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He takes over from Kezia Dugdale.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me the broadcaster and former

Fleet Street editor,

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Eve Pollard and the journalist,

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown.

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Welcome to you both. Let's take a

look at tomorrow's front pages.

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The Observer leads on the situation

in Zimbabwe, with a picture of one

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of the anti-Mugabe demonstrators

that have been out

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on the streets of Harare.

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The Mail on Sunday reports

on an apparent altercation

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between two Labour MPs

in the Commons chamber.

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The Sunday Express claims that

in Wednesday's budget the Chancellor

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will announce support for Britain's

tech industries that could mean

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we'll have driverless cars

on our roads by 2021.

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The Sunday Telegraph also leads

on a pre-budget announcement,

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this time reporting that nurses

are in line for a pay rise.

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Well now, where shall we start? The

Observer, shall we do them first? Ya

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's men, it is about Robert Mugabe,

extraordinary scenes in Zimbabwe

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will stop -- Yasmin.

It is an

extraordinary story. The Army has

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not behaved as army is usually do.

They have been respective of the old

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man. I was in Uganda when the EDI

main coup happened and I can tell

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you that armies behave shockingly

when coups happen. -- Idi Amin. Now

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it seems that people are coming out.

They were quite scared in the

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beginning or disbelieving. Now even

the army people and Zanu people are

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saying...

That is the party.

He has

ruled over them. He has been

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shocking at times. I think he will

have to go but he could have done it

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differently. He could have left with

grace. He has a lot of money.

With

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Grace or with his wife?

Good point.

Design extraordinary situation.

It

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is heartening, if you're going to

topple a dictator which he was, this

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is a civilised way of doing it.

Today he handed out things at a

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university. He went out specially.

He is 93. They are showing him a bit

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of respect. But you'd think is only

every other country which was run by

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a code to...

But it ain't over. The

person who was selected was his

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first choice.

This is a man with the

nickname the crocodile. A long-time

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associate of Robert Mugabe involved

with most things...

One thing which

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it is important to remember, and I

read a column about this, we do need

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to remember what he was like in the

early days. He was a hero, a

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liberationist hero. He was put into

prison for ten years.

He got a

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degree when he was in prison.

His

baby boy died then. The radiation

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authorities and our government would

not let him go to the funeral -- the

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Rhodesian authorities. Then he

turned into this person who was

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dictatorial and thought the country

belonged to him.

He did.

It is the

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end of an era. Let's go domestic.

Eve, the Sunday Telegraph, looking

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ahead to the budget. Philip

Hammond's in trade must be enormous.

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They are talking about a pay boost

for nurses?

Quite a lot of his

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intraday is coming from his own team

and this is actually, apparently he

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is going to give a boost to nurses

and probably to schools, but what is

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interesting is that I've four years

and others have said this, the NHS

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is not -- should not be a political

football, it is much too serious. It

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should have a Royal commission. We

are paying managers a fortune. We

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are paying agencies a fortune to get

nurses. We don't have nurses homes.

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How can you afford to live in London

if you are in a? I can remember the

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time, my parents had a friend who

was a nurse, lived in a nurses home.

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But the reason it is always going to

be in politics is because taxpayers

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pay for it so it is bound to be a

political football.

But in France

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they paid for the health service and

it is not a football.

As you have

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said, they want the teachers, they

want the cap removed. State schools

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are in a terrible state. And then

there are the people who want a

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Brexit whatever it is called, war

chest, because it is going to cost.

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I don't know how he's going to do

all of this because he is a sensible

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man.

He is a sensible man who has

built up a good business of his own.

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The curious thing about Brexit is it

seems like a very bad divorce.

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Somebody has taken the money and

Somerby has taken the house and they

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say only when you give me the money

and the house I will tell you when

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you can see the children.

I wish we

had got a mediator and not got a

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divorce!

Nobody told us we would

have to give billions. I don't know

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why.

We seem to have strayed from

the NHS to Brexit. I know there are

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links. There is a lot of detail in

this story. There are quite a few

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other things in there as well.

They

are talking about tech because the

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driverless cars which of course

journalists are fascinated by,

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because most of them are in a state

where they would like to have

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driverless cars and not want to

drive themselves when they have had

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a drink or two.

That is a rather

sweeping statement!

It is. They will

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probably tell us we cannot drive

them anyway. I would love it, I

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could talk on the phone and put on

make-up it would be fantastic.

In

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the idea of this thing in your house

which you speak to and it does

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things, oh no!

Hang on, we have

strayed again. Get back to this

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story in the Sunday Telegraph.

In

previous budgets we more or less

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knew all about the budget by now.

