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Sunday. And adrift for 32 hours in the Irish Sea - the rescued surfer

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Matthew Price tells the BBC he had prepared for death.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are the former trade minister, Lord Digby Jones,

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and the broadcaster and campaigner, Henry Bonsu.

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They are both going to respect each other's opinion and not talk over

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each other at all! LAUGHTER The Telegraph leads with the Duke

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of Edinburgh who is retiring who is retiring from public

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duties this autumn. The Daily Mail pays tribute

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to the Prince with a salute The Sun has totted up a total

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of over 22,000 personal engagements The same story is on the front off

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the i - the paper estimates that the Duke has

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made 5,000 speeches. The Times claims that the Queen's

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consort decided to retire to avoid The Mirror says the BBC claims that

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Sir Cliff Richard has spent an unreasonable amount on legal fees

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after taking action over coverage The Guardian's main story

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is a warning from Donald Tusk for Theresa May to show respect

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during Brexit talks. And the FT's top story headlines

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a six month slump in oil prices. There is a glut of front pages

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dedicated to Prince Philip's service over nearly 70 years and his

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decision announced after an emergency meeting at the palace,

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which got everyone excited this morning, to step down in the autumn

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from public service from his public duties, well, most of them anyway.

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The Sun says he has had his Phil! Almost 70 years is... I am going to

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ask Henry first. I will be evenhanded. Thank you very much. It

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is a lovely picture for a guy who is supposed to be the man of his time,

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the stiff upper lip. He smiles very warmly and the Sun has captured

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that, 22,000, we think of him alongside the Queen, but he does a

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lot on his own, 5000 speeches, and they haven't kept out of the

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countless gaffs that he cannot win. Fantastic coverage, and people will

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be pleased to keep this. I think the reason it was so exciting and it was

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like an emergency, it is like last week, or was it the week before,

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when we were told Theresa May would make an announcement. They are

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trying hard to stop leaks, aren't they? The only way to do it is you

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don't know anything about it, the next, bang, emergency meeting. In

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this review of the papers, if you look at the way they have treated

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very interesting, because in the very interesting, because in the

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Sun, they played it, and a few years ago, maybe, at its garrulous best, a

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lovely one in the Mail, Her Majesty. Which we can look at now, Sandra, if

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you would? I was going to say, contrasting them, if you look at the

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Times, they have him in beautiful, naval uniform. We are not using the

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Times, Digby. And if you look at that, that is how the nation would

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see him in his public service duty, then look at the Guardian, that has

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an old man... He is rewriting the rules! I am not your glamorous

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assistant, I am the host! They have an old man frightened in a car and I

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thought better of the Guardian than that on a day when you could

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celebrate something, they have played it happily. Except that one.

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Except for the Guardian. If we can, we will go back to the pages four

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and five on the Daily Mail. Thank you, yes. And what does it say?

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Well, they call them the superb royal writers, self praise is no

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recommendation. Isn't it? They are very good at writing and they have

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done for several years. They call it the greatest double act of them all.

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And a double at writing about a double act, referring to Her Majesty

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and her husband. Interesting point in this article in detail about his

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marvellous 70 years public service. But it says we will probably see

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less of Her Majesty in public because he is going into private

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life. She will probably support him more in private and therefore not be

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available so much to us. We have been moving towards that, haven't

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we, with Kate, William and Harry taking on the duties, and Princess

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and is taking on more. And Prince Philip hasn't just been thinking

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there since the start of the year, he gave an interview on his 90th

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birthday in 2011, I think, when he talked about slowing down a little

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bit. But of course he got straight back into the fray and it has taken

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six years to get to this position. Very interesting insight in this

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piece in the Mail where he talks about how the Queen is still a shy

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person even though she has been on the throne for a long time and often

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she will wait before she goes into a room and greets everybody to gather

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herself and it is Prince Philip who is the warmup man and he thinks he

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can make anyone laugh in 15 seconds. He does that, he will put people at

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ease, and that is the double act. The yen and Yang. People we spoke to

