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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


With me are the entertainment writer Caroline Frost,


and the parliamentary journalist Tony Grew.


Tomorrow's front pages, starting with...


This is the lead in the Times. It is the insistence by the Chancellor,


Philip Hammond, that Britain won't be turned into a tax haven after


Brexit. The FT reports that Japan's largest and has chosen Amsterdam for


its banking headquarters as a result of uncertainty over Brexit. The top


story in the Metro is the decision by President Putin to expel 755 US


diplomats from Russia in what it calls a new Cold War. The Express


claims that workers are cashing in their hard earned pension pots early


and being overtaxed. The Daily Mail says British tourists are being


charged hundreds of pounds for scratches and dents on higher cause.


This front page criticises Channel 4 for broadcasting the Diana tapes --


on higher cause. The times and more Brexit headlines. This time from


Philip Hammond, saying that we won't be a tax haven after Brexit,


Caroline. Yes, there has been lots of talk about his position in recent


days. However, it seems to be that his is now the loudest voice when it


comes to talking about where we are currently with Brexit. Sometimes it


is different to other Cabinet members as well. Yes, most


interestingly for journalists like Tony here. The key phrase is that he


will wish the UK to remain recognisably European following


Brexit. By which he is talking about not slashing taxes, not changing


regulations dramatically. He doesn't want the UK to turn into a sort of


Singapore style on wave, by which it is somehow going to be completing


with other countries for sort of deals against Europe and the like --


it is going to be competing. This has not gone down well with


everybody. Tony, it's confusing for our viewers when you have these


talks going on in Brussels and different messages are coming out of


Downing Street, often from cabinet members, that don't seem to be in


line with what is being talked about in Brussels right now. This is just


another example of the chaos of the Government. There is a fantastic


line here. Philip Hammond gave an interview to a French newspaper


saying that often he hears it said that the UK is going to participate


in unfair competition. But he said it in January to a German newspaper!


What's going on at the moment is that there are two camps. The Prime


Minister is away at the minute, C have the Chancellor and the Home


Secretary, Amber Rudd, they want a soft Brexit. Then you have Liam Fox


and Boris Johnson, they want a hard Brexit. Theresa May's authority


isn't as hard as it was. That is so sweet of you to describe the Prime


Minister is having authority, because she doesn't have any! She


can't sack anyone would do anything. But she is the Prime Minister. She


is out of the country and she has left Philip Hammond nominally in


charge. There are various useless trade deals that Liam Fox does and


Boris Johnson, they try and keep out of the country as much as possible


for this reason. The Chancellor and the Home Secretary is not in it to


announce soft Brexit deals, infuriating the right of their own


party -- sneaked in. Is it chaos or is it that we just don't know things


and different opinions are coming out at different times? Thing is


most worrying is that the noises we are getting from Brussels, we don't


know what we want, tell us what we want. We don't appear to know what


we want because the Government is speaking in two different ways about


what they want. Hammond is saying we are going to be a European country.


On the other hand, Liam Fox was running around saying, no, American


style food standards, we are perfectly happy to accept


chlorinated chicken. That's not a European approach to animal welfare.


We don't know what we want. For any non-politico looking at this, nobody


is happy. The people who voted for Brexit are saying, that doesn't look


like Brexit, it looks like remaining by any other name. The remainders


are saying, it still a Brexit. Neither side will come out of this,


I can't think of one single person who thinks, that's the result I was


after. That takes us nicely to the Daily Telegraph. Johnson and Fox are


out of the loop on EU migrants. This is the talk about what happens when


it comes to freedom of movement post-Brexit. Again, lots of


different messages coming from different cabinet ministers. They'll


even admitting it, they are playing it like a chess board, if that has


been said, I'm not part of it. Nobody is being vocally disloyal.


