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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are the journalist

and broadcaster Aasmah Mir,

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and the political commentator and

former Tory adviser Jo-Anne Nadler.

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Welcome to you both. Let's have a

look at tomorrow's front pages. We

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start with the Financial Times,

leading with the situation in

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Zimbabwe, and also with a picture of

Richard Ratcliffe who met the

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Foreign Secretary today his wife is

-- the man whose wife is imprisoned

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in Iran. And this picture on the

Metro of a military vehicle on the

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streets of Harare. The i is another

paper reading on Zimbabwe, a picture

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of Robert Mugabe with his wife

Grace. The Daily Express claims

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£30,000 could be saved -- 30,000

lives in NHS could be saved between

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now and 2030. The Daily Telegraph

leads on the so-called pro-Brexit

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mutineers. And as well as the

situation in Zimbabwe, the Times has

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the story about the record high

number of EU citizens now working in

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Britain. The guardian again focuses

on Zimbabwe but also has a group of

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MPs calling for an investigation

into Russia's role in Brexit. The

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daily Mirror running a story on

schools begging parents to pay for

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pens and glue. Aasmah, there is only

one story on the front pages.

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Everybody gripped by what is going

on in Zimbabwe. It sounds like a

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coup, and it looks very much like a

coup, but we are not allowed to say

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it is?

No, if you look at the front

pages we have selected, the tank on

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the front page of the Metro, and

very strikingly on the front page of

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the Guardian, a Major General,

Sibusiso Moyo, in a uniform, on

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television, but it has essentially

become the C that people are not

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allowed to say because with a coup

come very many ramifications,

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clearly, the chaos that that could

mean, what it could mean for the end

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of Robert Maghaberry, and also what

it might mean in terms of membership

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of the African union, because for

example...

Is this the point,

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because they call it a coup African

Union away in?

Has to weigh in and

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say stuff, which we know they have

been loathe to say. They have been

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great supporters of Robert McCartney

over the years, and also in terms of

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Egypt, when they had their coup they

were pretty much put it out, so that

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will have a lot to do with the fact

of why they haven't said that as a

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coup.

Large focus, Jo-Anne on Grace,

Grace Mugabe, who a lot of the

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papers are referring to as Gucci

Grace.

Indeed, and we are hearing a

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lot about the personality of the

young wife of Robert Mugabe and she

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seems to have been instrumental in

what has happened there. The concern

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of other members of the top of the

government that she might miniver

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herself into a situation of taking

over from her husband at his death,

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it seems to have been what has

precipitated the events of the last

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couple of days, and obviously there

is some coloured pieces, and some of

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the papers, about her and her high

spending proclivities, and equally

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of Mugabe's sons and rather vulgar

pictures they have been taking of

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themselves in nightclubs and the

sort of thing.

You were saying to me

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outside when you read the papers,

look at the front pages, you get the

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sense what they are really trying to

do here, the army, and Mnangagwa,

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the vice president, is heal the rift

within their own party. It has not

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been brought about by conditions in

the country?

This is the irony.

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People in Zimbabwe have been

suffering for many years now, and as

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we see on the front page of the

Financial Times, charts showing the

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absolutely horrendous condition of

the economy there, the crisis in

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agriculture, the runaway inflation

etc, we have been hearing about that

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for years, and yet the whole

situation does not seem to have been

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brought about by a revolt of

ordinary people, because they have

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not been in a position to do that,

but it is the fallout of

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machinations right at the top.

Yes.

The Daily Telegraph had an

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interesting piece. She has gone back

to Zimbabwe on her Zimbabwean

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passport, and there is a scholar in

here. We don't often speak about

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life in Harare and how bad it has

got, but what strikes you, Aasmah,

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about what it is like in Harare at

the moment?

I think it is very much

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a case of there is still a little

bit of support for Robert Mugabe,

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the die-hard loyalist people who

believe that he very much fights for

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African people, has done over the

last 40 years, then there are also

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people who don't want to dare to

dream, who say they can't believe

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this day has finally come, and

because again no one is calling it a

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coup, they still don't want to

believe, and they would believe it

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until they actually see it, until

they see a new leader in the

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presidential mansion. I think it is

very much that sense that comes

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through of just being on the edge of

something historic, but not quite

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there yet.

