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will keep running the team and I'm determined that we will get the | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
America's Cup back. Hello and welcome to our look ahead | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
to what the the papers will be With me are the political | :00:00. | :00:18. | |
commentator and journalist, and the Foreign Editor | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
of the Sunday Times, Peter Conradi. Welcome to both of you. Let's have a | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
look at the front pages. The Observer leads with fire safety | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
in schools, saying proposals to relax standards are to be | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
dropped by ministers. Prince Harry dominates the front | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
page of the The Mail of Sunday, saying he considered | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
quitting his Royal role, The Sunday Telegraph headlines | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
"Blackmail fears after MPs The cyber attack is also the main | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
story on the Sunday Times, who report there was fury | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
at the time it took And the Express leads | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
with an image of Jeremy Corbyn - saying he ignored Armed Forces Day | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
invitations to appear Let's dip into at least some of | :01:03. | :01:17. | |
those over the next 15 minutes. Let's kick off with the Observer. | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
Bezy, take is to their front page, whether used the word "Panic" to | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
describe what ministers facing over fire safety. It is quite an apt word | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
for a lot of what has been going on in Whitehall and Council buildings | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
up and down the country, obviously still trying to work out what on | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
earth went one at Grenfell and what measures should have been put in | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
place before Grenfell and need to be put in place now. The Observer | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
kicking off by saying this is all about fire safety in schools | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
specifically. One of the shocking things is that in, I think, between | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
2007 and 2010, 70% of new school buildings that were being built were | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
installed with sprinklers. That has gone down to 35% because of this | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
loosening of the regulations that the accusation is the Conservative | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
Government was putting in place. Their argument was there are fewer | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
fires in schools, schools are better built, the sprinklers are | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
unnecessary, and unnecessary cost. Obviously everything has changed | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
now. David James, the Conservative chairman of the Conservative | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
all-party fire safety group has been saying for a number of years that | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
these new regulations were absolutely mad, "Crazy" was the word | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
he used, so he will be applauding this U-turn. So we are looking at a | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
complete change in attitude, Peter? I think we are. Reading the Observer | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
story, there is a quote in there, "School buildings don't need to be | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
sprinkler protected to achieve a reasonable standard of life safety." | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
As a parent, I think what is a reasonable standard of life safety? | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
I think the problem is that what started in an awful -- with an awful | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
fire in a tower block is go to spread across all of our buildings. | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
We're talking about schools here, elsewhere they are talking about | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
hospitals, the extent to which how many hospitals are clad? How many | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
other public buildings which Mark I think this is going to grow and grow | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
and be a bigger and bigger problem. And in the Telegraph, with more | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
reference here specifically to tower blocks and warnings over the | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
compulsory testing of some about installation. Precisely. What we had | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
with Grenfell Tower is we had insulation and we had cladding on | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
top of it and the attention so far has been focused on the cladding, | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
but looking at the installation now and the insulation is highly | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
flammable. That is the scary think you combine that with the chimney | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
effect and it is shocking stuff, really. And the problem is, as we | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
know, an inquest has been announced but if they are going to do their | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
job thoroughly, it is going to take a considerable amount of time. On | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
the other hand, people are saying lives are at risk and if we have any | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
repetition Grenfell, we will all, the political classes, will be held | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
culpable, so there is real tension between the two sides and also, of | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
course, after a disaster like this, if anybody starts to say we don't | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
need these extra regulations, they will be immediately accused of | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
putting lives in danger, so the politicisation of it is very | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
difficult to manage when you are looking at it from the regulators' | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
point of view. And the public inquiry, of course will be held, but | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
they take time and there might be an interim statement of some | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
description from that inquiry. But weirdly satisfy some of those who | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
want more urgent... It will give some cancers, then you are so many | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
people calling out conspiracy and cover-up and until you get some of | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
those answers out there, that will continue to feed into the story -- | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
it'll give some cancers. And you have people living in tower blocks | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
who are being told they have to be evacuated and saying no, my tower | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
hasn't suddenly become dangerous since Grenfell went up. It is such a | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
issue. Let's talk politics more specifically with regard to the | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
Conservative Party. Daisy, staying with the Telegraph, Tory quote to | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
skip "Toxic generation" and installing a younger face as leader, | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
which would suggest going past the likes of Boris Johnson and David | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
Davis. Saying that generation are all tainted by the failure of the | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
