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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

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With me are Sian Griffiths, Education Editor at the Sunday Times

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and Robert Fox, Defence Editor at the Evening Standard.

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The Sunday Times reports a Cabinet Office row in

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which the Chancellor Philip Hammond is said to have referred to public

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The paper reports general 'astonishment' from

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The Independent reports a poll that suggests that a majority of voters

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would be happy with a tax rise to see the salaries of emergency

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Brexit negotiations are on the front page of the Observer,

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with a warning of chaos ahead and a former EU Ambassador saying

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the Talks have a one in three chance of collapsing.

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The Sunday Telegraph leads with the salaries

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of the BBC's highest earners, suggesting there is a gender pay gap

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And there's a great image of Garbine Muguruza's

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balancing her Wimbledon plate on her head.

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The Mail on Sunday says the French Government and banking

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chiefs are engaged in a plot against the British banking sector.

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So let's start. The front page of the Sunday Times, your paper, Sian.

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Chancellor says public sector is overpaid and these are remarks that

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the paper has got from five separate sources? At Augusta. It's a great

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story. It's Philip Hammond saying that they cabinet met Joe Murphy

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meeting on sector are overpaid. He refused to

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be lift the pay cap because he says they earn 10% more than private

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sector workers taking into account pensions. What is really giving us

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the headlines for that is on several occasions he apparently used the

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word overpaid, and of course at the moment, you know, after the

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election, with a mood in the country as it is, that is such a strange

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thing to say. Teachers are doing that school funding should be higher

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and teachers salary should be higher and we have seen the recruitment

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drives and schools, and it does not capture the mood of the nation. I

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guess it is true that if you look at pensions, public sector pensions are

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generous. You can make this argument about the 10% differential, but

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against that, public sector workers have actually seen their income fall

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in real terms over the past seven years, and it just seems to me an

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extraordinary miscalculation, really. As though he hasn't learned

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anything from what has been happening of the last few weeks. I

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feel duty bound to fake the Treasury quoting their confirms the

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Chancellor has talked about public sector workers of having it in

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percent premium, because of pensions, but denied he used the

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word overpaid. Many put that on the record. Robert Wood, what is so

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interesting about that, is that other Cabinet ministers. Such as

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Johnson and goes say the public sector workers should get a pay rise

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-- Boris Johnson Michael Gove. This is the player in the paper and.

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No fewer than five people leaked the story of a confidential cabinet

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meeting. Because our defence correspondent, I can hear the

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torpedoes leaving the tubes and they are sinking Phil, forensic

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spreadsheet Philip Hammond, potential leader, you are sunk. That

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is what's going on, it wiped it out, tin-eared. I experienced him when he

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was Defence Secretary and he is known as spreadsheet bill, he looks

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at the bottom line of the finances, he looks at the accounts. But he

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doesn't get the hinterland. He talks, albeit privately, without a

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sense of irony, about a list at the time of Grenfell Tower, of the need

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to reward public services. And the public now feel that the public and

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emergency services, particularly as Sian mentioned, are under rewarded.

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I know the 10% and so one, actually it is people like senior civil

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servants, senior military, senior diplomats, and I hear them banging

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on at meeting after meeting. They are an index linked, very, very

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substantial pensions. That is part of the inequality and this will play

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very, very badly, I think, with the public as a whole. But it is a

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political game, it is part of this awful expression of being on

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manoeuvres. Most people in this cabinet seems to be fighting each

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other. It's so interesting because innocents we've had this story of

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the Prime Theresa May saying looking at the pay public sector pay cap

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will stay, it didn't but come a -- Iddon becoming front-page story. I

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think it is a death warrant for the government. They will find it

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difficult to fight a Tamil election which won't be in five years' time,

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I protect it will be in a austerity ticket -- fight a general election.

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We will talk more about Brexit, a large component of the Brexit vote

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was the sustained effect of austerity. They are on a high risk

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game. We will get on the Brexit surely but we want to look at one

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other story on the Sunday Times, your story, Sian and the new GCSEs

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that have been sapped by 16-year-olds this year and all the

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All I found this really interesting. I didn't interview with the new

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Chief inspector. I didn't expect her to come from this angle. But she is

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really worried coming into the job that kids are not getting a broad

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and balanced education. She has seen in schools and teachers drilling

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kids with their GCSEs and for all GCSEs. They are taking three instead

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of two years to teach them, kids to think their GCSE options at 13.

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Others such as art, music and drama, all those we think of a balanced

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education, are often the things kids become passion that abounds, are

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being squeezed out of the curriculum. There is a feeling of

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schools are becoming almost like factories. We get new GCSEs in maths

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and English this summer, with the new grading scale -- grading scale.

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A lot of parents don't know that they are a start to G and they will

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be harder than in the past. The whole thing is bubbling up to be a

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complete mess, to be honest, in August. We will brace ourselves.

