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Hello, welcome to a look ahead to

what the papers will be bringing

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tomorrow. Withers are Tony Grue and

Caroline frost. We will begin with

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the Metro. It leaves with news that

the Church of England is advising

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5000 schools that children should be

able to choose which six they are

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without judgment or derision. --

sex. The Sun says that two-year-olds

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will get lessons from drag queens.

The Guardian says Brexiteers Michael

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Gove and Boris Johnson have set the

Prime Minister what it describes as

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an Orwellian set of demands ahead of

the Withdrawal Bill vote.

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The Telegraph leads

with a plea from the husband

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of the British-Iranian woman

imprisoned in Iran.

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Richard Ratcliffe says sacking

Boris Johnson for his comments

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on his wife's visit to Iran may make

the situation worse.

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It also features the Queen

at today's remembrance

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service at the Cenotaph.

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And finally The FT leads with news

British spy chiefs are worried

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anti-virus software given away

by Barclays to 2 million

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of their customers could be used

as an intelligence-gathering tool

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by the Russian government.

as an intelligence-gathering tool

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It also covers

Donald Trump's meeting

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with the Filippino counterpart

in Manila yesterday.

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Let's begin with Iran and Nazanin

Zaghari-Ratcliffe being held on

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charges of spying. Her family say

she was just there on holiday. Here

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it is in the Telegraph. Don't axe

Boris over my wife's Iran jail

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shambles. A statement Richard

Ratcliffe has made comment part

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about his wife's medical condition?

It appears she has undergone medical

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tests and there are concerns that

she may have cancer. I think the

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tests are preliminary. I agree, I

don't think Boris Johnson should be

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sacked. I think he should have

resigned. He sat before a committee

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of Parliament and repeated the lies

of the Iranian regime, that she was

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training journalists, not just

visiting family. He refused to

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apologise. Michael Gove seems to be

casting aspersions as well. I'm not

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sure if that is loose language, but

it looks like the Environment

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Secretary is more concerned about

defending the Foreign Secretary than

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protecting a British national. I

think Foreign Secretary is one of

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the key posts, where they should be

careful with their language. Boris

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Johnson has shown he does not do

this.

She was brought in front of a

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conservative judge and she could be

imprisoned for an extra five years.

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Her husband is saying, Boris Johnson

might be able to help here.

I think

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is probably feeling extremely shaken

by the events of the last few days.

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Perhaps thinking stop messing. It

does seem like every single time a

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politician speaks out on this it

doesn't seem to be helping their

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case. Now he is clearly very

concerned about his wife's health.

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Hopefully, I imagine he is thinking

behind the scenes the dramatic

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channels might affect more of an

improvement in his wife's

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circumstances than anything that a

politician is saying up front and

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centre. Michael Gove didn't do

anything, perhaps the path of good

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intentions, but it led to him saying

I am not sure what she was doing

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there, which has been very clear in

the last few days. Her family have

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said exactly what you was doing when

she was on holiday. So now we have

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the added convocation. This is a

story, as Tony said, it has been

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going on for weeks now behind the

scenes. This story seemed to go

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away. Boris Johnson's blooper was

overshadowed by Priti Patel and it

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seems to be coming back into the

main headlines again.

They can put

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it right with some emphatic

language, couldn't they? The I am

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not sure they can. By the way, this

is Michael Gove. He is going on

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television and saying that criticism

of the Foreign Secretary is helping

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the Iranians. That is false

equivalence. I see two people more

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interested in their jobs than the

national interest and the welfare of

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British citizens and it makes me

very sad.

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The, the church saying let kids

choose their gender. Being given to

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nearly 5000 schools, this guidance?

It seems to be a very progressive

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move by the Church of England, who

perhaps want to be seen to be on the

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front foot of history. Often we see

that they have defied all sorts of

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battles about women priests, what

the view is on same-sex marriages.

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Clearly, this is a Zeitgeist issue

that they have decided they will own

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and they are saying that children

should be allowed to express their

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gender in a climate that black

sphere, where they can experiment

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creatively and go through all of the

changes that young children who wish

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to identify and another gender are

making trips to clinics, and they

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have jumped on this and seen it as a

topic that they can be seen to be

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helped.

It is massively

controversial, the subject. People

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have strong views. This is really to

say that whatever children choose,

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how they choose to describe

themselves, they should be bullied

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for it?

It is written in church

language, the child may choose the

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tutu, the tiara, the fireman's

helmet. The Church of England, apart

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from being religious, it is also an

education provider. The churches

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issuing guidelines because they're

worried they will get sued the

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parents of transgender children. So,

it is not a theological issue, it is

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legal. It is the church, as a

significant education provider,

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issuing guidelines to schools. Many

of them educate children that are

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not from the Church of England.

Saying, look, the transgender thing,

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we need to make sure we are not

pressing children into gender

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expression. Then evangelical

Christians, there is a lady from the

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Christian Law Centre, they are often

involved in fighting for what they

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see as the rights of Christians.

They say any dissent or a slip of

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the tongue will be labelled hateful.

I am not sure why she has taken such

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an extreme position on what seems to

be just saying that children should

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be able to express themselves how

they want to. There is no mention of

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parents.

Not at all.

It is just

about primary schools, nursery

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schools and teachers, the ways in

which schools should approach. There

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appear to be more young people

expressing feelings that may be in

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the wrong gender. The fact it is

such a big issue means it will make

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the front page of every paper, even

though they are just issuing

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guidance that most people would

think is reasonable.

