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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are John Rentoul, the Chief Political Columnist

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at The Independent, Ruth Lea, Economic Adviser

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for Arbuthnot Banking Group and the broadcaster,

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Welcome. Thank you for being here tonight.

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Tomorrow's front pages, starting with this.

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The Observer leads on today's summit of EU leaders saying they want

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the UK to provide guarantees to EU citizens living in Britain before

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The Sunday Times reports that the other EU member states have

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rejected Theresa May's negotiating position and accused her of living

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The Sunday Telegraph says the Prime Minister has rejected

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the demands coming from Brussels with politicians on both sides

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of the Channel warning that the talks could turn nasty.

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The Mail on Sunday focuses on pensions, reporting that

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Theresa May will bring in new laws to prevent a repeat

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of the Sir Philip Green BHS scandal if she wins the election.

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The Independent has a photo of Theresa May campaigning

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in Scotland but its lead story is about Jeremy Corbyn.

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It says the Labour leader is looking at curbing arms sales to repressive

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And the Sunday Express concentrates on the investigation

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into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann,

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It says Scotland Yard's prime suspect is a woman.

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And now we will look at how some of the papers have been covering the

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meeting in Brussels of the 27 states you want to remain part of the EU.

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The Observer. Give us our rights or no trade talks. They urge a spirit

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of good will in the talks. Do they really? I think there is a bit of

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posturing in these talks. There is no question about citizens' rights.

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Everyone has agreed on that. What will be an issue is the price. How

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much will the exit deal cost? I could take a long time. That is

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where all the outlandish phrases about Theresa May living in another

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galaxy or a parallel universe are coming from. The amount we want to

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pay and how much they want us to pay are so far apart. Who will win that

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argument? They both will. Yes. I am an economist. You never see a person

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who is an economist with one hand. They say they will start with the

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divorce proceedings. I quite agree. The financial settlement will be the

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big Rob them. There has to be substantial progress before with dot

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discussing the new relationship between the EU and the UK. --

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problem. But if there is significant progress made, they will start trade

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talks. It is easy, Charlie, to think that Britain needs the trade deal

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more than anyone elsebut of course we do a lot of business with the EU.

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Exactly. I don't see why we need to pay to leave. I don't get the

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concept. I believe in a thing called powers of state and statecraft. Will

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they come and collect the money? Will they take us to court? If you

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have agreed to chip in to something, shouldn't you on that? Not like

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this. This is like a Hollywood divorce. It is almost like, who was

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it, Judge Ida bore, -- Zsa Zsa. You know, I will keep the house. To me,

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it just shows what the EU is all about. I will always believe this.

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We don't need them. We will happily trade with the individual states or

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with the EU as a whole. They will want to sell their products. We need

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a deal to do that. We will come back to the deal. The front of The

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Observer. Labour pledged to put a halt to unpaid internships and zero

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contracts. It is really small thinking. I would rather have an

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economy that is moving and giving people the chance to participate in

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it than this. We are supposed to be grown-ups. If the deal is not good,

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don't take the deal. But if you are desperate for a job? Then the deal

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is good. It is still your decision at the end of the day. Again, I

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would rather have, in certain situations, a job at low pay, at

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least knowing I am working, and have the ability to, you know... There

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have been some bad press things written about zero-hours contracts.

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What he is saying is an arguable, a job is better than no job. But you

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don't exploit workers, that is part of the. -- inarguable. Labour's

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policy is that they are against exploitative zero-hour contracts. I

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think they can be good ones sometimes. But the band altogether

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is a bit heavy-handed, actually. You risk people losing jobs. Taking the

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pay cap off of public sector workers, well, where is the money

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going to come from? We are still running a deficit of 2.5% of GDP.

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Will Jeremy Corbyn raise another ?20 billion? I worry about that and his

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attitudes to finance. When it comes to these, minimum wages, living

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wages, the ones it affects and lose out are in minorities. They are the

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ones that need to get on the ladder at any place and build up

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experience. They are the ones that suffer the most. Unskilled. Both of

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them have a stunt of raising the minimum wage. They are campaigning

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and using some other guy's money. If they want benefit out of the tax

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funds, you can argue about it. But I don't want Martine's money to get me

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a vote. I am so relieved. The Telegraph. Theresa May rejects

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Brussels' demands no sooner than they have been thrown out. Posturing

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and posturing. She won't, in my view. It is facetious to expect they

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will both win. What happens in a negotiation ordinarily? If you don't

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like it, don't agree. When she gave her speech in January, she said a

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bad deal is worse than no deal. Fair enough. But I do think she is very

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keen to get some sort of deal. And I hope that we do get a deal. Because

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I don't think it is a good idea strategically or indeed economically

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if you simply just walked away from the EU. It would be bad form or

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all-round. But I am optimistic there is enough good will. I think there

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is reasonable good will on all sides. It is in the interests of

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everybody. But there are constraints. She cannot offer a

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large amount of money, Theresa May, because voters back home will not

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buy it. She said we will fulfil our obligations. That could be 40

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billion pounds! Soon you will be talking large sums of money! I am

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disputing that. I think they are very keen to do a deal. Why would

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the papers exaggerate this? Because they are papers. Journalists, ay!

