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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are Martin Lipton,

Deputy Head of Sport

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at The Sun, and Rosamund Urwin,

columnist for the London

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Evening Standard.

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Lovely to have you both here. We'll

be taking a look through the papers

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in the moment. First off, a quick

resume of what's going on, starting

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with the times.

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The Times claims the

Prime Minister was given

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details of an alleged sexual assault

made by the former defence

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secretary Sir Michael Fallon

hours before he resigned.

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He says the allegations are not true

and that he has never

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physically assaulted anyone.

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The Telegraph says Sir Michael had

declared Andrea Leadsom

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was preventing Cabinet

agreement on Brexit,

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and that she in turn

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"stuck the knife in" in revenge.

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The Mail has a similar line

of enquiry on its front page,

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asking if the Leader of the Commons

had acted to save her job.

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The i chooses to focus

on the Labour Party's investigations

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into allegations made

against its MPs.

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We suspect that page will change

later, but currently focusing on

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Labour MP Clive Lewis. The Daily

Express talks about Harriet Harman

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on its front page. It says the

former deputy party leader repeated

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an anti-Semitic joke on television.

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The Guardian says the cost of Brexit

will mean an extra £930 on household

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food bills as the price of staples

is set to rise in the event

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of the UK leaving the EU

without a trade deal.

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The FT 's top story is the row

brewing at the London Stock Exchange

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over the departure of its chief

executive, saying he is being forced

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out against his wishes.

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Lastly the Daily Mirror features

the accusation of sexual assault

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made by a female trainer

against a top jockey.

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So those are your front pages.

Martin, what was that shake for?

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Every paper has a variant on the

same theme, people who in positions

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of power are behaving badly.

One

story, different protagonist,

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basically.

We start with the times,

and this is a very damaging

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allegation against Sir Michael

Fallon, the allegation that he

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committed an alleged sexual assault.

We know he is denying it

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emphatically and vehemently, but

this revelation came from another

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member of the Conservative Party in

parliament, in Anna Soubry, who has

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told The Times that this is alleged

to have happened, and that this was

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the reason for his false resignation

-- forced resignation the other

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night. And with every passing day,

this steady drip of claim,

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allegation and action in terms of

MPs from most parties it would

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appear, certainly Labour and the

Conservative Party, being forced to

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lose the whip or even at some point

resign from Parliament, is

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continuing. And it is pretty

depressing to see Parliament reduced

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to this.

We have got The Times, and

we have also got the mail and the

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Telegraph, all leading on

allegations involving Conservative

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names. Rosamunde, when you look at

that, they have all denied these

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allegations in one form or another.

What goes through your mind when you

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read this? As Martin said, it is

just allegation after allegation?

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And Michael Fallon has said that he

has behaved inappropriately, so he

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has done a fair -- mea culpa on some

of it. But one of the things that

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strikes me is that we knew that the

informal atmosphere in Parliament,

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we knew there were problems to do

with power, with the fact that

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frankly if you're a junior

researcher in Parliament and

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employed by an MP, how much are you

able to say no to things? We knew

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all these issues, people had been

reporting on these things for years,

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but we have suddenly opened the

floodgates, I feel. Harvey Weinstein

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has changed things, it really has,

and people are saying all these

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things were heard about in the

background, and actually this should

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be on the front pages.

Finally

people do seem empowered to speak

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out for the first time.

And we

forget how hard it is to come

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forward. Lots of people have been

talking about a witchhunt, and

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personally I think that is

completely the wrong term, because

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when you think about witchhunts,

they were hunting innocent people.

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We act as though the worst thing

that can ever happen to somebody who

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has done selling bad is that they

lose their job, but how many other

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people's careers were harmed because

these things happen to them? Maybe

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they did bring forward a complaint

that was damaging to their career.

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Perhaps they didn't, but they moved

jobs and felt forced to go and do

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something else.

You'd feel

uncomfortable, wouldn't you, in that

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environment?

Of course you would,

and we are shining a spotlight on

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Parliament, but I'm sure in the

coming months it will be other

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industries.