Certainly nobody is denouncing Theresa May in her absence but they


are distancing themselves, should the positions change in a week's


time, they say, that doesn't mean I disagree. Somebody here, Doctor Fox,


his turn to say, I'm not part of this, it's not what I am for. But


Amber Rudd and Philip Hammond snuck in with this similarly to the


regulations on the tax, the single movement, the free movement, will be


very much the same, the fact of remaining. Tony, Philip Hammond


saying something very different to Liam Fox. Yes, absolutely. Amber


Rudd last week effectively saying we are going to broadly look at what


happens with migration. This is a reality -based approach is opposed


to a fantasy -based approach. When you say things like that, you are


going to worry the majority of people who voted for Brexit. All I'm


saying is that we're going to make a decision soon. This is the maximum


point of danger. Do we have a three-year transitional arrangement


to stop us falling off the hard cliff, or do we go with the


Government who seem to think that everything is fine and we don't need


to address the issues? Businesses have been saying to the Government,


for example, agriculture, we need hundreds of thousands of seasonal


workers to pick vegetables and fruit out of the ground. If we don't have


them, we won't be able to pick fruit and vegetables. That's Brexit, there


is no freedom of movement. This is the point, Brexit isn't a concept


that is fixed in stone. We have dozens of options available to us if


we can do go shoot. That is not what people voted for, Tony -- if we


negotiate. Then we are going to come to a point where the Government's is


going to make a decision about whether it is going to go with what


people perceive to be the problem is or whether they are going to be


honest with the electorate and say, we understand your anger and your


vote but we are not going to harm the economy in a catastrophic way


because you are slightly obsessed about immigration. You might not


want what you thought you wanted! Nobody is going to end up about what


they wanted, that's the whole point. You're going to end up in a


situation where nobody is happy, nobody is going to get what they


want, but the Government is trying to balance these different


pressures. Which they always have done, but Brexit has brought it into


hard focus, the layman steps back in amazement. You mean if we have fruit


and vegetable pickers we may not have many nurses. These are abstract


concepts, suddenly we are being told effectively we are going to have to


make those choices. You can see the reality of another referendum being


called than an Brexit, can't you? People who voted for Brexit that


didn't want immigration, didn't want the of movement, are not going to


get it. It's like playing with mercury. People are tempting to say,


52% of the population who voted to leave the EU for 17 million


different reasons. We can't turn around and say it was about


immigration, trade, this and that... Are going to be a lot of very


unhappy people at the next general election. There are also people who


will come round to the reality of the fact that if we don't want to


catastrophically harm the economy, we at least need to make a


transitional deal. Let's move on. We'll see what happens. Not


everybody thinks like you. We'll move on to the Financial Times. Oh,


still an Brexit! Who set up this paper review! Of you two did!


Japan's biggest bank plant a hub in Amsterdam to cope with the


disruption of Brexit. This is an example of what we've been talking


about. This huge banks, hugely influential in the eastern part of


the world, that we obviously don't put our eyeballs on it but it


doesn't mean it doesn't affect us. They have said that even ahead of


Brexit they are looking around and moving a significant number of


workers into a European hub, in that case it is Amsterdam. They will be


the first of many who will be looking. Because it's going to be


hard to find property, spaces, personal. It's like anything, once


the cards fall down it is going to be Imada free from. These people


have jumped on the head and said, we're going to do this at our pace.


