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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are John Rentoul, political columnist for the Independent,

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and Anne Ashworth, associate editor of the Times.

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Tomorrow's front pages: The Independent reports a poll that

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suggests that a majority of voters would be happy with a tax rise

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to see the salaries of emergency services staff go up.

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Brexit takes the front page of the Observer,

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with a warning from civil servants of the challenges that lie ahead

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The Sunday Telegraph leads with the soon-to-be published

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salaries of the BBC's highest earners, suggesting

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there are discrepancies in pay between genders,

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and there is also a great image of Garbine Muguruza's Wimbledon

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The Mail on Sunday says the French government and banking chiefs

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are engaged in a plot against the British banking sector.

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And the Times reports on the row following a Cabinet meeting

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in which the Chancellor Philip Hammond referred to public sector

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And I think we are going to have to start with that, because that is

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going to really annoy so many people. Well, Hammond is on the Marr

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programme tomorrow. How will he talked his way out of this one? And

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also, mustn't Hammond really be concerned about how disloyal his

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colleagues have been to him, because people are coming out of Cabinet and

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just freely sharing what has been said. It seems as though the

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Chancellor thinks that public sector workers are really overpaid,

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ludicrously overpaid is how he describes train drivers. But this

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seems to be on the basis of pensions. Now, we know that public

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sector pensions are more generous, but he may be referring to some

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quite controversial figures showing that the amount going each year into

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the typical public sector pension is almost twice that of a private

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sector worker. So one doesn't know whether the comparison was bad. But

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that is what he bases his argument on. That is certainly the Treasury

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view, that public sector workers do have that benefit that most private

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sector people do not. But it is not how public sector workers feel,

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because they have felt that he really squeezed for the past seven

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years, and this is not going to go down very well. It is not at all,

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and just to get the background on this, this took place, he said this

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during a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday and this is coming out now. It is

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the same one that he was reputed to have said that driving trains is so

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easy that even women can do it. As I say, they may as well hold Cabinet

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meetings in public. Why don't they all send us an e-mail, tweet it out

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maybe? The Donald Trump way. And the Sunday Times, you are also going to

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have an interview with the Police Federation chairman, and he will be

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warning that actually if police do not get a proper pay rise, security,

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national security, could be at risk. And yet you have got Philip Hammond

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saying this. There is huge amounts of restive spirit of a public sector

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pay. Wages have been frozen in lots of jobs, including the public

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sector, it is very live and it is a very saw issue with a lot of people.

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He seems insensitive, just at the time when you would think Mr Hammond

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would be positioning himself to be the hail fellow well met person who

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could be the next leader -- sore issue. There are people briefing

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that Philip Hammond -- Philip May would like his wife, Theresa May, to

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stand down. It is pretty undignified. It is, but as you say,

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we have this poll in the Independent tomorrow which shows that the public

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mood has changed on public sector pay. People do not agree with Philip

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Hammond about this, and so this is going to be very damaging for him.

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And it does raise the question as to who is telling the papers this kind

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of thing. Because it is obviously people who want to stop Philip

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Hammond becoming the sort of safe pair of hands option to succeed

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Theresa May. Interestingly, in that meeting, apparently Boris Johnson

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and Theresa May said that public sector workers... You should not say

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that they are overpaid, so we are getting a lot of details. Your poll,

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1500 people were polled and they believe that public sector workers

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should get a pay rise. Not only that but 60% of them are prepared to pay

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higher taxes themselves to fund it. They realise there is no free money,

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and that does mark quite a big shift since the... We have been, when it

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comes to polls, how was this poll fray as the? You have to be a bit

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sceptical, but it is worth asking that question, and certainly if you

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put... It was a question about emergency services, would you be

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prepared to pay higher taxes to give them a pay rise? And that is an

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emotive subject, what with Grenfell Tower, and so on. If you brought in

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about the public sector workers generally, people are less willing

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to pay more in taxes. The mood is shifting against the government on

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this. And this is going to be Philip Hammond's problem come the budget in

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the autumn. He needs to say something on public sector pay. He

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knows he will be the leader -- who knows who will be the leader of the

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party at that time? But people will be looking for him to make some

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concessions, but also, what does it mean for the tax bill for everybody?

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And also, if public sector pay workers on average earnings are more

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heavily taxed, what is the point of paying them more? He will not say a

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tax increase, is he? That is against Tory policy. It might be that there

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is some stealth taxes. He is not a chancellor worth his name unless he

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knows how to introduce some stealth taxes. We touched upon the

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leadership. We have the Sunday Telegraph talking about David Davis.

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Apparently he has the backing of 30 MPs who are backing him as leader.

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In the same article we are told that he didn't want to be leader. He was

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not seeking the leadership. What is going on here? Well, they would all

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like all their colleagues to say you are the person who will rescue us on

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the mess we are in. Seems as if there is disarray, just at a time

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when we need politicians to be operating at the height of their

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skills and to be thinking about Brexit and the Brexit negotiations.

