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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are Charlie Wells,

Deputy Snapchat editor

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at the Economist and the Huffington

Post's political

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reporter, Kate Forrester.

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Welcome to you both. It was not long

ago to have been a reporter on the

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Huffington Post was pretty out

there!

It was quite new but not now!

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What is a Snapchat editor?

I write

and produce with a small team a

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weekly edition on Snapchat's

Discover platform. The Economist has

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been around for 174 years, Snapchat

for six and in the past few years

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they have had a platform where

publishers can put their content, it

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is an invite only ecosystem, and we

create video content, repurposed old

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articles, write new pieces for the

platform and we see it as a great

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way of getting our journalists have

helped to millions are particularly

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young people who are consuming news

on their phones.

Does it bring them

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to the more traditional forms of the

Economist?

We definitely see this as

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a long game. It is a nice gateway

for showing even people -- young

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people who might not be familiar

with the economist who we are. It

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would be great if eventually they

want to continue reading on the

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website or subscribe to the

magazine.

They always say that we're

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to train children for jobs that

don't exist any more and I doubt

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yours existed? Definitely not. Yours

certainly didn't!

Definitely not! It

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has been such a fascinating

experience. It is a testament to the

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Economist's willingness to try a new

digital platforms.

I job did exist

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when I was a school, let's hope it

stays around for a bit longer but

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you never know! Thank you for that.

I hope you don't mind us having a

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little diversion.

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Tomorrow's front pages.

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Starting with...

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The Financial Times reports

the London Stock Exchange Group

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is considering whether to publish

a dossier on the behaviour

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of its chief executive

in defence of accusations

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they forced him to resign.

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The Times says Google has

made millions of pounds

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in advertising from videos that

exploit young children on YouTube.

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It also features prominently a photo

of Zimbabwe's president

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Robert Mugabe emerging from house

arrest in Harare.

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The i says a tax

on takeaway plastic,

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like food boxes and coffee cups,

could be introduced

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when the government announces

its budget next week.

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The Daily Mirror reports

on a father's fight

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to clear his name after he punched

an intruder in his home.

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The Telegraph says

Europe is threatening

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to withhold Britain's final rebate

payment of five billion euros

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as part of negotiations

over the Brext Bill.

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The Sun claims an exclusive

on the controversy

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surrounding pornography found

on Damien Green's

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computer at Westminster.

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It says content is violent

and would have been illegal

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if found a week later.

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It also says it is unclear

who downloaded the material.

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The Daily Mail has

the story of British

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explorer Benedict Allen,

who was rescued from

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a Papua New Guinea jungle

after going missing

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on an expedition.

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And the Guardian says parents

who divorce could be

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denied access to their children

if they try to turn

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one against the other.

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Three stories connected to the

budget which of course is only a

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matter of days away. Take away

plastic to be taxed, this is in

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lured, things like single use cups

-- this is in the i.

It is such a

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big part of life, everybody is used

to seeing it and it is quite a big

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change. On paper it might seem quite

a big step but if you look at

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similar measures that have been

taken in the past, the 5p tax on

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plastic bags for example, when that

was brought in everybody thought

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that was going to be a pain and to

be honest it has gone off without a

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hitch. Everybody has that used to

it. You take your bags out shopping

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and it has cut the number of plastic

bags being thrown away by a don't

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know exactly how much but a lot I

believe. It is great news for

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environmental campaigners who are

all delighted. But I think it'll

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take a bit more than raising the

price of a cabal to be a successful

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budget.

I suppose the difference is

that whilst you know you are going

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shopping, you might take a bag with

you but if you are going to take

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away, do you take a plate with you

the Miz it ties into this

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interesting idea of nudges which are

taking off over the past few years

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in behavioural economics.

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Governments will try to set policies

that make people make a little

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change, something manageable. The

exciting thing about this is that it

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could perhaps raise people's

economic DAC -- ecological

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consciousness. Thinking about the

impact of your plastic utensils you

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might make other changes. I know

that these forks are causing a

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problem, I should probably turn off

the lights as well and think about

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the impacts of my consumption.

And

it is not just landfill, we are

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seeing these videos of divers in the

sea and as far as you can look to

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the horizon there is miles of

plastic bottles floating in the ward

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and killing marine life.

It is

really depressing and especially

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with Blue Planet being on at the

moment, everybody is looking at how

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beautiful the ocean is and how

fantastic all this marine life is

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and it is obviously being choked by

tonnes of rubbish.

The Economist on

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Snapchat actually did an edition on

this!

Shameless!