What is interesting is

that the Michael Fallon stories are

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there, and then you go onto the

other stories about Michael Fallon

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and then also Andrea Leadsom, and

what you have this fear and loathing

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around Cabinet table, and until two

or three days ago, ministerial,

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Secretary of State colleagues, just

doing each other over big time in a

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pretty public forum here, Andrea

Leadsom saved her job by accusing

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Fallon of sexual harassment, it says

here.

There is a question there.

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This is friends of Michael Fallon

clearly briefing on his behalf,

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saying she was about to be sacked

because she isn't very good, and he

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was on the other side...

It isn't

that she wasn't very good, they have

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this issue that she was one of those

people who they think is going to be

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impossible to get a compromise on

Brexit, because she is a very strong

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Brexiteer, so they think it is

impossible she will sign up to a

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deal. How are they going to cope

with the fact that in that cabinet

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on Brexit you have people like her

and you have obviously people who

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really want Remain ultimately. It's

insane.

There are all the other

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factors here, and if this level of

sheer animosity, whether it is on a

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personal or political level within

the Cabinet, how can you have any

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concept of governmental control and

to termination of issues. It is

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really quite concerning. It is fair

to say reading between the lines

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that there is a Remain faction that

feels that Andrea Leadsom is so

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vehemently pro-Brexit that she

wouldn't compromise at all on the

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final deal, and it is conflating two

different issues.

I was thinking

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back to the expenses scandal, and it

was in no wayGordon Brown's fault,

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but it did add to the feeling that

these were the dying days of a

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regime, and again, this is not to do

with Theresa May although there may

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be things that she knew or the whips

knew, but it does seem this is going

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to be the nail in the coffin.

How

long do you think the public will be

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interested in this story? Already

we're getting people having fatigue

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over the stories, I don't want to

hear about this any more. It's

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politics.

It depends what the

allegations are. If we're talking

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about if all the allegations were

the same, if they were all putting

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hands on knees, which if you are

harassed is a serious issue, but

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again and again, people would get a

bit bored, but if we're talking

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about significant and serious

allegations of criminal acts which

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have been covered up whether it was

by the Labour Party or the

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Conservative Party, any other party,

then it will continue to run. And it

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should do. As the Harvey Weinstein

and now Kevin Spacey allegations, we

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had Dustin Hoffman allegations, when

the allegations are of a

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particularly serious nature, they

will continue to be looked at.

I

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have talked to female MPs who

started to say, do we need an

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inquiry into the historic behaviour

in Parliament in much the same way

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that see with the church or other

institutions, and they are saying,

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if that happens, how far back are we

going to go? I'm sure there is some

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terrible behaviour that has never

come to light.

Goodness, and

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everybody saying the Sunday papers

will be interesting. We will see

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what happens there.

Exactly.

Staying

on the Telegraph, it is this picture

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here, what do you think about this?

Good PR on Mr Corbyn's part?

Was who

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the bloke who didn't think it was

the right thing to do in the

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election campaign to go on the One

Show sofa?

He is now you're lovable

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uncle, that amazing sort of makeover

that he's had. He looks comfortable.

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He was never comfortable in these

situations before. One of the really

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interesting things in the run-up to

the election was that when he was

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asked about, will you still be

tending the allotment if you are

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Prime Minister, and he said, of

course I were, everyone needs a

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life, and I thought, that's a really

good answer, and lots of people

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thought, that could have been a big

story, and actually people were

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like, no, that sounds sensible, and

he has managed to find a way to do

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this stuff in a way that he feels

comfortable with, which has

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surprised me, because I thought he

would never look comfortable with

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it.

And yet when he is asked, he was

on his doorstep earlier, for

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comments on including Kelvin Hopkins

in the Shadow Cabinet, he refused to

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answer that, and yet a week earlier

he was saying, zero tolerance, zero

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tolerance. So it's almost as if he

will only answer.

And they are old

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friends, that is the suggestion.

And

therein lies the issue. It is going

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back to where we started, these

relationships between old men are

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not healthy. And that's it, it's the

old boys club, and it can be just as

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much an old boys club in a trade

union background or Party meetings

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as it is for older Tony and is. It

is suggesting that Rosie Winterton

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queried the appointment when he was

made, when Mr Hopkins was made

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Shadow culture Secretary.

