he made this interview.

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He is very much his mother's son. You are saying in the first part of

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this programme that it was reminiscent of his mother's frank

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interview about the divorce. It is also reminiscent to me of his mother

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reaching out to AIDS victims, a willingness to go somewhere where

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everyone is a little bit uncomfortable, the media, the

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establishment unwilling to break it to do, crossed a line, and talk

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frankly, without any elitism whatsoever -- breaker taboo. Being

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willing to go there and talk about it, in the same way she did with

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AIDS. How much of risk it that he has done this interview? I don't

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think this is a risk at all. I think people will praise him for his

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bravery in speaking about this. We were talking offset about whether

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Clarence House had seen this or not. Remember, he is moving into a new

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phase of his life, he has a girlfriend, but in November he spoke

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out quite extensively about media intrusion into his partner's

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personal life as well. It was said at the time that it didn't seem to

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have gone through Clarence House. There were a few ruffled feathers

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about how he had gone out an attack the media, and I wonder, with this

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interview, whether maybe he was shooting from the hit a little bit

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himself. So maybe there is that question about, wow, you have spoken

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so rawly about this, but I can't see any downside for him. He will get

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praised for this. You can't really do an interview on the subject, can

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you, without laying it all out? Absolutely. I guess if there is any

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risk, it is not about anyone thinking less of him for talking

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about the subject, if there is any risk it could be that some less

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scrupulous people in the press will take the view that he has opened

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himself up, so that invites us to go looking for more. I hope they won't.

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I don't think they will, because this feels so rave, so courageous,

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to almost go naked like this into the public with your deepest, rawest

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emotions, I think almost everyone will be touched by it and will

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respect it. Don't forget, it is about promoting his charity as well.

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He wants people to support Heads Together. It is not just someone

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talking about their private problems publicly. He clearly wants to send a

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message that people can and should talk about it, and even this great

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public figure is talking about it. In the Daily Mail, UK relations with

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Russia are at an all-time low. This is Moscow's ambassador in London.

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Saying that Number Ten has been raising tensions in Europe. How?

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Well, very undiplomatic language, taking a pop at Boris Johnson, who

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has perhaps had as a weeks. He presented his idea to the G7 that

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there should be new sanctions on Russia, which was rejected. He was

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also due to go to Moscow and cancelled his visit because Rex

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Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, wanted to go there as well.

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Very undiplomatic language for the UK to be using. Thinking of the

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Cambridge spy ring, Alexander Litvinenko, there have been bad

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moments. In the 1850s we were at war, but you can't get much worse

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than that. There is an interesting thing about the Putin regime, a

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willingness to use undiplomatic language, and even, as we were

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saying earlier, to troll people. The Russian embassy Twitter account

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sometimes goes after personalities and teases and trolls them. It fits

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in with that picture. Our relations at an all-time low? Well, the

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context of this is Britain sending troops to Estonia to put down a

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marker, along with NATO, to say we will not accept Russian aggression

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or revanchist when it comes to the Baltic countries. Our things at an

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all-time low? No. And there is more stuff that Britain could do if it

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wanted to send a message. This country as a source of enormous

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wealth for the Russians. There is a lot of investment, a lot of buying

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of property, a lot of money which goes through London, and any

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government which really wanted to punish the Russians could start

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addressing that. If the Russians think things are bad, it could get a

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whole lot worse. We will go to the Guardian. Calls for a recount as

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Erdogan claims new power in Turkey. The opposition are not repaired to

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concede they have lost, they want something like 60% of the votes to

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be recounted, looking for irregularities. It seems that some

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of the ballots did not have the official stamp on it. You can

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understand why the opposition... Every opposition says this, so it is

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understandable, and the result was very narrow, and therefore they are

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more inclined to challenge it because it could make a difference,

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but also this is a leader who has been arresting journalists, jurors,

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people who are dissidents, in other words, why would you trust him, if

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he is the state, to efficiently and accurately and fairly run an

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election? It is entirely understandable they are protesting.

