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News to the weekend, see you in a

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Well and welcome to our look ahead

at what the papers will be bringing

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us tomorrow morning. With me, Helen

Brand, OBE, chief executive of the

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Association of Chartered Certified

Accountants. And Sebastian Payne,

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correspondent at the Financial

Times. Welcome to you both. Before I

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speak to them, let's take a look at

some of tomorrow's front pages. The

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Daily Mail calls people to rejoice.

We are our way. The Telegraph hails

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the price of freedom from all the

stories about Brexit you'll be

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surprised to hear. The express talks

of a huge Brexit at last. Mae

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bounces back, that's what the Times

runs with. The 2-1 headline, Britain

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sets course for a soft Brexit. The

Financial Times itself strikes a

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cautious tone noting Donald Tusk's

warnings on tough choices ahead are

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all around. The daily Mirror

describes Theresa May as Mrs Softy.

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The Guardian notes the European

Union warning there might be delays

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to a final Brexit deal. OK, let's

get started on papers. Alan, you

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lead us off with the Daily Mail.

There is a Theresa May hand, a

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Claude Junker hand shaking.

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It seems a little over the top.

I'm

not sure rejoice is necessarily the

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word the business world will be

using I think relief is probably

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more along the lines. It's more

about losing control of its borders

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and money. The relief in the

business world is more about there

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being movement, that we are moving

forward.

Because you want to get on,

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business wants to get to the trade

talks.

We know business confidence

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has been severely knocked by the

insurgency around Brexit. In our

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global economic conditions, the UK

and Irish members, it's been reduced

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by half in the past year. It was all

linked to Brexit and lack of

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certainty around the transition

period. That the hard border

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possibility... Actually, regulatory

governance was something that came

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up quite often with members in terms

of what's worrying them moving

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forward. All of those things are

starting to be addressed. More

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importantly we can get down to the

detail of the trade agreements.

If

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we unravel those, those three

things, borders, laws and money,

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nothing particularly nailed down.

Generalities is what we've got,

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isn't it was indeed.

What we've

heard today is an Brexit on the 30th

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of March 2019, not much is going to

change, we'll still be handing over

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big sums of money, there will still

be free movement of people. The laws

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are still going to be mirrored

what's happening in Europe the

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foreseeable future. It means nothing

changes but for all those people who

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voted for a radical shake-up of our

politics, I don't think it's quite

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what they had in the deal put

forward today, there is talk of the

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European Court of Justice having

jurisdiction for eight years after

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exits day.

In political terms, next

century, might as well be.

Two

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parliaments away from where we stand

now. A lot of compromises here. If

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you think a lot of the bellicose

rhetoric we had during the

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referendum campaign, it's all been

calmed down, cooler heads

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prevailing.

The European Court of

Justice has been a compromise on the

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European side. They saw that in

perpetuity, there would be some

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recourse to the European Court of

Justice. There has been some

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compromise on both sides.

To your

own paper, Sebastian, as you say, it

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seems a little less wildly

enthusiastic. Mae blunted by Donald

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Tusk warning on tough choices ahead.

Are we saying this was quite a...

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Victory isn't the word, a

breakthrough. The next it will be

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terribly difficult.

That is the

editorial inside our paper tomorrow,

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says exactly that, it's been a tough

battle to get here and Theresa May

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has done very well. Also to bring

her party with her on this journey

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because she's had this coalition of

Brexit is and Remainers who have

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different views on whether country

should head. Everybody today was

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giving this is the nod, saying this

is a good deal. The tough stuff

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comes on the trade negotiations

because a lot of Brexit supporters

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have been holding fire because they

really want that final clean break

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in 2021, 2022. Willing to accept

handing over money, free movement of

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people, some ECA jurisdiction. They

will want a clean, final break.

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Making that work is going to be

tough. This is what Donald Tusk said

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today, the divorce is done. It's

hard to divorce something, but even

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harder to build a future

relationship. We've had a tense 48

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hours in British politics. A lot

more of those tense moments before

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this process is over.

If one was to

say this is leading us towards a

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soft Brexit in headline terms, do

you think...

I don't think that's

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unfair when you look at the reality

of what has been agreed, it is

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softer than harder.

What has been

negotiated around the Irish border

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issue does look like that. Can you

come friend what it's really about?

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It seems everybody has a slightly

different view of what it means.

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There seems to be a common view

about trying to maintain the status

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quo for citizens of Northern

Ireland, in terms of trade and

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access and no imposition of a

border. I don't think we seen the

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detail, you hear that coming from

the DUP. In terms of wanting to see

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that detail. They don't want a

different solution from the rest of

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the United Kingdom.

