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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are Ruth Lea, who's Economic Adviser

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to the Arbuthnot Banking Group, and the journalist and columnist,

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Tomorrow's Financial Times leads on what it says is the Chancellor's

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bid to cushion the blow of Brexit with a two-year transition deal.

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The Metro says the Chancellor is at loggerheads with

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some fellow ministers, who he accuses of trying

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to undermine his strategy for a soft Brexit.

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The Daily Telegraph also leads on the supposed rift

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between Philip Hammond and his Cabinet colleagues,

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one of whom accuses the Chancellor of trying to keep Britain in the EU.

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The Times says Britain is wasting billions on fighter jets

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that the RAF won't be able to use because of defence cuts.

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Call 999 - get Skype instead - that's the headline

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on the Daily Mail, which reports that some patients are being denied

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And the Sun leads on the new Doctor Who -

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the 13th Time Lord is the first woman to play the role.

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The Mirror leads the new Doctor -- greeted the new doctor with delight.

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We might have fun with that in a bit! Let's start with what's going

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on with Brexit and Philip Hammond. The Daily Telegraph says - Hammond

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accused of Brexit treachery. Senior Cabinet minister says Chancellor is

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trying to deliberately frustrate withdrawal. Not too many names

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mentioned in these articles about who is doing what to whom. Everyone

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is being treacherous. They've got a Cabinet minister who allegedly told

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the Daily Telegraph that Philip Hammond is working to frustrate

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Brexit and is treating league supporting ministers like pirates

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who have taken him prisoner. It is getting really quite weird, isn't

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it? It is indeed. There doesn't seem to be much discipline in the

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Cabinet, if I may say so. I think the Prime Minister should get to

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grips with these naughty boys, don't you? But she's only a woman! Can

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they run a Government? I think Mrs Thatcher did. I think this is hard

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on Philip Hammond. I read his Mansion house speech about two or

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three weeks ago and I came here that particular night to say I thought it

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was a very good speech. I thought he made it clear that we were leaving

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the customs union and single market but he was keen to have a

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transitional arrangement. It strikes me as eminently sensible. And you

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are pro-Brexit... I thought it was eminently sensible and I couldn't

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see anything in the speech to object to, so I don't see what is going on

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with these leave supporters. The whole thing seems to be getting out

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of control. That problem with that prominent Brexiteers is that they

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are constantly on edge, they don't trust anybody, not even their own

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colleagues, they think this thing will be snatched from them, and they

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have won the battle but if they don't behave themselves, they will

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lose the war. David Davis, who I think is doing an excellent job,

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came out with papers last week and again, it was quite obvious from

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these papers that we are leaving. He is not trying to stop Brexit? It was

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unequivocal - we are out. Unless Tony Blair has his own way, way

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leaving. It's not that straightforward, is it? -- we are

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leaving. Between now and then, there will be so much happening, and will

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have to be some tempering of the we are leaving and leading in this way,

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because the EU will put demands on us, and it will have to be a

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negotiation, and that means give and take. There are still millions of

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people in this country who still don't agree with it. I know, you

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don't need to put up your hand! Whatever you think about the EU, and

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a final agreement will have to be negotiated, no question, but the EU

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has accepted we are leaving, and we are leaving the customs union and

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single market. There are arguments over the European Court of Justice,

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but to cut a long story short, they need to settle down. We won't let

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them settle down now, because we are going to look at the Metro. There is

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supposed to be a safe space in the Cabinet where people can discuss

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things without it getting out. You need that candid exchange of views,

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and if the Chancellor is saying, I don't like people leaking... I don't

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think it is about Brexit any more but about a leadership bid, about

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trying to find out who will replace Theresa May, and that is the second

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problem that is now affecting the way the Brexit discussions are

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going. I don't have very much time for Philip Hammond, but I do think

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it must be awful to say things in a safe space, and the very next hour,

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it's out there. When he says he thinks that Brexiteers are trying to

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undermine him because he wants to make sure that jobs and the economy

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are protected... It's sensible. But how are the pro-Brexit MPs trying to

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undermine his efforts? I don't understand why they are doing it.

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But how are they doing it? I thought his Mansion house speech was fine,

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just that he wanted the transition 's -- transitional arrangements.

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The trouble is, they are positioning. It is time that somehow

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discipline was imposed upon the cabinet, because this looks

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absolutely terrible. I think that Philip Hammond is right that if he

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says things in Cabinet, however bizarre they might be, then they

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should be confidential. Is it odd that Europe has been akin to -- a

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bone of contention in the Tory Party for as long as I can remember, and a

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referendum was supposed to fix this, and yet there is all this

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infighting, whether it is about Brexit of leadership. It is both,

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and I think there is this total paranoia that somehow this thing

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will be taken away from them and there will be no healing in the Tory

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Party for the next 100 years. The general election changed it all.

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Shall we move the Times? There is an investigation here - Britain spends

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billions on flawed fighter jets. The cost is going up and up, Ruth - why?