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have said that about him, he likes it when people challenge him -- ying

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and yang. I have sat next to him at various things and he likes a good

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quality argument, not a row, a good-quality discussion. And yet at

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the same time I can remember Pat, my wife, sitting next to him, she had

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never done that before, she was apprehensive and he put her at her

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ease. She will always think well of him for that. He can have a row with

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me and then be... He probably made a joke about you, Digby. Dave, who is

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producing tonight, suggested we get them into do the papers. That would

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be marvellous. We will get George Osborne as well. The editor of the

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Standard. LAUGHTER the Daily Telegraph, Matt

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has had a little look at this one, and here we've got the cartoon, and

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it is the curtains that have been pulled back across the rail to

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reveal the clerk, and it says unveil your own damp plaque.

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It is a matter of public record, of course. Princess and, if she has

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taken on more, I don't know where she will get the time, she is one of

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the busiest. All of this is a matter of record but for the Sun to whip it

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up quickly, yes. Someone has had the calculator out. You often think of

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him reading out a speech someone has written but he have to think

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something to to people every day. And even when he feels, you know, I

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have so much time for the Royal family in this respect, they have

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off days, they all do, and they still have to shake hands with

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strangers and make them feel wonderful and they have to turn up

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to the 42nd millionth... They recognise they are in a unique

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position. Ambassadorial duties for the nation. And I say God bless him

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and he deserves his retirement. Let's look at the Guardian - show

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respect in Brexit talks, Tusk tells May, in response to the leaking of

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the conversation she had with Jean-Claude Juncker. I wonder

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whether there is a message to the other side as well to show respect

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and do not leak stuff. Well, exactly. In negotiations, if you are

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losing, get as many leaks out as you can and brief against them. I think

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Jean-Claude Juncker was showing signs of that with the leak of this.

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Interesting the way the Guardian - because the Guardian and the

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Financial Times are both propaganda for the Remain. The other lot are

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the same for Brexit. I am merely stating a fact. Well, a propaganda

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sheet is not just a fact, is it? If you look at the headline of the

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Guardian, show respect in Brexit talks, Tusk tells May, even the

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Guardian carry in the third paragraph, appealing for a

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ceasefire, he, May, chided Junker for leaking to Downing Street. So,

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even they have said, hey, cessation of hostilities on both sides,

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please, not just one. Yes, if you look "the Guardian has, these

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negotiations are difficult enough as they are. If we argue before they

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begin, it will be impossible. He is being the oil on troubled waters

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because both positions are hard at and who knows where they are going

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to go. It will be hard to roll back if it continues. Isn't it posturing

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on both sides, and when they get in, of course, all of that horse, the

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amount of money which we will come onto in a minute, that we might have

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to pay to leave... We won't be privy to the talks. We won't get a

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communique. So much of it will be behind closed doors. The other thing

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in the Guardian report where I think the way they show it is good, I

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think that Tusk is playing a blind, actually, and I think his conduct

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from the day he got the Article 50 notice all the way through has been

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statesmanlike. He has been very moderate. He has risen above it.

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What did he say, we miss you already? He had a tear in his eye. I

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think, you know, for a relatively new member of the EU, he is from

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Poland, I think he is, he is an example on how things should be

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done. And then, how helpful is it for a Prime Minister involved in

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these talks, to say, I am going to be difficult about it? She has a

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domestic political agenda, a general election to fight, she has to appear

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to be strong. I will take the talking stick from you and give it

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to Henry just for a minute. Part of the reason why the EU is playing

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hardball is because Britain has been quite aggressive, you know. Since

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Theresa May became Prime Minister she has made it clear that she is

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prepared to walk away, she has played a very, very kind of close

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game with extreme right-wing Brexiteers, to the extent UKIP will

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be in seats defended by Brexit Tory candidates, so you don't expect the

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EU Commission and the EU to take it lying down because it is a

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negotiation and they will defend their positions and hopefully meet

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in the middle. And there is an election to be fought in the midst

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of it, and Brexit will be a big issue. What I think will be lost if

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Barnier, the EU negotiator, if he isn't careful, there are two aspects

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that Europe wants, one is, call it for what it is, punishment. We can't

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have people threatening to leave, we have to be nasty to the Brits to

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teach everyone a lesson. Secondly, they cannot cut off their nose to

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spite their face and they have to look after the countries of Europe.