Interesting

today, both the pound and shares

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went up, which would indicate the

business world feels it is in the

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right direction.

A bit of relief.

Its major news, people picking their

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way through it. Helen, perhaps you

can start this one, May bounces

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back. Fair enough. It's when you

come to the little headlines,

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rejuvenated PM to confront Johnson

an Brexit. For those of us who might

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have forgotten where Boris stands,

what is this about?

Boris wants a

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clean break at some point.

The

Foreign Secretary.

I don't know him

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personally, so Foreign Secretary. He

wants a clean break. He's going to

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compromise elements now with the

endgame in mind. It's been the big

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issue, the Cabinet hasn't discussed

the endgame. Buoyed by the success

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of the last 24 hours, saying we're

going to have this discussion now.

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We can all aim for a common vision

of what Brexit means.

The Times

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reported December 19 will be the

first time the Cabinet is sitting

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down and saying, what does Brexit

means Brexit actually mean in

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practice?

How long after the

referendum is this? A year and a

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half.

The key thing is, the reason

they haven't had this discussion is

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because there is no agreement, this

is where the real divergences. As

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you were saying, Boris wants that

clean break have to like Liam Fox

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and Michael Gove, people like Philip

Hammond and Amber Rudd what a much

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closer relationship with the EU.

Finding a compromise between those

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will be quite difficult. In the

Times story they've said this

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meeting is not going to be about

shouting, trying to win arguments,

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it'll be about everybody laying out

their positions and explaining where

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they come from. The key figure in

this will be Michael Gove. Doing the

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broadcast around speaking on behalf

of the Prime Minister this morning.

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The man talking about taking back

control, the Democratic

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liberalisation of a concept he's the

one saying it's great giving £35

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billion to the EU, just what we

wanted. Which way he falls on this

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decision, do we remain close to

Europe or go far away? He'll be the

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deciding factor on how you broker

the second phase of the talks.

This

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indicates more about what Mrs May's

position is.

If she is softer...

The

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story says she wants to confront

Boris Johnson on this issue. She is

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clear in her is interesting. I don't

think we've had back clarity until

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now.

It's amazing when you began

this week, in a weak position Mrs

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May was in. On Monday she was meant

to do the deal, it fell apart, she

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had to take a quick phone call from

Arlene Foster of the DUP who said

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she would block the deal. There was

talk of her being gone by Christmas,

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couldn't last the week, now she's

bounced back. Even now there is talk

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she will hold the reshuffle, to

bring more life into her Cabinet.

Is

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it likely in the present scenario?

One might think she wants things to

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settle down. You think reshuffle is

likely?

She does want to have a

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reshuffle and has wanted to do so

since the June election. Bit by bit

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she has lost more and more political

capital and gain some of the budget,

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the first budget in who knows how

long, that didn't fall apart the day

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after. She's now got this deal, bit

by bit getting stronger. I think if

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she's going to sack some people,

promote some people, before the end

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of the year, it's a pretty good

time.

There was talk Philip and the

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Chancellor would be moved aside. As

you say, his budget has done rather

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well. I haven't heard the business

world complaining about it, pretty

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unusual.

No, I think the business

world, again, as long as certainty,

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stability, is welcome as well. The

idea of who is leading, what they

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are leading on, is quite important.

Sorry...

I do think... There is this

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moment of strength, that's the

point. Coming forward we'll get into

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more detail and it'll get really

difficult which is what your

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newspaper said. It's not going to be

simple.

Michael Gove has written in

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the Telegraph... You spotted,

seeming terribly enthusiastic, some

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might say a slight reversal of where

he was before, it's near the end

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you've spotted what you think is a

golden nugget.

Indeed, possibly.

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Michael Gove has written an opinion

piece which explains what a

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wonderful deal this is, the best

deal Donald Trump might say. In the

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end, an interesting sentence about

this exit proposal, saying it's a

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British people dislike the

arrangement we've negotiated with

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the EU, the arranged... The

agreement will allow a future

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government to diverged. What he's

saying is... It will not buy into

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the UK hands to follow that

trajectory for evermore. Let's say

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we had a soft deal and it wasn't

working, the Tory government would

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get a looser, have a hard Brexit. Or

a future government might come along

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and say, this isn't working, maybe

we should go back into the EU. This

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is a very significant thing for

Michael Gove, essentially saying

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even though we thought the Brexit

question was closed and done, it's

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in the hands of the people.