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Of course, it puts Erdogan in a very difficult position. He has just been

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given the tools to use great power, but on the other hand because the

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country is so divided, if he is wise he will not use that great power. It

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is the worst possible outcome for Turkey, and he very deliberately

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used very strong man terms during the election campaign, a very bitter

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and rancorous election campaign, quite an emotive speech he gave

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afterwards. Saying that he wants eventually to bring back the death

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penalty, so then you have international bodies saying, be very

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cautious about how you proceed. And of course, with the EU, Turkey has

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long dreamt of joining the EU. You now have a strong man in power, do

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have a benign dictatorship or not a benign dictatorship on the borders

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of the EU? How does that impact on things, and how will the EU react to

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this as well? Tomorrow, bear in mind they have been giving 3 billion

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euros a year to solve that slight migrant issue we have going on in

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Greece as well. So it actually adds more uncertainty, this election. The

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rubberstamp the needed did not come. He thought he would get 55%. He

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didn't get it -- the rubberstamp he needed. And the government tries to

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block Iraq War case against Blair. It is a private prosecution. It is a

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private prosecution, the former chief of staff of the Iraqi army is

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trying to bring this. This is on the back of the Chilcott enquiry, which

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we all know about, which was published last year. Jeremy Wright

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QC, the attorney general, has said there are a number of reasons that

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can't be done. It is quite involved legalese, he has said you can't have

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aggression under English law, that courts should not rule to create

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criminal law, they should interpret the law. But again, we are talking

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about whether we are going to get involved in various disputes around

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the world. Of course, Iraq for many people still looms large in some

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people may say can we move on? I think if we did a poll of the

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audience and said should Tony Blair be prosecuted, it would be very

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interesting to see what they thought. He is not a popular man in

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this country, it is fair to say. The legal process still continues for

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certain people. Interesting to see the government intervened to try to

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quash this. It looks as though the private prosecution doesn't have a

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leg to stand on because he has effectively already been granted

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immunity, and there was a private prosecution -- if there was a

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private prosecution, stuff under the Official Secrets Act would be

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dredged up. Do people want to move on? I don't know. On the one hand

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Iraq was an enormous shock to the country, and it is something we are

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still living with the consequences. It still informs our foreign policy,

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it is one reason we didn't get directly involved with bringing down

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Assad in 2013. On the other hand, do we need to draw a line and move on?

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I am not so sure. You could put Tony Blair on trial, and that would give

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some people some sense of satisfaction, to see the past

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properly prosecuted. On the other hand, you might also feel it gives

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Tony Blair more oxygen and continues to keep him as a player within our

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political system. Which by the way he continues to want to be, he has

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announced his political comeback. Finishing with the Sun, Mission

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Kimpossible. US cyber spooks destroyed missile five seconds after

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launch, some intervention, the Sun would have us believe. Sir Malcolm

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Rifkind believes there is a possibility, that the US has the

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capability to interrupt a nuclear test like this, and it is possible,

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who knows, but that might have happened again. It is a fantastic

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headline and in some ways it is slightly irrelevant. The point is

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that it failed, and what matters more is what America and China

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between the two of them are going to do about it. Does it matter that it

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failed? If you didn't fail under its own uselessness, they couldn't fire

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their own test missile, and it had to be intercepted. Incompetency, or

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something worse, I don't know. The US has said it it had been a nuclear

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test then I think Trump would have taken action. I think that is the

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more important point. And that would have been an extra red line for

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China. Precisely. It would be an act of incompetence if your system could

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be hacked. So in that sense it is incompetent regardless of whether it

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took place or not. North Korea is probably already in effect a nuclear

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state. The issue is its ability to deliver them weapons. And one reason

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America has to act is not just being bellicose, this is a National

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Security issue. If North Korea can probably deliver a nuclear weapon

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across the Pacific Ocean and strike the West Coast, or Alaska or Hawaii,

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then it becomes a national security matter. And we have Mike Pence in

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the region trying to reassure North Korea's neighbours. Which was

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preplanned. We should make it clear that he didn't just decide to

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parachute himself in. We were talking earlier, and China is the

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big issue. What is their role in this, and how do they played? China

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has supported North Korea economically in terms of its energy

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resources, in terms of its food. Let's not forget, North Korea's

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raison d'etre is almost too destroy the country of South Korea. The

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question is, are they bluffing or will they see this through? It is a

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paper tiger. Its conventional forces are quite weak and could easily be

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overwhelmed. Despite those displays. At some of the stuff being displayed

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as possibly not even real. It is easy to whip up a crowd like that

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and put on a Big Show. That is why they have those big rallies, to

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intimidate the West. What is interesting is how laid-back South

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Koreans are about all of this. I think they are rather phlegmatic

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about it. You hear the Helen Furey coming out of North Korea all the

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time, and I think they have almost got used to it. Let's bear in mind

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soul is only 35 miles away from the border, and they do have thousands

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of armed missiles pointed at Seoul -- Seoul. If something happens,

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Seoul, with 10 million souls, would be in the crosshairs.

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Don't forget, all the front pages are online on the BBC News website,

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where you can read a detailed review of the papers.

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It is all there for you seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers,

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