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Let's move on. Staying with your paper, Sunday Times getting a lot of

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coverage today. Lots of coverage on acid attacks. In the latest acid

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attacks, a child has been laid for the grooviest bodily harm and other

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serious offences. We -- GBH. We are not talking about

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that specific case. We have seen an area of London where it becomes a

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fashion. Look at the National statistics, the incidence of the

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attacks has doubled. It is a fashion and it is disturbing. It seems to be

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now the thing. Almost in the wave knife crime came in as an epidemic

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among a certain category of teenager, a demographic. I'm not

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doing it by class or whatever. The point is, the thing raised by Amber

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Rudd, who is effective in addressing it, you are looking at the wrong end

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of the tell us that if you go have it too is sentencing policy. In the

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age group we talk about, sentencing isn't much of a deterrent. I think

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its greatest huge global questions about policing, about community

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relations, about what is going on. There is a subculture in a lot of

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these inner cities where things are breaking down. And this kind of

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outrageous attack is completely acceptable. Equally we have that

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licensing regimes for this substance, it's jolly difficult to

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do. Why would you want sulphuric acid? You can make it easily. One of

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the more the suggestions was stopped and searched policies to try and

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catch people carrying acid and actually it is becoming a problem in

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schools. We found 12 year were taking acid to schools and sports

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drinks bottle. It is quite frightening. We come from north

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London where there has been a spate of attacks. There are a group of

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children who ride in balaclavas and bikes via live and I myself feeling,

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I regarded them as slightly worryingly and there might snatch my

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phone. And now I think I have to keep well away because they might

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have acid which is a life changing attack. Absolutely. Let's move on,

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give the other papers a look. Let's look at the Observer. Former civil

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service head warns Theresa May of Brexit chaos. Overwritten? Or

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underwritten? I write for a bit of the Brexit chaos paper as well. Our

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points and warnings have been good in the standard. We are up there

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with the Observer in the Guardian. They are quoting the ambassador but

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also their former head of civil service and really very much at the

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helm, and someone I have known well, for whom the expression tough-minded

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is an understatement. It is chaotic. I am rather dismayed, being from the

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Eurotrash tendencies, being an Anglo Dutch family and working in Italy

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extensively, at how little of Europe is being understood by this. We come

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onto another story of the male from a French conspiracy. But here we are

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so badly prepared for this. I have been taught to buy a number of

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senior civil servants and diplomats who are extremely worried about

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this. And the other side of the negotiations, so-called, are

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extremely worried about how unprepared everybody is. It's highly

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complex. They are not even asking themselves forming a David Davis all

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Liam Fox or Theresa May even, have they any understanding about what

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the shape of Europe is going to be? We now have to think in six months's

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time, in 18 months' time, one thing that is sure, the Observer are

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pointing to as well, no way Billy hard and fast exit negotiation

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position being prepared by March 20 19. This is extremely difficult.

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Angela Merkel and Macron are in a project that has gone for some time

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on reshaping Europe. It cannot go on as a single speed Europe. Things

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like the olive oil belt, the problems of migration and Brexit,

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and migration particularly is top of it. I want to reshape. Angela Merkel

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pointed this do David Cameron, Cameron says I will win the vote and

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we are headed for a difficult Tamil election around 2019. The job will

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be far from done a rampant -- general election.

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Brexit plot to wreck Britain -- French plot to Great Britain in the

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Daily Mail, what do you think? The story is France is allegedly

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threatening to disrupt and destroy the city and French executives are

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offering money to France to move from London to France. To move to

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Paris. This is all from a memo from Jeremy Brown? The City of London's

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Brexit envoy? He has met banking chiefs in Paris and written this

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memo to the Mail on Sunday. I love the headline. Bombshell memo leaked

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to them are so spiteful plan to destroy the city at any cost. So the

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stakes are very high! You can see them rubbing their hands with glee

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with that headline. Mail on Sunday, let's lighten the tone slightly on

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the front page, Jodie Whittaker, broad church star, tipped to be the

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first Doctor Who. I don't know the first thing about Doctor Who. Oh,

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come on. It's a lovely story, it's such fun. What has to be said, the

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outgoing doctor, Peter Capaldi, he has raised it to a new level.

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Fabulous actor, who real hero worship, he and David Tennant

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between them did such a good job. Because we also have David Tennant's

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broad church farm partner, Olivia Colman. But we have another answer,

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transgender. He contains identity, it must be a transgender Doctor Who?

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Even if it's not a transgender Doctor Who, this idea it is going to

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be a woman and the first female Doctor Who. That will really play

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for young people for whom this whole idea that you can choose your

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identity, you can be male or female gender binary, that is such a lovely

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modern idea. But I am so perplexed, I thought he could only have 12

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regenerations and this is the 13th, is that right? When will they put

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those stars of another genres, John Sargent or Ed balls? That would be a

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turn-up for books. The power of the imagination, they have done a

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terrific job. We find out today don't we? Straight after the tennis.

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Talking about gender, let's go to the front page of the Sunday

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Telegraph, more traditional gender story, BBC braced for pay row. You

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must be in the middle of it. I first came to the BBC 49 years ago and

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it's always been around. This is based on the fact that later this

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week, the salaries of over 100... Those that are concealed by a

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commercial confidentiality company, we won't know about. I think this is

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a terrific tilting point because we name names here, Fiona Bruce,

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apparently gets half a million. Some of the big radio stars like Nick

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Robinson, presenter of the today programme, I find it difficult

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personally, to where salaries like this. He gets very high six figures.

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20 seconds I have to let Sian have saved. Gender pay... I find this

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very. Get more. Women earn less money than men do and that is what

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disclosing the gender pay gap is about. It'll be interesting to see

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on the Today programme, Sarah Montague, John Humphrys, what do

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they get paid? We find out on Wednesday. Thank you for watching.

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That is it for the papers, my thanks to our guests.

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Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrows front pages every

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Hello. Yesterday was cloudy and damp for many. Think brightening up from

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the

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