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I wouldn't like to say. Unfortunate, as that is what I just asked you! I

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am not an expert on the defence budget. I know. This investigation

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suggests that the next generation of warplanes will be unable to function

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properly because they won't have the money to run them. That may be

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right, but I think that big question is, the Ministry of Defence will

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have to answer this, go back to the Times and all these critics and say,

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these new fighter jets will function properly. The burden of proof is

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really on the Ministry of Defence to explain themselves. I can help you

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with that because we have had a statement from the MoD, and it says

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Cole and we are committed to the capital air35 programme, which is on

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time, within costs, and offers the best capability for our Armed

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Forces. -- and it says: We are committed... If you look at the

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article here, some of the problems are that it will not be able to

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operate without revealing its position, which is not very stealth,

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is it? In the MoD, under successive governments, not a political point,

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there has been massive overspending and bad purchasing, and unexplained

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decisions in this department for the longest time. But also cuts. The

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cuts, we understand and we have been told about, but this world of

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profligacy, because it is defence, there is a protection around it.

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They had to explain themselves, that's the bottom line. The MoD is

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also slightly compromised in terms of who they can get to build things

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for us, because you can't just give it to anyone anywhere in the world.

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It has to be allies or preferably built here. Why aren't we building

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them here? Since it was British jobs for British workers, why are we not

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building it here? It may be more efficient to buy from the States.

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The key thing is, the MoD has to explain itself. It is only

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efficient, and I never understand this... You can't -- if you say you

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were building for a certain price, you can't keep increasing it, but

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you can if you are building it for a Government. Will will have to see

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what the MoD has to say. -- we will have to see.

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The sun Doct-her Who. Jodie is first woman doctor. She has been doing

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some filming already. That is the Telegraph - we want the sun. Is that

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possible? Shall I fill it up for you? You have it. What do we think?

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An excellent idea. It says here that Doctor who started 54 years ago. I

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remember that. Of course you do! 1963, with William Hartnell. But it

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is the first time we have had a woman. And such a to do about it for

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some people. 2017 and we are getting excited about this? I mean,

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goodness! It's about time too. Having had a woman Prime Minister in

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1979... It should have happened a long time ago. Very good that we're

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doing it now. She looks good. And she is a very good actress. I

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watched her in Broadchurch. It will be interesting to see what kind of

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doctor she will be and whether they will give her a male assistant,

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perhaps you will have a woman. One of the newspapers is suggesting that

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perhaps the BBC are being too to PC in doing this. Of course. Any change

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that comes up, this is the accusation. 50% or more of the

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licence payers are female. We pay for this. I can't get too excited

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about it. I'm very pleased that we got this female Doctor Who, but I

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can't say that it's going to keep me awake at night. No, we shouldn't...

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It is excellent, I'm really thrilled. How long have you been so

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powerful in the banking sector? I have not seen Doctor Who since Jon

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Pertwee. I think that was the last time. If the banks could let you do

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this, why can't a fictional television programme? It's

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excellent, excellent. Isn't it quite sad that we even have to comment on

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it? Anyway, we will see, and I hope she will win round some of those who

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say they will never watch it again because they have spoilt the

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franchise. People are saying that. Both people are stupid. I am

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interested in when the second woman will come on and get the same role.

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That will tell us a lot. Or someone who is not white will stop oh my

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goodness! Steady on, steady on! One thing at a time! Back to the

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Telegraph, if you would, please. If I may, to quote Ruth. BBC offers

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stars protection. This is because the high-paid so-called talent, a

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word I can't abide, is going to be published in a list. Those earning

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more than ?150,000. The BBC is worried about the safety of some

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people. I think the abuse levels are now so awful, but whether you are, I

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can understand that. There is a suggestion here that people are so

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worried for themselves and their families that they might need to be

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protected, Ruth. Indeed. I must say, in the general election, there was a

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lot of abuse potential MPs, which was deeply worrying. It seems to

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have come into our culture that if you see somebody in the public

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arena, you can just abuse them. I'm quite horrified by it, actually.

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What is the BBC meant to do? There has been pressure for the BBC to be

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more transparent about who gets paid what at a higher level. And I think

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they are right. This is a public service broadcaster, and we know,

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for example, how much money some vice chancellors are getting in

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universities, and they don't like those numbers published because it

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does them no good at all. It has to happen if you are in a public

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service. What sort of protection will the BBC offer these people? I

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can understand why they are doing it. It will cost more money. I am

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appalled by the online abuse. It will also show the range, which will

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be interesting. It will. That's it for the Papers for this hour, but

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don't forget, all the front pages are online on the BBC News website,

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seven days a week. Each edition is also posted on the iPlayer if you

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miss it, shortly after we finish. Ruth and Yasmin will be back again

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at 11:30pm. Next, it is Meet The Author.

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There isn't a single full stop in Mike McCormack's

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The story is a monologue that reads like a string of thoughts -

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sometimes poetic, sometimes rough, often disturbing.

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And they tell us about one man in one hour, on one day -

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