Conservative Party to win the outright majority. It's like he | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
makes you smile, hopes are turning to the "Golden generation". Who are | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
saying this? And who is this golden generation? The Tory MPs, we are | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
told, who were elected in 2010, so... And also some of the more | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
junior Cabinet ministers, Dominic Raab, Priti Patel, Sajid Javid | :05:53. | :05:59. | |
Orrell mentioned. Jessye Norman is one of the 2010 alleged golden | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
generation and I do think he is an impressive man. Boris Johnson's | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
brother also mooted. We all know that if you are mentioned as a | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
possible leader, it probably is the kiss of death and it will probably | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
never happen but I agree that people of Theresa May's generation and the | :06:16. | :06:23. | |
big beasts, David Davies, whether it is David Davis or Boris Johnson, I | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
suspect they are... That they probably has passed. Interesting | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
that there is a reference to David Cameron in the peas, that when he | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
joined the leadership race in 2005 that he wasn't very well-known. That | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
is true but as Daisy says, talking about this golden generation but | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
that is a new definition of Goldemann, it is difficult to feel | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
inspired by anyone. -- of Goldemann. The only one I think who were | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
genuinely have a chance is Ruth Davidson, the leader in Scotland but | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
she is not an MP and she has said on many occasions she is getting | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
married, she wants to have a child, her life is in Scotland and that is | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
where she once the state. I have seen at least two commentators in | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
today's paper saying route, your country and your party need you and | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
of course, they could force a by-election, they could get her in. | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
It is possible. It looks a bit desperate, doesn't it, really? Joe | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
Johnson would be great, Joe against Boris, the Miliband brothers all | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
over again. But does the country want another if Tony and running the | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
party -- I suspect possibly not. Talking of Boris Johnson, he | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
features in the Mail on Sunday, which I have thrown open on pages 16 | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
and 17, not entirely by accident, this is talking about further plots | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
and this is... Well, secret Tory battle cry of DD 4pm, David Davies, | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
and we have a photograph of him and Boris Johnson with Biff and Bob | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
alongside them. It is wonderful stuff. It all seems to be based on a | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
party that happened after the Queen's speech and for me, the best | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
bits in it is the role played by Sir Desmond Swain, a backbench Tory MP | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
for the New Forest West. Pictured with a marvellous hat on. A | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
marvellous Holmberg. We are told that he wears a homburg hat around | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
Westminster, swims a quarter of a mile in the Serpentine and he has | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
apparently said Theresa May is the only person who stands between us | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
and Bolshevism, in this 100th anniversary of the Russian | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
Revolution, but he is basically singing David Davis's praises. I'm | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
not entirely sure, I like Desmond Swain very much and he is one of the | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
more gullible members of the Conservative Party in every way but | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
I'm not sure he is in tune with what the general public one. I think | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
there are rumours that the Tories now have fewer members than the Lib | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
Dems. We don't know because the latest figures... As in party | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
members? Party members. And we know Jeremy Corbyn is getting party | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
members by the thousands by the day, so I just think they have got a real | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
problem with that and Conservative backers, I see in the Telegraph, | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
Alexander Timerco, Ukraine born businessman who has given the Tories | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
have ?1 million, he is calling for a dynamic, young and articulate new | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
leader and we all know... That is the same in every walk of life. | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
Money does speak in politics when your backers lose weight. What have | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
the Sunday Times written? Another twist on the saga, so much plotting | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
going on. This version suggests that Theresa May will step down and that | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
Phil Hammond will come in as a sort of interim leader. But not for a | :09:44. | :09:51. | |
full five years. No, it is a bizarre strategy, suggesting he is not | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
re-electable either but let's have him for a bit and we will have | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
someone else who is. Make that gives them time to mind the golden | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
generation. So he would take is passed the end of the Brexit | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
negotiations is the theory. But he would agree in advance that he would | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
stand down, so he would be totally lame duck, as bad as what we have | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
got and I love this quote that says "He told me, he beat Phil Hammond, | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
"That it Theresa May could be Prime Minister, so could he." There is a | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
ringing endorsement, because most people would agree she is not doing | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
a fantastic job. I would love to be a wall in the conversations between | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
those two. I wonder where these bits and pieces come from, briefings and | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
nudges and winks that go on in the Palace of Westminster. It is all so | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
unattractive and at a time when we have got serious problems, Grenfell, | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
Brexit negotiations, no Government to speak up, the deal with the DUP | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
still hasn't done, Northern Ireland still doesn't have a Government and | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
you think, really, I load of Tory leadership navel-gazing, is that | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
what we need? In Parliament, the other story highlighted, blackmail | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
danger, this cyber attack. Yes, the Sunday Times, a couple of minutes | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
