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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are Laura Perrins,

co-Editor of the website,

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The Conservative Woman,

and journalist and

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broadcaster Rachel Shabi.

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The Telegraph leads with a line-up

of the potential Conservative MPs

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threatening to derail

the EU Withdrawal Bill.

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The Express

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claims Labour is secretly

plotting to stop Brexit.

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The Financial Times says that Jeff

Sessions faced more questions about

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contacts with Russia during the

presidential campaign.

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The Metro reports

General Sir Richard Barrons' warning

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that the Army is

dangerously underfunded.

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The Guardian leads

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with claims that Russia has been

meddling in British politics

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via Twitter.

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The i is concerned about

the rise in development

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on areas of outstanding

natural beauty.

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The Daily Mail reports that half of

pensioners take at least five drugs

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a day. Let's begin and I think just

to get away from Brexit for a couple

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of minutes, let's start with the

Metro and the front page, cuts, the

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Army is 20 years out of date.

Quite

a big story, if not for Brexit this

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would be believe an perhaps some of

the main newspapers. The dangerous

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state of the British Army and how

underfunded it is, some say it is at

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least 20 years out of date and that

it needs an injection of at least 2

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billion a year, which is obviously a

very significant sum. Further down

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it says that it is predicted that

the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un

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could acquire the capability to nuke

London within 18 months, which is

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never something you want to read

about this late at night. Quite a

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significant story and whether

they'll be able to find that 2

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billion a year in the current

climate, we'll have to see.

Of

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course there is a budget next week,

is this why the tightening of the

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story?

I'm sure it is and I'm sure

there will be other stories from

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other departments asking for money

from the Treasury. But the defence

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of the realm is very important. Up

until recently you'd expect it to be

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properly funded.

Worth pointing out

that this prediction is being made

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by a former forces chief. Always

useful to have someone no longer in

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office who feels they can speak out.

Of course, you'd expect them to do

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so.

Let's move on, having ignored

Brexit for a couple of minutes! The

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papers are full of it with that EU

withdrawal bill being debated today.

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The Daily Telegraph, Rachel, a Hall

of shame for the Daily Telegraph.

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This not at all sinister headline,

the Brexit mutineers, listing the

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Conservative MPs who are planning to

rebel against Theresa May's idea to

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put into law a date, and actual date

that Britain leaves the EU. And

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these remain supporting Conservative

MPs, mainly, and they say it is

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ridiculous because we are saying

that we don't want to leave, we

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aren't trying to overturn the

rendered decision, where just trying

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to ensure that believe safely and

get a good deal, that we don't rush

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and leave just because we committed

ourselves to this arbitrary date.

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The Labour Party is completely

opposed to the date, dismissing it

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as a gimmick and as Theresa May

pandering to the Eurosceptics in her

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party. Just kind of boring them a

fish to keep them quiet and stop

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them from bickering and being

divisive. And at the expense of the

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country. Not a great thing to try

and do and therefore no supplies

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that she's facing this rebellion

from our own MPs. I would find it

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very unlikely that this move to put

the date into law were actually

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passed.

It's a very interesting

dispute. A number of things happened

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today, not that I want to jump the

gun, but the Daily Express covers it

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as well. There was a vote to repeal

the European Communities Act and a

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plan to transfer all EU regulations

into British law on the day we

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leave. And then the ultimatum

essentially is a vote for the deal

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we have other Macs we -- or we will

leave without one. A question about

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whether the date on the bill, the

date of leaving should be on the

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bill. It would be unusual to type

parliament's hands in this way. It

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is an interesting point of

conscience, some of these MPs wanted

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to remain in the EU themselves but

represent leave constituencies.

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Ultimately, I think it was Edmund

Burke who said you are a member of

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Parliament and when you get there

you aren't solely a member of your

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individual constituencies. You

should be voting, I think, long

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constituency line but another part

of me thinks that if you feel this

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is going to be very damaging to the

country and your constituents

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themselves, then maybe you should

consider your position and resign.

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It's a very difficult decision and

it comes back to the idea that this

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was done by referendum and wasn't a

promise in the Conservative

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manifesto, that all Conservative MPs

had to sign up to. When it was done

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by referendum, these are always

difficult issues you come up

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against.

Indeed, you mentioned the

Daily Express. It has a Brexit

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headline, plan revealed of a new

plot to derail Brexit. What is it?

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This is an almost wilful misreading

of straight facts. I don't know how

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you can reach that conclusion from

what's being planned. Which is that

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a senior Labour Party figure is

apparently saying that, you know,

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they're is going to try and commit

parliament in these discussions over

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the withdrawal bill that we're going

to be seeing over the next days and

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weeks, to a two year transition

period. By any stretch, saying that

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you want a two year transition deal

period isn't same as saying you want

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to plot to stop Brexit. I think it's

symptomatic of the security of the

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leave constituency and its

supporters in the right-wing press.

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If they were more confident about

their own hand and their capacity to

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take Britain out of the EU properly

and safely come in a way that

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wouldn't actually cause massive

economic damage to the country, then

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they wouldn't have to keep going on

and on about mutineers and traitors

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and these Das Dudley plots to derail

Brexit because they'd understand

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that this is a straightforward

parliamentary process of scrutiny

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and accountability which is what

Parliament is there for. So this

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idea that everyone is constantly

plotting to derail is what insecure

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eyes are going to see.

Worth

pointing out that the Labour Party

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is also split over Europe, isn't it?

