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That's all the sport for now.

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Hello and welcome to our look

ahead to what the papers

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will be bringing us.

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With me are the journalist

and broadcaster Shyama Perera and

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The Sunday Times Education Editor,

Sian Griffiths.

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Let's look at the front pages.

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The Observer leads

on Jeremy Corbyn's calls

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for Boris Johnson to quit,

after comments he made

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about a British mother

imprisoned in Iran.

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The Sunday Times says 40 Tory MPs

have agreed to sign a letter

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of no-confidence in Theresa May.

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The Telegraph leads on plans

by the Environment Secretary,

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Michael Gove, for stronger

environmental policy

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following Brexit.

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Meanwhile, the Mail on Sunday says

Mr Gove and Boris Johnson

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are holding Theresa May to ransom

in order to secure a hard-Brexit.

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The Sunday Express says the economy

is in for a £3 billion

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windfall after Brexit.

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Let's kick off was the Mail on

Sunday story, Boris and Michael Doe

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plot to hijack number ten, Sian. --

Michael Gove.

It is spread across

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the pages and the make quite a big

deal of it. It is a leaked letter

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written by Michael Gove and Boris

Johnson. It basically tells Theresa

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May how she should be running her

Cabinet and makes a series of veiled

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threats, according to the Mail on

Sunday, and it spells out the

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divisions within Theresa May's

cabinet between the hard Brexit

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supporters and those taking a softer

approach. They make a series of

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demands an ugly out their hard

Brexit manifesto and the criticise

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Philip Hammond for not being

sufficiently energetic, as they see

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it, but hard Brexit. It comes at a

time when Theresa May's Cabinet is

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in disarray, continuing leadership

speculation, she has lost two

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Cabinet ministers with two more

under investigation and the

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overwhelming feeling is it is a

mess.

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Boris Johnson is one of those a lot

of people are saying should be out

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of the Cabinet.

That feels like a last-ditch effort

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by Boris Johnson, yet again with

Michael Gold alongside, to put his

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mark on the race he seems to have

been losing because every single

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time he opens his mouth he puts his

own foot in it. They remind me of

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the political equivalent of the

Tamworth two. They have broken

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through the fence and running

crazily. Of course it was Michael

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Gove who famously stabs Boris

Johnson in the back, or the front.

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These two ultimately rub each other

the wrong way and do not get on yet

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how all the back together again and

yet how prescient, I think, because

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I think it gives us some sense of

how this effort to undermine Theresa

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May will go. Apart from anything

else, there is nobody ready to jump

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in and take her place and Philip

Hammond, when we speak of him having

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insufficient energy, that is just

personal because he is just so laid

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back. All of this feels quite

personal.

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It is personal but also critical for

what kind of Brexit we have.

It is,

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and we have the EU withdrawal bill

coming through Parliament this week

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and we seem to be completely stuck

at the moment with the hard Brexit

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supporters and those wanting a

softer option and battling it out,

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unable to move forward and the idea

we will not pay will not agree to

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pay the £60 billion bill and move

forward with trade talks. The Sunday

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Times, labour are making massive

capital, Jeremy Corbyn is writing

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about this and saying if Theresa May

cannot govern she should go and make

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way for a Cabinet, a Government that

can take Brexit forwards and can

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somehow free up this stock position

we seem to have been in for a long

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time.

The Sunday Times have Tory turmoil

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as 40 MPs say Theresa May must go.

If that is right and there are 40

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MPs who want her out that is

reaching a critical mass.

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It is because you only need eight

small. -- eight is more to unseat

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her. Coming back to the first story

although there are lots of

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detractors, nobody is actually

offering to take up the role and one

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wonders by creating this moment of

critical mass, what is the party

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doing? It is imploding. Reading it

just as a punter, you think, what

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are the hoping to achieve? Theresa

May is immovable, all this will do

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is cause a panic which she will take

six or seven days to respond to and

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by which time the next crisis within

the party and the Brexit

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negotiations. All I feel is this

sense of anxiety and tension and

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headless chicken moment. The point

of critical mass is when we discover

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the pen is full of headless

chickens.

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You have those two wings of the

Conservative Party, the remaining

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and leave, with different views of

what Brexit should be.

And on top of

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that you have all these other

things. Boris Johnson and Michael

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Gove writing this letter, but Boris

Johnson himself is under immense

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pressure with people calling for him

to quit because of the way he

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handled the case of the British

mother imprisoned in Iran. It is not

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just you have divisions in the

Cabinet, you have a whole lot of

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other things, the sexual harassment

allegations also going on. I think

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it must look from Brussels as though

our Cabinet is in complete disarray.

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Let's move on, still in the Sunday

Times, another of her Cabinet

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ministers in danger, one might say,

about his cabinet future, Damien

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Green, effectively the Deputy Prime

Minister and according to the Sunday

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Times button's most senior police

officer saying he was tall

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pornography was discovered and

Damien Green's parliamentary

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computer back in 2008. Boris Johnson

and now Damien Green under threat

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perhaps.

I cannot work out what is a

meaningful about the Damien Green

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story. There was the accusation of

some inappropriate texting and now

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the suggestion pornography was found

on his office computer but we are

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told it was not illegal pornography

so what exactly is being suggested

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here? Did he use his office time to

serve things he should not have

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surfed? OK, why is that newsworthy?

Or are we saying this implies

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something other Damien Green which I

cannot see what it is implying.

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So you think his job is not in

danger?

I think his job is clearly

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in danger because people are gunning

for them but at this stage I do not

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quite understand what he has done.

Sian, are you any clearer?