We did an edition

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on plastic and fascinatingly, there

has been research that there are new

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forms of life for Ming in some of

these plastic colonies in the ocean.

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-- forming. It seems we are entering

an age in which humans are changing

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life on the planet significantly.

There was the famous experiment of

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recording in industrial Britain

moths changing their wing patterns

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to fit in with city walls. Murder

somebody will correct me and tell me

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I have got my biology one -- no

doubt somebody will correct me. In

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America you have brown paper bags

rather than plastic bags, don't you?

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You can recycle bad but still the

recycling is going to take energy

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resources as well so I think the

more people can cut down on this the

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better. It speaks to this larger

problem of the delivery ecosystem in

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places like London and New York,

places like China, everybody is

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getting everything delivered.

Governments need to update policies

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to manage this growing ecosystem.

You can buy something quite small

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and it comes with all that

packaging.

I ordered something

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recently, I won't say where from, it

eventually came delivered to my home

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in a sleeping bag! It is awful.

There was a story a couple of days

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ago a woman who had ordered a pair

of tights or something and there was

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about a mild slurp of cardboard

packaging that came with it. It's

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crazy. -- a mile's worth of

cardboard packaging.

The FT talks

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about the budget. Hammond plunges

extra £5 billion for budget

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spending. -- country is --

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. This is houses those wishing debt

which has been reassigned.

This is

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kind of an accounting benefit which

the government has on its hands

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right now. The hope is that this

budget will not be used for

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political gain but actually to set

good growth orientated policy. We

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all know the UK is entering a moment

of uncertainty. If I remember

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correctly unemployment was up for

the first time in a while so one

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would hope the government would use

this money to encourage growth

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instead of trying to make up for

losses. But we still need extra

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housing which is where the thinking

is this money might be spent.

To

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encourage many more houses to be

built and that would steal a march

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on what Labour have been criticising

the Tories for.

It would. I think

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Phillip Hammond is in a bit of a

bind. He is under pressure from some

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Cabinet ministers like Sajid Javid

who have said that we need tonnes

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more investment in house building

and infrastructure. On the other

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side he has a lot of Brexiteers who

are very much looking to hamstring

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him for anything they can in this

budget and if he goes too far one

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way he risks damaging this

reputation of fiscal responsibility

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that he spent seven years

cultivating.

Can he not get around

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that by saying that this money is no

longer on the books of the Treasury

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or the Public accounts because it is

housing associations and they are

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not part of the public sector?

I

guess he can. I just think he is in

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a very precarious position,

especially given the disastrous

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budget of last year with his U-turn

on national insurance for example.

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He had to climb down in a matter of

days after the huge backlash. I

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think he is under a lot of pressure

to get this right. Whether that will

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come off for him remains to be seen.

Another story in the Independent.

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Budget sector to deliver council

housing boost, local authorities who

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have traditionally been responsible

for building council houses before

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housing associations became so

prevalent, they are going to be

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allowed to borrow.

I think they are

struggling so much that there

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appears to be very little other

options for them on the table. For

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local authorities it is not just

housing that is causing the issue it

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is things like social care. They

have a budget gap of billions in the

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coming years and I think something

has got to be freed up in order to

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deliver these things.

That is why we

build them. We had Lord Adonis

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talking about this arc between

Oxford and Cambridge and building

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hundreds of thousands of homes that

would, according to his

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calculations, generate huge growth

and prosperity and productivity.

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That would be great. I am a renter,

I dream of owning a home, I don't

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know I will ever be able to afford

it to anything the government can do

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to make buying a home easier I would

be in favour of. Purely anecdotally

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and I would love to get your

thoughts on this, I know that

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millenials do want to own homes and

just as much as people of other

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generations but I think there are

deeper issues that millenials worry

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about. The dig economy for instance.

-- gig. There are other questions

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they want to ask, will my job be

around in five years, will the

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economy be open to trade and the

rest of the world? I would love to

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see more of a focus on those things.

Housing is incredibly important that

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you are trying to capture the

millenials vote, there are deeper

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structural things to look at as

well.

There is an awful lot of

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uncertainty. We don't know what our

economy is going to look like in the

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next year even, certainly the next

two years, post-Brexit. What does it

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look like post-Brexit? Nobody is

able to give us a definitive answer

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on that at the moment.

Is popular as

it may be with people who live in

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that arc between Oxford and

Cambridge, if it really is going to

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generate prosperity and jobs and

homes, that is home-grown, isn't it?

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It doesn't depend on the rest of

Europe or the world.

That's true.

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Isn't it only like 7% of the land in

the UK is actually built on.