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Yeah, yeah, they just want a good headline. They are scandalous rags!

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There is a very good Matt cartoon on The Telegraph. We will not take part

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but we have to keep paying, like gym membership. Somebody reading the

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Brexit bill. Theresa May keeps saying she needs a big majority so

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she has got the mandate to negotiate how she wants to within Brexit. Is

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there any chance you will hold onto the single market or the customs

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union? This is an area I am not totally an expert on. I don't think

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we really need to copy from people I have spoken to that none more about

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these things than I do, I think that in a sense you are still a member of

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Europe by the backdoor because you will still have these laws affecting

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it. -- that know. I want three and fair trade. I am not against Europe.

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-- free. These people are leaks that are above everything. They have no

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democratic mandate as far as I am concerned. But I want to trade with

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Europe, I want to do and travel in Europe. But we believe Europe and

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make it more difficult. We will are leaving the single market, the

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customs union, no doubt about it. That will cause economic harm to

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this nation. I am not convinced that is true. Things will continue as

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they are doing. Even under the WTO this will continue. But we will have

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to pay tariffs and there will be less of it. They will pay more to us

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then we will do them because they have a very huge trade deficit. --

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them. 60 billion quid! What is? The trade deficit! Don't argue with an

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economist. Tory sidestep Heathrow split. The manifesto, will it

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mention Heathrow? I don't think so. We are one week away from the

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publication of the manifesto. Theresa May looks like she will

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dodge one issue that is difficult because Boris Johnson and Zac

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Goldsmith, who wants to be an MP again, are both opposed to it. Don't

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mention the war or Heathrow. What does that suggest to you about when

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a decision will be made, then? They will be kicking this down the

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runway, pretty much. Runway? This election is all about Brexit. This

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is giving her that referendum before the referendum so she can argue

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under her own terms, which, in some respects, I think, is needed. We

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decided to get out. This is negotiating. You have to live it to

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one person to take the lead-up to that makes sense. I can see it.

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Jeremy Corbyn, talking to some Labour people the other night, they

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told me they were scared to death of him. But Jeremy Corbyn has

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incredible grassroots support. He made not the popular among his

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parliamentary party... But that will not go. If they lose the next

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election, we should not really assume they will, but I think they

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have odds against them for a win. But if they do and Jeremy Corbyn

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steps down, does he go as leader? The membership could vote him back

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again. Opinion polls keep saying he will. The gap is slightly closer

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than it has been under three opinion polls, though. 50? 40? 11, 17, and

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13. I was in favour of him getting involved. I thought we could hear

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from the other side of the fair enough. Have a say. Then we will go

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back to normalcy. That is never a good idea. It isn't. I hang my head

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in shame. The Independent. An exclusive festival from Watts. --

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article. Jeremy Corbyn sets his sights on the arms industry.

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Considering a pledge on curbing arm sales. That has been in their

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manifestoes since year dot. The problem for Jeremy Corbyn is he does

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not have a reputation on national security. Anything which looks like

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an attack on the arms industry, however justified I think he is, is

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going to feed into perceptions he is weak on defence. In the arms is

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profitable which is embarrassing. But it contributes to trade. It

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amuses me, it says here, Sir Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary,

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praised a US firm that sold missiles to Gaddafi as a role model. This is

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always the thing, the ethical considerations versus how much money

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it makes. And if you aren't going to sell to one or the other, who do you

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not be friends with and have a relationship with? The one thing

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that truly scares me about Jeremy Corbyn, I am not going to agree with

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him politically, there enough. I got a quote out of him, the one about

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when Osama Bin Laden was taken out. I was on press TV with him and we

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were talking about not shooting him. I said, we can agree to not agree on

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the death penalty. At if you can't send your soldiers into the country

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to kill the enemy... When you have someone say, I will never press the

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button, that's avoidance of duty. You are supposed to be sitting in

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that seat at Number 10. But for some people that's an honest and south.

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But not when you are responsible for the safety of your country, security

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of the country. It is what we use and every day that we don't get

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attacked by somebody else and every day that things it's their... It's a

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deterrent and hopefully no one ever has to make that decision. The

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problem that Jeremy Corbyn has is Labour's policies to the deterrent,

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but his personal policy is to never use it, in which case it is useless.

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So there is a genuine political problem. John's story is called,

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Theresa May must abolish the Lord's. That's a provocative headline!