they are making -- a couple of points they are making, the most | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
damning news is that it happen on Friday morning, they are having a go | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
at the Parliamentary Digital director, Rob Gray, who we are in | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
form earns ?110,000 a year and used to work for the Royal Opera house. | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
The complaint is he didn't tell MPs about this until 10:30pm, for fears | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
of the thing being compromised. I am not sure... If it was the Russians | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
what done it, I'm not sure what they would've made a correspondence | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
between MPs and their constituents, they probably would have been a | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
little underwhelmed by some of it but as ever, it shows how vulnerable | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
all institutions are to hacking. And people nowadays tend to be so much | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
more careful and more aware of the paper Trail, the e-mail Trail, that | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
can be left. But because most people suspect that there isn't anything | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
that interesting within most MPs' inboxes as far as Government or | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
party politics, they are concentrating on the fact that there | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
could be something juicy as far as blackmail or inappropriate messages | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
going back and forth and I suspect there will be a lot of nervous | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
researchers. "Did I really write that?" It couldn't possibly be me, | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
someone must have accessed my computer. Page two of the Mail on | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
Sunday, this is Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury with his | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
thoughts on the Brexit negotiations. I'm a big fan of the Archbishop of | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
Canterbury. I think he is brave and has been very outspoken on a lot of | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
issues since he took office and he is calling for, he says, to draw the | :12:35. | :12:42. | |
poison from Brexit, for a coalition and I think he is absolutely right | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
on that message, because Brexit is such a big deal and it should be, in | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
theory, above party politics. On the other hand, I've absolutely no faith | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
that anything will happen on this because it's been made such a | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
political issue over the last generation, Europe, leaving Europe, | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
after the referendum, that the parties are set up to fight punch | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
and Judy style with each other and I would say are totally incapable of | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
joining a coalition. These kinds of coalitions are needed on pensions, | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
the future of the NHS, there are so many issues that should in theory be | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
above party politics. It is part of a longer interview he has done. It | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
is a comment piece he has written that goes from the solidarity shown | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
over Grenfell to the lack of solidarity, the opposite, over | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
Brexit. Peter, take is to the Sunday Times, because you highlighted this | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
story outside the studio, this is with reference to what a Dutch | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
doctor is saying about end of life care. Yes, it is. A chap called | :13:47. | :13:55. | |
Marcel Levy, the chief executive of University College London Hospitals | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
and he looks at the huge amount of resources that are devoted to | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
patients in the last moments, the last months or weeks of their lives, | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
or whatever, and not obviously only from the point of view of cost but | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
from the point of view of suffering and says should we really be doing | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
this? Is it really worth it for people, to put them through that | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
last bit of dialysis, that last treatment, just to prolong their | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
life for another week, another two weeks, if they are going to spend | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
most of those weeks being treated? Why not just accept it is all over, | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
make the most of it, go on holiday with your family instead? My father | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
was in a hospice when he was dying and the difference in treatment that | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
you get in a hospice, which is obviously all about end of life | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
care, making it as good as possible in those last few days, to the care | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
that you get in a hospital was very very marked, because they are | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
experts in that area and they were so impressive in both treating the | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
dying person but also the family, and looking after them, and I learnt | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
a lot from that experience and ever since have been massively keen on | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
hospice is getting more funding and more recognition for the work they | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
do and I think the treatment you get when you come into the world, in | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
maternity wards, and the treatment you get when you leave the world are | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
so important and often don't get the funding or the attention because | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
people get so worried about the idea that withdrawing treatment is | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
somehow cruel and, actually, very often, it's the reverse. Time is | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
tight so a brief thought from you both on the fact that Jeremy Coleman | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
has made it onto the front of the observer with a microphone in his | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
hands speaking to the crowds at Glastonbury. All you have to say | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
about that is could you imagine any Conservative doing that? No, you | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
can't. Desmond Swain in our homburg hat. That tells you all you need to | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
know about what is going on in British politics. Because of his | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
attraction to youth voters particularly. It just underlines it, | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
Jeremy Corbyn superstar as far as Glastonbury is concerned. Yes, it | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
was all Jez, we can, apparently. Time has beaten us, that is it for | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
the papers, thank you to both and a reminder, we look at tomorrow's | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
front pages every evening at 10:40pm on BBC News. Daisy and Peter, go off | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
and do something even more important with the rest of your day. Thank you | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
very much. | :16:26. | :16:28. |