When

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you fly over you realise how

unspoiled many paths are. That is

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not to say that people want to carry

on spoiling those parts. But you

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have to live somewhere. It is a

constant tension.

And it is a

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difficult political game to play

because nobody wants to hear, we're

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going to build loads of houses on

the Green Belt for example. But at

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some point some bold decisions will

have to be made. There is an awful

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lot of spare land that we have and I

think it could be utilised better.

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It is about building the right kind

of homes.

The right kind and the

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infrastructure that can support

them. I am from California and I

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have seen so many massive mansion

housing community is essentially

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built in a desert. The hope is that

certainly to expand but to be spot

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about it -- are smart about it.

In

the times, they say that Google is

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making millions of pounds from

advertising around videos that we

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fight immensely disturbing and we do

not understand why anybody would

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want to make these and watch them.

These are some disgusting piece of

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content. This story talks about a

seven-year-old girl bleeding from

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the mouth and crying after losing a

tooth. You can't understand why

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anybody would want to watch this

sort of thing. This is going to play

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into the idea of a tech backlash

that we are starting to see. In the

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financial crisis these large

companies almost seemed like

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saviours, innovators who could

essentially do no wrong but now with

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issues like content policing,

Russian meddling in social media

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platforms, YouTube, Facebook,

Twitter, people are taking a more

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sceptical view.

Perhaps the things

that will concentrate the mind of

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the company is that when advertisers

start withdrawing these adverts.

Of

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course and obviously our systems and

the way we deal with issues that

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arise online have not quite caught

up with the speed of technology and

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the growth of the Internet itself.

However, if you put up a song on

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YouTube and you don't have the

copyright for it, it is taken down

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within minutes if not seconds. They

are so hot on that. The idea that

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these big tech giants could not

develop a system where they could

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more easily tackle this extremist or

really horrible and distasteful

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content, I'm not sure I buy it.

If

that is your business, you have got

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to have that facility. Looking at

the Daily Telegraph, you did not

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think you could get away without a

Brexit story? EU threat to withhold

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Thatcher's rebate. This is the

rebate they have been heralding all

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these years to get money back from

the fact that we contribute to the

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EU. Why might it be withheld?

It is

more wrangling over money. It is the

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divorce bill. We cannot move forward

with any trade negotiations as we

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know until the divorce Bill is

settled. It says here that senior

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sources believe... It says

negotiations over the bill which the

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EU sets at 60 billion are still not

settled if the UK would receive the

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payment as part of a final

settlement when it leaves the EU in

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March 2019. I don't know how much

this means to real people! We can

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try to make it real. I'm looking at

it and obviously...

Isn't the

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message I suppose that Britain is

not putting enough money on the

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table and the EU is saying, if you

don't put enough money, we will keep

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back the money you would have

expected to get?

That's right.

How

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that matters to an ordinary person

who is not bothered about the

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machinations of all of this, maybe

the EU is doing what they have said

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they always do and some people don't

like that, the fact that in some

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people's views they are being mean

about it.

I guess I'm struggling to

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tease out the new information here

because it is obviously more

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financial wrangling. I think David

Davis has tried to claw back the

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rhetoric a little bit with his

speech this week where he basically

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said that the EU need to convert

might as well and you can't get

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something for nothing but how much

of an effect is having, not sure

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that's what it needs to compromise.

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Just looking at this front page, it

looks like it's from 1980 to! I

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can't imagine the last time the word

Thatcher was used in the third line

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of a lead story.

It is the Daily

Telegraph!

But it is playing into

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readers emotions. Let's say you are

a Brexit supporter, which I'm not,

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but if you are, you want to have a

very good negotiating tactic with

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Brussels to try to get the best deal

you can also you need to stay

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clear-headed, thinking about

Margaret Thatcher's rebate, which is

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a small amount of money, is probably

going to distract you.

But very

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symbolic for a lot of people.

True.

Let's finish with a nice dog story.

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Get a dog and live longer. We knew

that having certain types of pets

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was good for you but not quite as

good.

What's not to like? It's a

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lovely dog. I think there is

definitely something in that as an

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animal lover and a pet owner.

You

can cut the risk of heart disease by

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up to 36%.

I am not a pet owner, I

am a dog fan! I have heard that

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somebody might be a cat fan.

You can

like both!

I think you are one or

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the other. If you had to come down?

Cat.

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We have the nasty as to cat in the

world but the sweetest dog! That is

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it for tonight. Don't forget that

you can see the front pages of the

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papers online on the BBC News

website which is there for you seven

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days a week. If you missed the

programme any evening you can watch

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it later on the iPlayer. Charlie and

Kate, thank you for coming in.

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