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Please explain. My point is that the one thing that could stop the recent

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May achieving a Brexit deal that she wants is the House of Lords. I am

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wondering whether she ought to put her commitment in the manifesto to

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reform or a abolish the Lord's in order to stop them stopping her. She

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isn't going to abolish the Lord's, is she? I think it is unlikely, but

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she ought to consider constraining the Lord's as the power further in

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order to prevent them causing problems during the Brexit

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negotiations. Well, they've got an election chamber, but they are meant

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to hold the government to account. I thought the behaviour when they were

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pushing out of the 53... The triggering of Article 50 was the EU

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notification bill. The way the Lord's behaved over that I thought

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was disgraceful. Why? Because they are on a late it. I didn't elect any

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lord and they just said... They were frustrating the will of the British

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people. I voted for Brexit. There was a referendum that said we should

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leave the EU and there were all of these unelected people who were

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potentially frustrating that particular position. A lot of people

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argued that Brexit was necessary to return powers to our Parliament,

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which is where sovereignty lies. Elected Parliament. Parliament is

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two houses, an upper and lower change -- chamber. How can you

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separate that? The Lord's are unelected! Where there is a

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difference is, in the system it is the Queen and Parliament. In the US

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system it is we the people. We've had a referendum and the people have

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spoken. Here it is we, the Queen. Ultimately it is... Yes. Seriously.

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We, the people. The people have spoken. Now the power that's been

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vested in the Lord's and the Parliament, even though it comes

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through the Queen, it comes to the people and they have spoken. Of

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everyone around the desk tonight, you were not the one I thought I

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would have trouble with! I am a well-behaved person usually. Not

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tonight, when I am in charge! I am a pensioner so I have to indulge! I am

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nearly 105! Where are we going next? Donald Trump. 100 days. How would

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you sum up his first 100 days? It thinks it has done extremely well,

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even better than FDR... Obama on a disaster, but this was wonderful!

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What's... He has had some stuff that hasn't gone well. His attempts to

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stop people coming in from certain countries were thwarted by the

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courts. They have the power to do it, but I think it was the wrong

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decision. He has the constitutional right to do what he did. He has a

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title law that backed him up. You could tell us anything! He did have

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the power. That's his jurisdiction to do that. For instance, the court,

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when he reject the thing, they were using staffie said on the campaign

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trail. That's ludicrous! But not just one judge made this decision.

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Successive judges made the decision. It was a nasty campaign on all

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sides. The press don't like him because he isn't part of the club.

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Everyone thinks he is this buffoon. Jon Sopel found out that you don't

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mess with the chief. He got slapped out of the press conference. But it

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doesn't make you think that he believes in free speech, does it?

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That press conference was all about the leaking of information and I

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could be where he was really hacked off, because he said, listen, you

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want to write bad stories about me, fine, if they are true. A lot of the

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stories haven't suited his purpose. A lot of them turn out to be true.

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100 days is an arbitrary marker. That said, he said it himself. He is

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going to have to live with some of it. It's been like no one has ever

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seen before, the first 100 days. He has changed his mind. Clearly

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somebody has advised him that he had thought that of his original idea. I

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am delighted. A lot of people said during the election campaign, don't

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listen to Donald Trump. Don't take it seriously. And so it turns out

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that in the 180 has tried to do all sort of things and as soon as he has

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resistance he does rethink it. When people were complaining about things

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not getting through Congress, that's how it is supposed to be. With

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President Obama... I am just going to sign the executive order, by

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people off... Donald Trump side plenty of executive orders as well.

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I am very glad he is settling down because I thought some of his

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comments were horrendously extreme. It is the checks and balances in the

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American city. It seems to be functioning incredibly well and he

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hasn't as an opposition from some of the judges, he has also had

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opposition from Congress, not least of all his own party. This is his

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own party, saying, hang on. So when it comes to all of this cut, I'm not

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sure he will get it through Congress. Let us finish with one

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other story. A comb. HS2 trains bulk up for the bulking. -- a comb.

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People are getting more fat. Broader? Taller and bigger. So they

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need to have bigger seats. This is HS2 so it gives me a great

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opportunity to say that I think HS2 is a dreadful white elephant and

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there should be banned forthwith! That will make it more expensive! I

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think it's a waste of money and I think it will further increase the

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pulling power of London in the UK economy because it is just another

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railway out of London, which will attract more commuters. The

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economics are rubbish. We should be spending the money on better

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transport links in the rest of the UK. Better roads. I think our roads

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are disgraceful, as someone who spent a lot of time on motorways. I

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take the train to Manchester. How fast the you need to get there? It's

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a small country! Maybe you should get a rocket from London to

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Manchester. Two hours! You read and you work. And you watch the

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pretty... I'm sorry but HS2 has no takers around this table. Many

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people who have lobbied for it, she says... That's it for the night. We

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should try and do this more often. Three guests, half an hour, yes!

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Thank you all very much. Coming up next, it must be time for the

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weather!

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