And that

is the point, a lot of women feel

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like when they have raised these

things and said, hang on, then they

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don't get listen to, and maybe

finally we are going to start

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listening.

And what you think about

this argument where they say, we

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didn't know. In any other workplace,

it is common sense, isn't it? And

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you know you've done something

wrong, because a lot of this is

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just, it was just a bit of banter.

Maybe people don't want to know.

It

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is an easier life not knowing. And I

think that is what we are going to

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find out, the lot of people had

heard rumours. But to be fair,

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hearing a rumour about something is

not the same as knowing it.

And some

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of these allegations, we have all

seen versions of the list, some of

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the things on that list work and is

-- were nonsense.

All the consensual

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and none of our business.

A lot of

this is historical and it will be

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interesting to see how far it goes.

The code of conduct will have to

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come into place, but...

It depends

where we think the Linnes. What

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constitutes a resigning offence? And

we sure that beset?

Let's stay with

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the Cabot Telegraph, and UK

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jihadists are all targets, says RAF

chief.

This is a Commodore who says,

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if you pitch up in Iraq and Syria

fighting for Daesh then you are

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valid to be targeted because you

know what you're signing up for. I

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think many people, irrespective of

their political leanings, would

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probably go along with that,

actually.

I think there is a

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question of how on earth do you

derail the lies -- deradicalise

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somebody who has gone out there.

There is an argument that people who

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are very easily influenced at 18,

and frankly the efforts that go into

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radicalising someone are enormous,

and if you start on picking that,

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then actually you might have some

success, but I think I do understand

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this argument, that if people have

chosen to travel to these countries,

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then how do we really think we're

going to get them back.

It is an

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issue which has become a significant

one clearly the government, how do

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you deal? When these people do

return, what do you do? You can't

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just, you have to find due cause to

lock them up, it isn't that easy.

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And how can you seriously turn up in

Syria because you are naive now? We

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have seen the horrors that Daesh

have committed, throwing people off

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buildings, how could you not

understand that?

And also, how are

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you to know from 20,000 feet the

nationality of the people you are

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dropping bombs on down below. You

may find subsequently that there was

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a core of British jihadists, but you

are not going to know that from that

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height, are you?

Let's turn to the

FT. Were you in the queues?

I have a

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very broken phone, and I'm quite

happy with that. I find this utter

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madness, frankly.

I am terrified

that my daughter will now be

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demanding a new...

A $1000 phone,

that is madness, isn't it?

They go

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out of date overnight, don't they?

And I always feel that they make the

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charges so rubbish, you have to keep

buying new ones.

I get through at

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least five charges of year, because

I'm rubbish! I bend them over and

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twist them, and I just...

They are

not Lego!

I have had the same phone

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for three years, I am rather proud

of that!

If you are Apple, this is

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great news, because they haven't

seen these cues in recent years, and

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suddenly the 60 minute expensive

phone has been good for the markets.

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-- this extremely expensive phone.

And their main competition is in

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Asia from the likes of Samsung, and

the Chinese in particular, a very

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large market, are saying, we get

more for our money on the Samsung,

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we don't want to pay all that for

the brand, yet a lot of Apple people

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will pay just for the brand.

Have

they sorted out the fact that doing

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your work e-mails on an Apple phone

is rubbish. I miss my Blackberry.

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You have a proper keyboard on those!

We should go back to proper phones.

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I had that one that you could drop

in a beer glass.

But nearly $1000.

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It is an incredible sum of money for

a phone.

People are willing to pay

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that now.

They needed some good

news, didn't they? Their share price

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climbed as well to an all-time high,

12% rise in fourth-quarter revenues.

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$52 billion!

A net income of $10.7

billion. My goodness, there you go.

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Can I have some, please?

Martin and

Rosamund, thank you very much for

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that. We await all the weekend

newspapers.

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Don't forget you can see the front

pages of the papers online

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on the BBC News website.

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It's all there for you - seven days

a week at bbc.co.uk/papers.

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And if you miss the programme any

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evening you can watch it

later on BBC iPlayer.

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Thank you to Martin Lipton

and Rosamund Urwin.

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Goodbye.

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