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That's all the sport for now.
Hello and welcome to our look
ahead to what the papers
will be bringing us.
With me are the journalist
and broadcaster Shyama Perera and
The Sunday Times Education Editor,
Let's look at the front pages.
The Observer leads
on Jeremy Corbyn's calls
for Boris Johnson to quit,
after comments he made
about a British mother
imprisoned in Iran.
The Sunday Times says 40 Tory MPs
have agreed to sign a letter
of no-confidence in Theresa May.
The Telegraph leads on plans
by the Environment Secretary,
Michael Gove, for stronger
Meanwhile, the Mail on Sunday says
Mr Gove and Boris Johnson
are holding Theresa May to ransom
in order to secure a hard-Brexit.
The Sunday Express says the economy
is in for a £3 billion
windfall after Brexit.
Let's kick off was the Mail on
Sunday story, Boris and Michael Doe
plot to hijack number ten, Sian. --
It is spread across
the pages and the make quite a big
deal of it. It is a leaked letter
written by Michael Gove and Boris
Johnson. It basically tells Theresa
May how she should be running her
Cabinet and makes a series of veiled
threats, according to the Mail on
Sunday, and it spells out the
divisions within Theresa May's
cabinet between the hard Brexit
supporters and those taking a softer
approach. They make a series of
demands an ugly out their hard
Brexit manifesto and the criticise
Philip Hammond for not being
sufficiently energetic, as they see
it, but hard Brexit. It comes at a
time when Theresa May's Cabinet is
in disarray, continuing leadership
speculation, she has lost two
Cabinet ministers with two more
under investigation and the
overwhelming feeling is it is a
Boris Johnson is one of those a lot
of people are saying should be out
of the Cabinet.
That feels like a last-ditch effort
by Boris Johnson, yet again with
Michael Gold alongside, to put his
mark on the race he seems to have
been losing because every single
time he opens his mouth he puts his
own foot in it. They remind me of
the political equivalent of the
Tamworth two. They have broken
through the fence and running
crazily. Of course it was Michael
Gove who famously stabs Boris
Johnson in the back, or the front.
These two ultimately rub each other
the wrong way and do not get on yet
how all the back together again and
yet how prescient, I think, because
I think it gives us some sense of
how this effort to undermine Theresa
May will go. Apart from anything
else, there is nobody ready to jump
in and take her place and Philip
Hammond, when we speak of him having
insufficient energy, that is just
personal because he is just so laid
back. All of this feels quite
It is personal but also critical for
what kind of Brexit we have.
and we have the EU withdrawal bill
coming through Parliament this week
and we seem to be completely stuck
at the moment with the hard Brexit
supporters and those wanting a
softer option and battling it out,
unable to move forward and the idea
we will not pay will not agree to
pay the £60 billion bill and move
forward with trade talks. The Sunday
Times, labour are making massive
capital, Jeremy Corbyn is writing
about this and saying if Theresa May
cannot govern she should go and make
way for a Cabinet, a Government that
can take Brexit forwards and can
somehow free up this stock position
we seem to have been in for a long
The Sunday Times have Tory turmoil
as 40 MPs say Theresa May must go.
If that is right and there are 40
MPs who want her out that is
reaching a critical mass.
It is because you only need eight
small. -- eight is more to unseat
her. Coming back to the first story
although there are lots of
detractors, nobody is actually
offering to take up the role and one
wonders by creating this moment of
critical mass, what is the party
doing? It is imploding. Reading it
just as a punter, you think, what
are the hoping to achieve? Theresa
May is immovable, all this will do
is cause a panic which she will take
six or seven days to respond to and
by which time the next crisis within
the party and the Brexit
negotiations. All I feel is this
sense of anxiety and tension and
headless chicken moment. The point
of critical mass is when we discover
the pen is full of headless
You have those two wings of the
Conservative Party, the remaining
and leave, with different views of
what Brexit should be.
And on top of
that you have all these other
things. Boris Johnson and Michael
Gove writing this letter, but Boris
Johnson himself is under immense
pressure with people calling for him
to quit because of the way he
handled the case of the British
mother imprisoned in Iran. It is not
just you have divisions in the
Cabinet, you have a whole lot of
other things, the sexual harassment
allegations also going on. I think
it must look from Brussels as though
our Cabinet is in complete disarray.
Let's move on, still in the Sunday
Times, another of her Cabinet
ministers in danger, one might say,
about his cabinet future, Damien
Green, effectively the Deputy Prime
Minister and according to the Sunday
Times button's most senior police
officer saying he was tall
pornography was discovered and
Damien Green's parliamentary
computer back in 2008. Boris Johnson
and now Damien Green under threat
I cannot work out what is a
meaningful about the Damien Green
story. There was the accusation of
some inappropriate texting and now
the suggestion pornography was found
on his office computer but we are
told it was not illegal pornography
so what exactly is being suggested
here? Did he use his office time to
serve things he should not have
surfed? OK, why is that newsworthy?
Or are we saying this implies
something other Damien Green which I
cannot see what it is implying.
So you think his job is not in
I think his job is clearly
in danger because people are gunning
for them but at this stage I do not
quite understand what he has done.