It comes

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against the background of two days

ago in the Daily Mail, jumping on a

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story where a schoolteacher

addressed a pupil by the wrong

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gender and allegedly lost his job as

a result. Clearly it is a hot brick

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topic.

The Guardian, a couple Brexit

stories. Can't go very far into the

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paper review without one, can we?

Brexit is to send the PM Orwellian

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set of demands. This is a memo that

is Mail on Sunday was reporting

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today. How is this anything more

than a retread of that?

It's not,

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really. The memo was sent some weeks

ago. It also shows the impossible

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situation Prime Minister is in. As

you are aware, the Withdrawal Bill

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comes back to the House of Commons

on Tuesday. The return has been

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delayed, as Mrs May try to get her

rebels around the table and do a

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deal. The reason that the part of

the Bill's process is critical, it

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is where they can start putting

amendments forward, it is the stage

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where they can start changing

things. It says the Prime Minister

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is already struggling with the EU

Withdrawal Bill, with Labour

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expected to join Tory rebels and

inflict a series of defeats. Theresa

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May does not have a majority. She

has a confidence and supply

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arrangement with the DUP, but it

only takes a small number of her own

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MPs to rebel for her to lose votes

and House of Commons. I think we are

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coming up to the stage now where

Tory MPs are going to have to ask

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themselves if they are going to be

pragmatic and act in the national

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interests, or go for the ideology of

the hard Brexit. I have to say,

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there is no consensus in the

Conservative Party for either

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approach. I think it will get really

messy. That is before it arrives in

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House of Lords, where it will get

even messier. The Lords will say

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they are acting in the national

interest.

Another Brexit story, and

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the Telegraph, which I have put to

the back of the pile. Aiming at the

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pets of Britain. They know how to

get us. Michel Barnier hints that

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there will be a pet travel ban

because the Brexit talks have gone

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to the dogs?

It is where everybody

stops. It is like the TV adverts

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where the houses for sale, the car

is for sale, have you really thought

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about this? This is it. Michel

Barnier is threatening that should

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there be no deal, one of the very

first effect will be that pet

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passports may be a thing of the past

and that we will not be able to take

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our prized pooches across the

Channel. That will obviously stop

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anybody who was thinking of

Brexiting in their tracks.

There is

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an episode of Yes, Prime Minister,

the Prime Minister getting a gift

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from the Queen of France, and the

issue of quarantine. I imagine them

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sitting in Brussels, what will

really wind up the English? Dogs.

It

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wasn't that long ago that we

couldn't go to and fro across the

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Channel.

It was only 2015 where it

was brought in. It is part of upping

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the ante. We are going to see more

of that. The tension is ratcheting

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up and we are getting to the stage

of Michel Barnier issuing demands

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and saying that we have to cough up

more money or there will not be

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progress on trade talks. The other

end, we have the hard Brexit years

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saying we don't need a trade. Jacob

Rees-Mogg...

It wouldn't be complete

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without a quote from him.

He is

basically all for keeping rabid

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Eurocrat out of the UK. He said a

fear of rabies was more of a concern

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than UK dogs going to Europe.

It

was, but we know that these things

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work both ways. Let's go to the

Financial Times. The picture story.

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Two chaps enjoying a glass of what

looks like it is probably champagne,

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judging by the glasses.

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They have a lot in common, some

might argue, with their iconoclastic

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styles.

This usually big fans of

each other. The whole goodwill tour

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seems to be a stretch across an ice

rink, can I just get to the other

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side without cutting anybody's

fingers off or falling over? It

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seems to be one of his better days.

We have seen some tweets about North

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Korea, we have seen him pretty much

dodging what has been going on in

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the States. He does seem to be not

upsetting the fish, as he did when

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he visited the previous country. He

seems to be finding a like-minded

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soul in Duterte. Both of them swept

to power in elections last year on

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the strength of iconoclastic

policies.

A very controversial pair.

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The little similarity is that they

said they would shake things up. In

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Duterte's case, it led to lots of

extrajudicial murders. The

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international community condemned

him for that, Donald Trump goes and

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rinse with him, he doesn't drink, so

I don't know what is in that class.

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Nobody else would be photographed

with this man, no otherworldly that.

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But it is part of a trip in which

the President of the United States

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says he believes the President of

Russia, a former KGB agent, more

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than the entirety of his

intelligence and security apparatus.

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We sometimes think he is a bit of a

buffoon, this shows you the really

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worrying side of his policies. The

coarsening of America's reputation.

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Shall we finish with The Metro? Rita

Ora, in a bathrobe with a towel on

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her head? I'm sorry, is this what we

are meant to be wearing?

You have

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missed the narrative. This is post

fashion fashion. This is a

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deconstruction of the preparations

involve one A-lister diva to get on

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the red carpet.

Multiple costume

changes? I have rarely seen anybody

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looking quite so good in a bathrobe.

You should see me in the morning! I

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am concerned what she was doing at

the European Medicines Agency.

We

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will get some clarification. We all

need a narrative when we get

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trashed.

It is not enough, you have

seen some of the things that come to

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the fore at the gala, this is just

an extension of that. It is high

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fashion.

Very low maintenance.

Very

white whites. I don't know which

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washing powder she uses, but highly

recommended. I don't pretend to

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understand. We will stop. That is it

for the papers tonight. On the BBC

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News website, you can read a

detailed review of the paper seven

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days a week. We are there as well,

each night's edition is posted

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shortly after we finish and it is on

iPlayer. Thank you to Tony and

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Caroline. Look at that lovely shot.

We are back at 11.30. Now Meet The

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