The Labour Party is also compromised

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in that many of their MPs represent

constituencies that absolutely want

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to leave the EU but at the end of

the day they aren't the ones in

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power. Rachel is right, if it is

limited to a two-year transition

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deal, then that ultimately isn't a

plan to derail Brexit but if the

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plan behind it is actually to delay

and delay as much as we can, to hang

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onto the two year transition and

maybe we can make it last longer,

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then you are looking at something

more sinister. I guess MPs should be

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upfront. There are some people like

Ken Clarke and a number on Labour

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benches who feel that it is going to

be a disaster. You can deal with

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that honesty but it is people who

are hedging their bets and trying to

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push it into the future because it

lacks transparency.

Interesting that

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these cross-party alliances are

being formed. In a sense, Labour and

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Conservative are not really the

labels any more, it is leave and

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remain when it comes to this debate.

The front page of the Guardian, the

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story is that Russia backed Brexit

in fake Twitter posts. Every week

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there is a new story about Russia

and its influence, either online or

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elsewhere, in the democratic

processes in the West. What does it

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say?

The story says there is concern

about Russian influence in British

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politics, coming off the back of

Theresa May saying in a speech, we

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know what you're up to. The Times

runs on it as well. We shouldn't be

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under any illusion that this

influence people's decision to vote

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to leave the EU, it wasn't about the

message on the back of the bus, it

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wasn't about the tweets that Russia

put out.

I love the people genuinely

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want to leave the EU and have power

returned -- a lot of people

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genuinely want to leave the EU. It

is concerning if you have a foreign

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country, the Guardian have shortened

the organisation unfortunately to

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the IRA, influencing British

politics out of a number of accounts

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suspended by Twitter in the US. That

may sound like a lot but it is a

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tiny number of accounts compared to

what goes on on Twitter. I think

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there is a select committee looking

into these things and it is right

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that we know what's going on but I

think we should also be careful not

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to exaggerate every influence they

might have had.

How worried about

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this are you?

It is important to

keep these two things separate.

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People vote in certain ways and that

needs to be understood, people are

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making those decisions for whatever

reasons, that isn't necessarily to

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be conflated with the hijacking of

our political conversation. Those

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two things can exist separately. Of

course it's worrying if you have

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Russian influence in our political

conversation in this way, especially

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over Brexit. Not just that, it's the

kind of things that these bots and

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troll farms, very divisive in

society. Anti-immigration. They have

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tracked a Kremlin linked operation

which attempted to stir anti-Islamic

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settlement around -- sentiment

around the time of the Westminster

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attack. There was a bogus claim that

a Muslim woman was ignoring victims.

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It wasn't true but it made a lot of

noise. That is the danger and the

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worry. Politicians should be taking

this a lot more seriously and

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calling for an investigation.

Let's

move on to the Financial Times,

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another Brexit story. Davis soothing

city fears with this boat travel. --

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with this boat travel.

Quite an

interesting story in that David

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Davis wants to protect the city and

the vine, -- and the financial

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markets so he has suggested they

post Brexit cavalry team allowing

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them to travel freely across Europe

as Theresa May tries to reassure the

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City of London. What happens post

Brexit, this is important to the

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British economy. I think people

working for the same firm, if they

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are switching between offices,

London and Brussels and Paris, they

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will be treated in a different

manner to other workers. He will

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want to streamline the system and

have as few regulations or

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limitations on that form of

movement. Of course he has to get

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Europe to agree to that and that

again will be another negotiation

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point. He seems pretty sure that the

EU will want to play ball on this

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because they will want access to the

London financial markets.

Let's move

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on, naturally, away from Brexit and

onto the front page of the Guardian,

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talking about Zimbabwe and what's

going on. Rumours of a clue.

Yes,

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these are rumours and there are

rumours that Robert Mugabe is behind

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it -- rumours of a coup. He is the

only leader that Zimbabwe has had in

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37 years of independence. The

rumours are that these tanks and

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lorries that the witnesses are

seeing, military personnel in the

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roads approaching the capital have

been ordered by Mugabe. There's no

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confirmation of that and I the

ambassador in South Africa has

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denied that has said it is stable

and fine but it doesn't look great.

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Deceiving South African diplomats

have said that the government in

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Harare is intact and they have

dismissed of a coup. One more story.

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Delia is in a froth over the rise of

the "poncy" chefs. Who are they?

I

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don't think we are going to name

them.

Do you share her anger at

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chefs who put six dots of sauce on a

plate?

When I saw the story I

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thought she meant cooking at home,

that we shouldn't do the fancy

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dishes at home and I certainly agree

with that. In fact she is

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complaining that when she goes out,

it has become far too fancy and she

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doesn't want these six dots on the

plate and I'd have to agree that I'd

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rather like the chance to get out to

such a restaurant and I wouldn't be

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complaining. If you don't want to

go, Delia, I'll go!

Rachel?

This has

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been one of the things that is

surely to be celebrated about

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British life, the incredible cuisine

that has boomed and blossomed in

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this country and particularly this

modern British trend over the last

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few years, I think it's been really

interesting. It is experimental,

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maybe a bit.... Delia had a cookbook

all about boiling an egg,

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essentially.

This is a different

chapter. Thank you both a rematch,

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Rachel and Laura. That's it for the

papers.

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Don't forget you can see the front

pages of the papers online

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on the BBC News website,

and if you miss the programme any

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evening you can watch it

later on BBC iPlayer.

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Thank

you Laura Perrins and Rachel Shabi.

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Goodbye.

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