Sian, are you any clearer?
an enquiry into his conduct and this
evidence will go forward to that
enquiry. I think this is significant
because we broke the steely -- broke
the story that extreme pawn had been
found on his parliamentary computer
-- extreme pornography. And now we
see Sir Paul Stephenson has found
extreme pornography was found on
The one would willingly admit to
having a look at pornography. It is
something so intensely private and I
do not blame him for saying, it
could not have been me.
That is the
whole point, who looks at
pornography in work on a work
I suspect at least two
thirds of all men in offices. And a
good number of women. I don't know.
When we think pornography is the
most accessed subject on the
internet it is probable most offices
will have pornography accessed from.
In most offices I have worked and it
is absolutely a disciplinary matter
if you have looked at pornography on
your work computer.
We mention the
Boris Johnson and left his job was
under threat. Lots of people have
been calling for him to go on a very
strong words about him from Jeremy
Corbyn, not just the usual calls for
him to resign but saying Boris
Johnson has undermined our country
and put our citizens at risk with
his incompetence and Colonial
throwback views. Pretty tough words
from Jeremy Corbyn.
Absolutely. I worked on this story
this week and I was shocked, Nazanin
Zaghari-Ratcliffe's MP and I
realised when I spoke to her MP they
have been trying to get Boris
Johnson or someone in the Foreign
Office to look at this case for 18
months. There has been a petition
signed by 200 MPs, e-mails, letters,
visits, they could not even get a
visit in the diary, the meeting, and
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's British
husband also could not get a meeting
in the dining with Boris Johnson.
This is a British citizen imprisoned
-- could not get the meeting. This
is a British citizen held in
solitary confinement in Iran and her
daughter is also out there. Surely
we should be protecting citizens
abroad and the idea you can have 18
months ago passed and no one will
even look at this case is appalling.
It may be sometimes the Foreign
Office say a softly softly approach
behind the scenes is better than a
But then you can still engage with
the family but as far as I
understand today that is supposed to
be a phone call between Richard
Ratcliffe and Boris Johnson, the
first one for 18 months. She has
said she has even stopped in the
lobby, doorstep him to try and get
them to at this. She set up a
meeting with the Tory MP who also
has a constituent imprisoned in Iran
and that was postponed for two weeks
and when it finally happened that
was when Boris Johnson made that
terrible mistake in the House of
Commons when he said Nazanin
Zaghari-Ratcliffe was training
journalists in Iran.
Do you think he will go or not?
think he should publicly apologise
for his mistake, we try it and make
it clear it is the British
Government's official position that
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe be
released. But that still has not
happened. We also do not know
released. But that still has not
happened. We also do not know how
many other criticisms are being held
Do you think he will go on this?
do not think you well, he is like
-- I do not think he will.
On that, Michael Gove has just been
saying there is no reason she should
be held in prison in Iran.
Let's look at the Observer.
Armistice Day and commemoration
services around the country today.
The picture there of younger people
with the headline, we shall not
forget them. It is important the
young remember as well.
It is a
telling picture but there is quite a
lot of news about this this year
because the Queen and Prince Philip
will be watching the ceremony rather
than taking part.
Watching from the balcony.
But we will miss her putting her
wreath on. There was some outrage
yesterday because Harry and William
were rugby matches when the rest of
the Royal family were marking the
11th. It has been interesting
because suddenly everything is
changing. I think the literal
changing today is a very serious
Understandable, it is called, lots
of standing for the Queen.
It says a lot about the changing of
Let's finish off with the Sunday
Telegraph. How words and phrases are
disappearing from the English
language, as spoken in the UK.
a very sweet story. It says grade
adverbs, it gives examples of quite,
rather unfairly, are in decline. I
used, actually, all the time. The
study by an expert in linguistics at
Lancaster University, it shows use
of these words are seen as a middle
or upper class way of speaking.
Some of these other words, like
frightfully, awfully, terribly, they
are seen as a bit too posh, perhaps.
I thought, word we all talk you have
to deliver bad news as a sandwich,
something good, then say something
bad and then something good. These
add to allow us to do that. You've
done really well here but I wasn't
awfully happy with the middle bit.
These are what we use all the time
to deliver bad news. A super-centre
Pabst -- super sensitised society,
like we have no, I am amazed me no
longer use these.
I think the application is because
of the American influence, which is
perhaps simpler with fewer
adjectives and fewer adverbs.
We have a lot of very, very bad,
very, very good.
Is that the Wii English language is
going in the UK?
I wonder if it is
due to the effects of texting
because if you are texting you would
not text frightfully, that is too
long. And such once up to 14 140
characters. I would like to see a
gendered study on this because I
suspect women used frightfully and
awfully more so than men...
But they are diplomatic words. They
are about creating a moment where
everybody can be consensual, though
I suspect Theresa May has been using
too many of these words! I suspect
all of these stories link up and the
problem with the bodice is he does
not use enough of these which is why
he messed up over Nazanin
Zaghari-Ratcliffe -- the problem
with Boris Johnson.
I would like to see we are
frightfully, terribly, grateful to
both of you for coming in. Thank you
to Shyama and Sia. We take a look at
tomorrow's front pages of the
evening on BBC News at 10:40pm every
evening. Goodbye for now.