He says

the agreement will allow... He's

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saying this is built into the

agreement. Which I've not seen

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highlighted today.

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Nigel Farage will have something

sharp to say about that.

To put it

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mildly. One thing to note about Mr

Gove, one of the reasons he's being

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ultra-loyal, like Mr Johnson, who's

been more of a troublemaker, Mr Gove

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is desperate to be Chancellor, that

is the job you'll really want. If

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he's very loyal and shows himself

politically astute, come the

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reshuffle, maybe the hapless,

slightly hapless Mr Hammond might

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get moved aside, that's what he's

hoping anyway.

Thank you for all

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that.

It is like a cunning plan.

Let's move on to other matters.

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Funnily enough the sun has it quite

prominently, for them anyway. Trump

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frenzy it talks about. Sebastian,

remind us what this is all about and

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why it's so important.

One of his

campaign promises this week was to

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move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to

Jerusalem. And acknowledge Jerusalem

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is the capital city. This was a

policy instigated by Congress in

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1996, but it's so explosive that no

US president has ever enacted every

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six months they just ignore it and

sign it. Mr Trump promised to do

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this and has fulfilled on this work

against the advice of all his

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allies, everyone in Nato, Theresa

May, the EU said don't do this, you

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will inflame tensions. He said no,

we've got to do it, it's the right

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thing to do. What a surprise, we've

had tensions. You can see pictures

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in the son of the Israeli flag

burned. Demonstrations at the London

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embassy. One Palestinian protester

shot and killed in these protests. I

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think it'll be a tinderbox for this

outlandish decision.

Mr Trump took

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this decision largely because he

said he would. Whatever people think

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of him as president, he gets reviled

on so many levels, but actually he

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said he would do it and promised his

supporters in the United States he

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would.

He said the same on his

taxation reforms. He is so...

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Pre-election there was talk of him

not following through on these crazy

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ideas. That was the received wisdom.

That isn't what happened, is gone

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for his campaign promises and is

very keen to keep his constituency

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happy. That is ignoring what his

allies and diplomacy and all normal

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forms a baby you expect from the US

president.

State Department and so

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one as well. You mentioned the

business of tax cuts. That seems to

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have gone down very well again with

business generally. Is that an

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important marker for the future do

you think? From America?

I certainly

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think that is Trump's focus, it's

about being able to do business,

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sometimes I think it's about his

businesses being able to do...

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Particularly tax cuts.

They feel

they've lost a lot of business to

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other jurisdictions that have made

the same kind of tax regimes, so

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yeah, you can see why he's doing

that.

Indeed.

This is for his core

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voters, who the reason they went for

Mr Trump over Hillary Clinton was

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because they thought, here is a guy

who says it like it is, a proven do

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he cuts deals, he'll get things

done. Exactly what he's doing. When

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it comes to his election there will

be a lot of outrage and his policies

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that have been discriminatory,

helping big business. To a lot of

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those caught Trump supporters, he

promised to build the wall and has

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built some of it. He promised to

move the embassy. It to put in a

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travel ban and has done that.

He is

a doer of deals.

Jerusalem wasn't a

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deal, it was a unilateral

announcement. I think that is the

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worry, that he's taking no notes.

He

really doesn't carry people with

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him, that's the very distressing

thing about the president.

One story

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we can't avoid, front page of the

daily Mirror, thrills and chills,

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stowing a lot. Observation I would

make it is a bit early for snow

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isn't it? Callum McRae yes. Do you

like snow?

I like to look at it

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rather than be in it.

You won't be

tobogganing down the hill like the

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little girl or boy on the front.

I

don't think we'll see snow in London

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but the rest of the country should

have some fun. I hope it's positive

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for the children. Not fun for the

children who lose electricity.

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Coming up to Christmas I imagine it

is the last thing...

They don't deal

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well with these things.

It's about

having the infrastructure and

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planning to recover, that we know

how to cope with this. It is where

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the testis.

We don't have to cope, I

guaranteed by Monday morning it'll

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be train lines covered in snow,

roads blocked.

As long as it's the

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right kind of snow.

The crunchy kind

of snow you can get your feet into.

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Thank you both very much indeed,

that is it from the papers, you can

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see the front pages of the papers

online at the BBC News website. The

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death seven days a week. -- they are

there seven days a week. If you

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missed the programme any week you

can watch it later on the BBC

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iPlayer. To Helen and is --

Sebastien Buemi goodbye.

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To Helen and Sebastian, thank you.

Goodbye.

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