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Can I move onto page seven of The Express, this is associated, EU to

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face crisis with ?85 billion from the UK that they need to balance the

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books, but David Davis says these numbers are fantastical. This figure

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which we talked about in the previous hour came from the FTA

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couple of mornings ago, not from the EU, the FT has a model which will

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scale things up from the quoted 60 billion euros, up to 100 billion

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euros, ?85 billion. And Barnier hasn't quoted the figure. The Daily

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Express conflated these things together. The direct quote from

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Barnier is, "We have to be rigourous in the approach to clearing the

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accounts." That is sorting out the effort bill. "Otherwise The

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situation might be explosive if we stop programmes, imagine the

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problems." Not talking about riots in the street. Talking about

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difficulties, diplomatic difficulties. He also said, in

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quotes, in the article, "Member states don't have a right to those

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assets, be they drinkable or non- drinkable." The big wine cellar. And

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you see, there is an argument that says we have about ?58 billion as a

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share of the EU's assets that we have helped to buy, so if I was

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negotiating I would say, I don't agree with the ?85 billion but I

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would like ?58 billion please, and we talk the differences. That is a

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fantasy figure as well. Of course it is. They haven't attributed that

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figure to any organisation. The figure of ?100 billion came from the

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FT report. They need to stop handbags at dawn and behave like

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statement that they are meant to be. After the election. After the

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general election and the French election. And the Italian is coming

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up as well. The FT, a couple of stories, the Thames Water fined over

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river sewage dwarfed by ?1 billion pay-outs to owners of a ten year

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period, Thames Water, privately held, dumped the equivalent of 21

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supertankers of untreated sewage into the River Thames, and ?1

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billion was paid out. How can that be justified? Well, it can't, and I

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wrote a book about this. What I tried to say, talking about fixing

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business reputations, and I feel passionately about the role of

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business in society and how, without the wealth creative part of it, you

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don't get a public-sector, you don't get tax, and I named companies that

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have done nothing to help the reputation of business. Loads of

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them. Frankly, this lot have just joined the list. It breaks my heart.

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Because a good hard-working businesswoman sitting in Newcastle

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on time, risking her house, creating ten jobs, rarely seeing the family,

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working hard, she has as much to do with that story and then they get

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lumped together as businesses. I am not sure it goes together. It really

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worries me. And I condemn this and I am grateful to the FT for putting it

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on the front page. Can people tell the difference between the worst of

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big business and a small to medium-size business?

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That's why we have different terms. I have been a businessman. I have

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taken risks, I have lost a lot of money, that is why I so bitter

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LAUGHTER We are not saying that Thames Water is not paying taxes. We

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have a guy... Accountability is something we are looking for and we

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do not find it in this story when you consider how much damage they

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have done, huge amount of untreated sewage, the amount they have paid in

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dividends in ten years and how little the fine has been, it does

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not sound like a balanced approach. You could not make this up. They pay

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themselves more money than the fine but then the dividend goes to

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shareholders in Luxembourg and the Cayman Islands. It has got

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everything. It breaks my heart because so many businesspeople every

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day, watching this programme, will tell you this is absolutely

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disgraceful. Donald Trump wins vote to replace Obamacare. They have

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finally crossed the first hurdle. 20 Republicans voted against it but

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over rolled the figures went their way. All the Democrats voted against

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it. What they had to do to get it across the line, no protection to

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existing pre-existing conditions. The states will be able to opt out

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of the rules prohibiting insurance from charging people extra premiums.

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It is going to mean that at least 24 million people will not have

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healthcare who currently do have it. It has all been changed so much but

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it seems there will be millions of people without healthcare but

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premiums will come down, it will be more affordable... For the rich

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people. And more companies to offer the policies. I find it... It is the

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nature of America. Very generous country in terms of foreign policy.