That is

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an enquiry into his conduct and this

evidence will go forward to that

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enquiry. I think this is significant

because we broke the steely -- broke

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the story that extreme pawn had been

found on his parliamentary computer

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-- extreme pornography. And now we

see Sir Paul Stephenson has found

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extreme pornography was found on

these computers.

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The one would willingly admit to

having a look at pornography. It is

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something so intensely private and I

do not blame him for saying, it

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could not have been me.

That is the

whole point, who looks at

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pornography in work on a work

computer?

I suspect at least two

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thirds of all men in offices. And a

good number of women. I don't know.

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When we think pornography is the

most accessed subject on the

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internet it is probable most offices

will have pornography accessed from.

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In most offices I have worked and it

is absolutely a disciplinary matter

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if you have looked at pornography on

your work computer.

We mention the

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Boris Johnson and left his job was

under threat. Lots of people have

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been calling for him to go on a very

strong words about him from Jeremy

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Corbyn, not just the usual calls for

him to resign but saying Boris

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Johnson has undermined our country

and put our citizens at risk with

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his incompetence and Colonial

throwback views. Pretty tough words

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from Jeremy Corbyn.

Absolutely. I worked on this story

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this week and I was shocked, Nazanin

Zaghari-Ratcliffe's MP and I

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realised when I spoke to her MP they

have been trying to get Boris

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Johnson or someone in the Foreign

Office to look at this case for 18

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months. There has been a petition

signed by 200 MPs, e-mails, letters,

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visits, they could not even get a

visit in the diary, the meeting, and

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Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's British

husband also could not get a meeting

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in the dining with Boris Johnson.

This is a British citizen imprisoned

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-- could not get the meeting. This

is a British citizen held in

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solitary confinement in Iran and her

daughter is also out there. Surely

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we should be protecting citizens

abroad and the idea you can have 18

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months ago passed and no one will

even look at this case is appalling.

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It may be sometimes the Foreign

Office say a softly softly approach

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behind the scenes is better than a

public campaign.

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But then you can still engage with

the family but as far as I

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understand today that is supposed to

be a phone call between Richard

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Ratcliffe and Boris Johnson, the

first one for 18 months. She has

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said she has even stopped in the

lobby, doorstep him to try and get

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them to at this. She set up a

meeting with the Tory MP who also

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has a constituent imprisoned in Iran

and that was postponed for two weeks

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and when it finally happened that

was when Boris Johnson made that

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terrible mistake in the House of

Commons when he said Nazanin

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Zaghari-Ratcliffe was training

journalists in Iran.

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Do you think he will go or not?

I

think he should publicly apologise

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for his mistake, we try it and make

it clear it is the British

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Government's official position that

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe be

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released. But that still has not

happened. We also do not know

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released. But that still has not

happened. We also do not know how

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many other criticisms are being held

in Iran.

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Do you think he will go on this?

I

do not think you well, he is like

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Teflon.

-- I do not think he will.

On that, Michael Gove has just been

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saying there is no reason she should

be held in prison in Iran.

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Let's look at the Observer.

Armistice Day and commemoration

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services around the country today.

The picture there of younger people

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with the headline, we shall not

forget them. It is important the

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young remember as well.

It is a

telling picture but there is quite a

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lot of news about this this year

because the Queen and Prince Philip

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will be watching the ceremony rather

than taking part.

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Watching from the balcony.

But we will miss her putting her

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wreath on. There was some outrage

yesterday because Harry and William

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were rugby matches when the rest of

the Royal family were marking the

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11th. It has been interesting

because suddenly everything is

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changing. I think the literal

changing today is a very serious

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moment.

Understandable, it is called, lots

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of standing for the Queen.

It says a lot about the changing of

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our establishment.

Let's finish off with the Sunday

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Telegraph. How words and phrases are

disappearing from the English

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language, as spoken in the UK.

It is

a very sweet story. It says grade

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adverbs, it gives examples of quite,

rather unfairly, are in decline. I

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used, actually, all the time. The

study by an expert in linguistics at

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Lancaster University, it shows use

of these words are seen as a middle

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or upper class way of speaking.

Some of these other words, like

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frightfully, awfully, terribly, they

are seen as a bit too posh, perhaps.

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I thought, word we all talk you have

to deliver bad news as a sandwich,

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something good, then say something

bad and then something good. These

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add to allow us to do that. You've

done really well here but I wasn't

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awfully happy with the middle bit.

These are what we use all the time

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to deliver bad news. A super-centre

Pabst -- super sensitised society,

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like we have no, I am amazed me no

longer use these.

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I think the application is because

of the American influence, which is

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perhaps simpler with fewer

adjectives and fewer adverbs.

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We have a lot of very, very bad,

very, very good.

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Is that the Wii English language is

going in the UK?

I wonder if it is

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due to the effects of texting

because if you are texting you would

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not text frightfully, that is too

long. And such once up to 14 140

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characters. I would like to see a

gendered study on this because I

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suspect women used frightfully and

awfully more so than men...

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But they are diplomatic words. They

are about creating a moment where

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everybody can be consensual, though

I suspect Theresa May has been using

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too many of these words! I suspect

all of these stories link up and the

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problem with the bodice is he does

not use enough of these which is why

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he messed up over Nazanin

Zaghari-Ratcliffe -- the problem

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with Boris Johnson.

I would like to see we are

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frightfully, terribly, grateful to

both of you for coming in. Thank you

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to Shyama and Sia. We take a look at

tomorrow's front pages of the

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evening on BBC News at 10:40pm every

evening. Goodbye for now.

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