They are going to get the lay of the land. It will diminish confidence in


the remaining people. The case for staying in the City of London and


any other UK hubs will significantly weaken as a result. Shall we have a


look at the Metro at some other stories. But in the boot in. New


Cold War as Kremlin kicks diplomats out of Russia. Tony, some people


will read that headline and say, hand on a minute, I thought


President Putin and Donald Trump were being friendly and starting a


new relationship, a new era. What's happened? The president isn't a


tyrant yet, so the US Congress has overwhelmingly passed new sanctions


that make it really difficult for the president dry and, you know,


reduce the amount of sanctions that are already against Russia. It is a


big blow for Donald Trump. The vote was over whelming be passed in the


House and Senate and his spokesperson indicated he would sign


the bill. It is a blow for Donald Trump. The law that I just referred


to that the president may or may not sign doesn't just apply to Russia,


it also applies to North Korea and Iran. The president, all this


controversy about his links with Russia, it will be difficult for him


to block this law. Pre-empting his signing, but a mere Putin has


retaliated already by expelling back to the Cold War 755 US diplomats. It


leaves me to ask exactly how many diplomats the US has in Russia,


that's quite a lot! A small fraction?! Again, President Trump


couldn't be seen to be being too friendly with Russia. Absolutely. He


is caught between a rock and a hard, cold place in this case. Nothing he


could do. He's been accused pre-election of cosying up to the


Russians. Now he couldn't do anything about this. All this does


is prove there is a little bit of a chocolate teapot in the White House


when it comes to this committee is not having a very good week anyway.


He hoped this will have gone under the radar, and clearly it hasn't. I


wonder what that does for their plans to tackle cyber crime together


as well stop you love all of those problems! But he has got no


diplomats left! We saw this with him pleading that he was going to ban


transgender people from the military last week. Tweets are not commands.


His staff do not change orders through tweets. If you want to


change policy, you go through the chain of command. He said he had


spoken to US military commanders about it. They don't appear to have


any idea he did speak to them. They did make it clear that tweets are


not part of the chain of command. He wants to have a cyber relationship


with President Putin but he is disgusted with the people he meets


to discuss it with. This is one thing that will undo him in the end,


he doesn't follow the chain of command. That turn our attention to


the past, really. Passchendaele, although many people save up the


past hopefully create a better future as well. -- say that the


past. The Independent always do it differently and really capture it.


It is poppies with messages from members of the public in the UK,


actually. Actually on the poppies, near the First World War battle


ground. Caroline, you said earlier that you feel that these


commemorations of the First World War and Second World War battles


seem to become a bigger deal recently. I think they have. It is a


beautiful image, it completely captures it, lovely, understated and


lacking in people. I mean, mercifully selfie free. That's


something that I think these occasions do merit a red dignity


from onlookers. Certainly the way they are presented from the media.


We had this chat in the newsroom before we came on. As I grew up, I


thought the past was another country, unless you had somebody in


your family who bought, a grandfather who is stories you


listen to. Now it is one of social media and video messaging, we have


become very sophisticated at making these messages relevant and fresh to


us. Certainly when you do get the benefit of Hollywood films being


made, big budget retellings, and they do bring it home. Something


like the film Dunkirk telling the story of the evacuation to a whole


new audience for whom these stories will have a fresh resonance that I


don't think has come along before. It is bittersweet. It is the


Centenary as well. The commemorations are a lot bigger than


usual. Tony and I were discussing as well before we came on air that we


are meant to learn the lessons of war, and here we are 100 years on


still very much at war in various parts of the world. You know, you


just think on the idea that the First World War was the war to end


all wars. You know, the Second World War came along... Actually, having


said that, the amount of conflict in the world is at the lowest I think


it's ever been. Ironically, we live in a much more peaceful world. But


it obviously doesn't feel like that. The Daily Telegraph featuring one of


the many pictures you will see tomorrow morning, the Duke and


Duchess of Cambridge attending those Centenary commemorations. Again,


Caroline, it's these young royals that are so might do attract more


young people to take part or at least take notice of these, ratios.


Certainly. In this generation, with Prince William and Prince Harry, you


do have two members of forces, they followed in the family tradition.


Say what we will about the rules, whether they get too much tension,


certainly these brothers have come forward talking about mental health


recently. Some say they have over egged that pudding, but you can't


doubt there is inserted in turning up to these events and honouring the


dead. This week will be interesting for them. Whatever they do, they be


overshadowed by the looming 20-year legacy of their late mother.


Caroline Antoni, many thanks. We will do it again in about an hour's


time. -- Caroline and Tony. There is more at 11:30pm.


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