It is the money as well,

though, the fact there is none, none

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on the banks?

Exactly, and Mnangagwa

has been making noises, outward

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noises, about bringing in foreign

capital, and trying to rebuild the

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economy in a way perhaps that Mugabe

himself and his direct followers

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would not have had any truck with,

because obviously he is a Marxist.

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Really, I mean, this story, we have

been at this point, looking at the

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fall of dictators across so many

countries over the last 20-30 years,

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and there is always this intense

feeling of enthusiasm and excitement

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at the moment that appears to be

happening, then so often

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unfortunately something else rushes

in to fill the vacuum and we can...

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The Zimbabwean Spring. We will see.

Just before we moved off Micah

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Telegraph, a story you, Jo-Anne,

would have been interested in the

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day. -- move off the Telegraph. A

story of the rebels, the mutineers,

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as we tell them, a lot of criticism

in that front page. Theresa May you

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think came out in the right sort of

way today?

I think the Conservative

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Party has handled the story on the

front page of the day's Telegraph

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very effectively actually. They have

closed on the story by really

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saying, we encourage people to make

sensible amendments to bills, and

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this is all part of that process,

and indeed the 15 so-called

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mutineers pretty much took that line

themselves and ministers involved

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with the discussions are around the

bill also took that line, so this

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idea, rightly or wrongly, whether

the Telegraph was trying to foment

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some further aggression, well, not

aggression but falling out within

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sectors of the Conservative Party,

it doesn't seem to have worked.

But

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on that point we have heard on

social media, some of these 15

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people, one or perhaps more, have

had death threats, which I have to

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say is very sad and does not

surprise me at all, Drew doesn't.

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Which is why the newspapers need to

be more careful, Twitter and social

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media -- it really doesn't. Let's

talk about the Financial Times, and

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about Scotland because Scotland has

brought in this regulation today

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about alcohol prices. Tell us about

it.

This legislation was actual

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brought up many years ago, but it

has been caught up in many legal

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challenges and it is the UK Supreme

Court to have finally given it the

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go-ahead today because the Scotch

Whisky Association had said, Norma,

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we don't want minimum alcohol

pricing, clearly, because it would

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affect their margins. We are talking

about... The clue is in the name,

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and minimum price, you can't go

below that so obviously prices would

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then go up what the Government

hopes, that clearly it would become

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too expensive for some people and

they would stop drinking and the

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particular problem would be reduced.

There have been other arguments that

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for example taxing it might be more

effective, but the UK Supreme Court

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has said, Norma, we think the most

effective way of sorting this

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problem is going to be a minimum

price -- has said, no. It could be

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at this point round about 50p per

unit. A fantastic day for the SNP.

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Yet another piece of legislation,

you know, that they would say that

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they are leading the way on,

something that doesn't exist

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anywhere else in the UK.

Something

the UK would follow?

Anywhere else

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in the world, I believe. Canada and

Russia apparently have some

form of

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minimum pricing on alcohol, which I

didn't know until I read that.

Let's

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move onto Boris and Nazanin

Zaghari-Ratcliffe. He has been

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meeting her husband Richard

Ratcliffe today. Interesting, about

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the deal that might be on the table

to bring her home?

That's right. We

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haven't heard very much about this

but Mr Ratcliffe is saying in the

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Expressed that he feels his wife is

being used as a bargaining chip by

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Iran to force Britain to pay I think

it is £400 million, which was agreed

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in an arms deal before the Iranians

revolution in 1979. Obviously with

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the revolution that deal went on

hold, as it were, and he is arguing

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that his wife...

Frozen, sitting in

a bank, while the sanctions were in

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place?

Indeed, in his argument is

that his wife has very unfortunately

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been caught up and is now is being

used as a pawn to try to force the

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UK's hand to release this money to

Iran Aasmah.

It is interesting, we

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don't pay terrorist groups but we

are prepared to pay governments that

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hold people hostage?