This one is happening this week and

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we are still making guesses as to

what Philip Hammond will do.

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Housing.

No money really. He has got

to loosen austerity.

The point about

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all these stories, it is not just

about what will the Chancellor do,

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will he put a penny on tax here or

there, he has a political battle to

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fight, Yasmin? Brexit is on his mind

but he wants to stop young people

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voting Labour.

It is a political

agenda because the Tory party is

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losing support. But he himself is in

a lot of trouble because of this

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Brexit think tearing his own party

up. I would not want to be Philip

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Hammond.

No one talks about Brexit

caring the Labour Party apart.

They

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are not in power so they did have to

do the budget.

They don't count. It

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will mean a big change for him.

Let's go back to this business of

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driverless cars because the Sunday

Express is saying driverless cars by

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2021. Where do they get that 2021

from?

I don't know. According to the

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Sunday express, it very confidently

said driverless cars will be on the

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roads in three years as part of a

multi-million pound plan, as part of

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the technological revolution. I

don't know if these are placed

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stories, prebudget placed stories or

mad thinking.

For a start, you would

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have to flatten half our roads which

have eternal bumps. 2021 is much to

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year. And Kessler are still busy

getting out there driverless cars --

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Tesla. I love the idea of them. You

can do your washing and make up!

We

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seem to have gone round in a circle

again! The point is, I have to

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confess, I have a motorcar now which

I have learned to be cautious with

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it, because if it thinks there is

another car getting in the way the

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brakes come on. We are not too far

away from the time when cars are

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automatic.

It is very soon. The

human still has two count. The have

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been some incidents where they have

started testing these things. The

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human instinct is a very important

one.

Are they going to be running on

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electricity? How will we make enough

electricity and will we have enough

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place to plug your car in?

We have

any got the front page of the Sunday

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Express, but it does say Philip

Hammond is a Houdini of politics if

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he gets all this right, he is

expected to spend money developing

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artificial intelligence.

Europeans

are doing this, the Americans are

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doing this, the one way we will

survive if we sadly do have to stave

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off on our own is being as fit and

as good as them at business so we

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will have to make stuff. There is no

doubt we need money put into it.

I

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think I would prefer money to be put

into more essential services than a

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driverless car. We don't need it.

This might lead us back to the

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Observer again. They have a story on

the front page, 1000 nurseries shut

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as childcare crisis mounts. What is

this about?

This is about how many

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nurseries, many of them outstanding,

have closed over the last year. The

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Tories did promise, if you remember,

30 hours for people earning less

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than £100,000 a year, 30 hours of

free childcare. That is terribly

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important because when you and I

were working, childcare was not so

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expensive, but now it has become a

very expensive.

This will help the

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middle classes, £100,000 is beyond

the imagination.

But it means if you

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are less than that if you are a

woman you can have a part-time job.

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The truth about this as they are

going bust these places, because

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their rates have gone up, because

their rents have gone up. What

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should have happened if everybody

should have looked at schools around

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the country and said, can we build a

class on. It would be easier if

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parents were taking little ones and

bigger ones to the same place. Can

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we make space somewhere on the

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facilities. The playground may not

be as big. Then they would not have

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to pay rent and all the rest of it.

Talking about a radical approach to

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childcare?

It is also about how much

childcare workers are paid. We are

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going to have to start thinking more

seriously about means tested

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benefits. People that can afford it

pay for their own childcare and

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people who can't and need to go out

to work need to be better

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subsidised. This 100,000 cap, I

never agreed with it. But also what

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I am astonished by, it says the

preschool learning Alliance say

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local authorities typically pay

nurseries and childminders for

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pounds 27 hour. -- £4.27.

The other

thing is I bet you if you or I

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volunteered to be teachers and we

would both be bloody good, in a

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nursery for a day a week, they

would... The trouble with means

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testing if it costs more to means

test than to pay people out almost.

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I know why it was a universal

benefit, lots of these universal

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benefits have been good since the

end of the war, but we cannot afford

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for middle classes to be getting the

amount of money out of the state,

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including me.

Very quickly, one last

one, the Sunday Telegraph front

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page, a picture of a smiling couple

70 years married. What do you think?

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Ask her, she is a royalist! I am

not!

I think the Queen has done a

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brilliant job. One of the brilliant

jobs is she and the Duke of

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Edinburgh have stayed married for 17

years.

That is an achievement. But

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lots of other couples do.

Not as

many as they used to.

That

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generation.

Will see of the next

generation can keep it up.

They

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can't, they went!

Thank you very

much. -- they won't.

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That's it for The Papers this hour.

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Thank you Eve and Yasmin -

you'll both be back at 11.30

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for another look at the stories

making the news tomorrow.

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