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It seems that the Tories are in paralysis, wondering who they should

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knife on the back and who they should support. Who is going to be

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their leader? It is unedifying, it really is. No wonder we don't

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respect politicians. On the question is whether it is sustainable, as

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well. Immediately after the election I thought that is Theresa May

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finished, she will have to go. But then the Conservatives could not

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agree on anyone to replace her, so I thought well, actually, she will

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survive until Brexit. But with this kind of story in the papers every

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day, it is beginning to feel as if, you know, Theresa May won't be able

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to carry on for much longer, because she can't get anything done. But is

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David Davis the man who could go up against Corbyn? Does he appealed

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because he is a single parent family, grew up in... That is what

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his supporters are telling the Telegraph. Because he is perceived

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as a man of the people. And in Brussels he has to reputation there,

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a good relationship with the leaders. He is the only one of the

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Brexiteers who has improved his reputation since the referendum.

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Boris Johnson seems to be sinking like a stone and there is an

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interesting poll which finds that Boris Johnson is the most favoured

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to succeed Theresa May, but they also ask, if people had to choose

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between Boris Johnson and David Davis, then David Davis wins, which

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I thought was very interesting. I think that is because Conservative

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supporters would prefer David Davis, as they think Boris has been

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undermining the party somewhat. This kind of speculation cannot go on...

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Well, it can go on for a very long time, but it is not very good for

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the government, and it is difficult to know how they can pay attention

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to negotiating Brexit when they are busy briefing papers on how dreadful

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their Cabinet colleagues are. And while we watch that, we are taking

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our eye off the French, who are taking their bankers out of Britain.

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Apparently Mr Macron has spent the week being very nice to the trumps,

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and he wants a really hard Brexit, to disrupt the city of London, a

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crucial source of income tax revenue for the nation -- Trumps. And he

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wants all his business transferred to Paris, and he is already

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softening his stance on taxation. There will be further concessions.

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There are a huge number of very powerful French bankers here who he

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would like to have go home, and he would also like loads of fund

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managers who want to operate throughout Europe to relocate the

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whole of their businesses to Paris. But we always hear that they are

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going to leave, they are going to leave. They don't leave, though.

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Their kids are at school, they enjoy the life, they pay lower taxes

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here... This is one of the big arguments about Brexit, is whether

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the city of London can continue to operate at the level it has done.

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And I think it will be quite difficult to undermine it. I think

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it will take more than just a bit of disruption and a bit of tax cutting

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and warm words from Mr Macron. What he may get, though, is more people

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opening offices that, which they would be able to relocate the whole

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of business to. So in a way he will be able to subtly undermined the

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whole of the structure of the city of London, which is crucial to our

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economy. It is a very important source of revenue. Love bankers or

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loathe them. We won't answer that. The Sunday Times, schools... The

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more difficult GCSEs that schools will be taking part in, and they are

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wreaking havoc with the school system, according to the schools

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chief, who said the real substance of education is getting lost in our

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schools. It is a bit of a worrying thing. If that is actually true,

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that we are losing sight of the real purpose of education, what is going

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on here? Are we focusing on exams? It is an exam driven curriculum,

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that people are being taught to the exam, as they say in the trade, and

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they are not receiving a broader education. I mean, this is the head

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of Ofsted, and she saw some classes where pupils were being taught the

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marking system for the GCSEs rather than the actual subject they were

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supposed to be being taught. And people are being encouraged to drop

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subjects at the age of 13 because they feel they would not excel in

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them in the GCSEs and get a start grade. Even when we were in school,

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I lost geography very early on, it was too long ago. Contrast that to

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the French, who tend to be educating with a broader curriculum for

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longer, and thus are very well qualified for the workplace. Let's

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look to the future. The Daily Mail has a lovely story. They have a tip,

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the first female Doctor Who, a gorgeous picture of Jodie Whitaker,

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the star of Broad church, St Trinians. I am a huge fan of Doctor

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Who, but I don't know who Jodie Whitaker is, I am afraid. Is she

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quirky? That seems to me the key ingredient for a convincing Doctor.

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She is female, which is wonderful, but why are we making a big thing

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about whether the next one is female or an ethnic minority? We were just

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talking about this story out there, everyone seemed to know about Doctor

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Who, and who they liked best. It is kind of like Bond. The conversation

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about... OK, I knew this was going to happen. We are going to run out

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of time, and we have left the best story until last. Thank you for

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joining us on the papers. Don't forget you can see the front

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pages of the papers online It is all there for you seven days

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a week at bbc.co.uk/papers. And if you miss the programme any

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evening, you can watch it later Coming up next,

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it is Meet The Author. But that's all from me,

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Anne and John for this evening. There isn't a single full

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stop in Mike McCormack's

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