Nobody is

saying we are prepared to do it but

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that now seems to be an element in

the diplomatic...

But the Americans

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have done it. They don't pay

terrorist groups but they did pay

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money that was frozen in the bank

for Americans held in Iran? What's

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the difference?

Discuss! You could

say there is no difference, but a

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lot of people who are very

sympathetic for Nazanin

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Zaghari-Ratcliffe, they would that

is what it takes, after the awful

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mess we got into over a misguided

remarks, then so be it.

I think the

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British Government does everyday

money has to go back, that it is

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their money.

But it would be very

unfortunate if it were seen to have

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been triggered by this particular

incident.

That is the point. The

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court ruled the money was theirs,

but it is about how it is given

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back...

It is interesting because it

does begin to shed light on exactly

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how complex this is as a diplomatic

negotiation, regardless of whether

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ministers have said clumsy things or

whatever, there are many more layers

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of this under the surface that we

have yet to find out about.

Yes.

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Let's look at the story on the

times. Record number of EU workers

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in Britain, despite Brexit. I

thought they were all supposed to be

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going home because they didn't want

to be in Brexit Britain.

Absolutely.

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I think there was either about to be

a documentary about crops lie and

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wasted in the fields because no one

wants to do the work that the EU

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workers previously dead, that they

have gone or were about to go, and

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allegedly no British workers want to

do that -- workers previously did.

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But these figures would suggest that

is not the case. It is all about the

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particular timescale we are speaking

about here, isn't it? 2.37 million

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migrants from the U the EU states

employed between July and December.

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Compared with the same period last

year -- from that year. What will

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the next set of figures say? This is

perhaps not something that will

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happen straightaway and the

repercussions will happen perhaps in

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the next set of figures, but at this

point, no, they don't seem to have

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left yet.

You have a nine-year-old.

Do you send them to school with glue

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and p?

I thought you were going to

say, do you send them to school

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with...

LAUGHTER

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-- glue and pens. The front page of

the Mirror. Schools making parents

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pay for pens and go. The

I suspect

this is a chance for the daily

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Mirror to have go at Theresa May.

If

they are short of money, that is one

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thing, but who makes parents pay for

pens and glue? I know I do...

I

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don't think that is unusual. If the

Mirror really wanted to embarrass

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the Prime Minister then I'm sure

there would be more fundamental

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elements of the school requirements

that perhaps periods are being

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prepared to pay for now.

I'm asking.

Are their parents at some schools,

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poorer parents, who get help with

this, and should be? This is a

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school in Berkshire.

£90 a year for

each child to buy basic items like

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books, glue and pens. Again I am not

dogma my daughter is not quite at

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that age I'm deferring to both of

you who have school aged children.

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Would you be expected to buy books

and glue? Pens and pencils, yes, but

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books and glue?

Let's not get hung

up on glue, per se, but I think it

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can become more contentious.

Absolutely.

If you're able to it is

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great to buy your children books,

but if it is an expectation on

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parents who has not previously been

before, that would be where the

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story might be.

Just very quickly,

the Telegraph has a story that

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Google wants the US Government to

ban foreign governments from posting

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election adverts. We have heard lots

more from Google and Facebook

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recently that there were more, you

know, for an ad is being paid for,

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and now they want to get to grips

with it.

Yes, well, it seems it is

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about time they did. The question

is, it seems to me, not

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understanding a great deal

necessarily about the technology of

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it, how can you ensure that that

doesn't... I mean the Internet is

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global, and if you badly for foreign

add any particular jurisdiction, how

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could you ensure it was not seen

elsewhere? On the same platform? I

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would need to hear a bit more about

how that was going to work.

Able to

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police themselves. We are out of

time. Thank you both for your

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company. That is almost it for the

Papers tonight. There are papers

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that have since come in. The Daily

Mail splash with a warning from

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Probert -- Brexit Tories, don't

betray your voters. And the Son, BBC

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staff sleeping at their desk.

Really? -- the Sun. Anyway, we are

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very much a week! Thanks very much

for watching.

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