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There is a huge abortion issue. And yet here is a country that you can

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buy a gun down at the drug stop but it has 30 million people with no

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access to health insurance. The contradiction... Isn't the argument

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for some people is that government has no business meddling? Pricing

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should be but facility, that is for government. The government is led to

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set the framework. When government retreats, it is the wild West.

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People unprotected in the richest country in the world. Structure is

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for government. Some collectors stories. A beautiful rainbow, the

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picture story. You can see it. A diesel car sales slump. Suggestions

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there might be a scrappage scheme. Ever likely that people are thinking

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twice about which car they will buy. If I was looking to buy a new car

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would not be buying a diesel. People are being punished. People are

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encouraged to buy these cars at ten, 15 years ago. It was a government

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policy. Theresa May has acknowledged that. The CBI. It was all about

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turning the diesel. Interesting point, a personal issue, if you have

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your car almost invariably is these days, what my mum would have called

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the never never, on a contract brand which is the residual value of the

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car so what you are left owing is what the second-hand price is. On

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that basis, if you're residual value has gone straight through the floor

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because diesel car sales slump, no finance company is going to do that.

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You will find a lot of hardship because of these apparently

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underfinanced link situation. New car registrations are going down. In

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general. Down by 20%. Suing over pollution. The government facing

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class action. From diesel vehicles. Absolutely. In the last few years,

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we have a barrister seeking to bring the action. I am not sure how many

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people will join in this action by claimants are looking to identify

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specifically children living in polluted parts of London. More and

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more people will contact her now that the story is out. On a purely

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legal basis, not on a moral issue and health issue, sensitivity to

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people suffering, but purely from the legal basis I cannot see how you

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are going to get a claim that sticks on such a wide ranging... Where is

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the cause and effect, and who can prove that it was these that cause

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these pollution? We all know what is going to happen, it will make a lot

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of noise. Daily Star is where we will end. 52 premiership stars,

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after the Everton winger mental health problem coming to light, all

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sorts of stresses you imagine being a premiership football player are

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nothing but positive about the stresses they are under a massive.

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They really are. These are guys who are plucked from school at the age

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of ten. A lot of them do not develop the coping skills. Everything,

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especially at the top level, is done for you. When you hit a fork in the

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road, it is difficult. People really struggle. In foot will there is no

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great deal of sympathy for quick is all perceived weakness. Years ago

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clubs were not aware of the problems. Stan Collingwood's

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experience at Aston Villa, John Gregory at the time, it it was

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suggested he could have been more supportive. John Gregory did

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acknowledge that Stan Collingwood needed to go away and get some

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proper help. He understood eventually the difficulties. One of

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the problems is... Henry is absolutely right, they are not

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equipped to deal with problems. Statistically, there have to be

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quite a few gay footballers but the point is, the culture makes it

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difficult to be yourself, be normal, be gay, so what, the mental stress

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that must put on plays is appalling. Even if you are a top player,

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playing two games a week, there is an awful lot of downtime. They go

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betting, golf but a lot of people... The devil makes work for idle hands.

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Too much time, not enough to do and they struggle to cope, especially

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when they are not playing. A lot would be homesick. We forget this,

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one day you're playing with your family, nextday you've been

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transferred to another country. All you are on the bench, not playing.

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29 years old, on the bench, it can result in a lot of stress. The work

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the Royal Family have been doing, the younger royals, this might be a

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bit of a breakthrough. It would be courageous. It would be great. It is

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a strange word to use but they could be role models. Strange word to use

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when they are suffering but they could be role models. The former

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chairman of the PFA attempted suicide a few years ago, now we have

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Aaron Lennon, let's hope this time people is concerned sticks. And the

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goalkeeper... You hope to keep it at the front of people 's mind. I will

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give you seven out of ten. Room for improvement but much better. The

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talking stick stays with me, I am in charge! That's it for the papers

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denied. Thank you for coming. Thank you for going. LAUGHTER See you

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