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My guest on meet the author this

week is historian Norman Davies who

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leaves his usual European territory

to navigate the world in a global

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journey into history.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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Our guests joining me tonight

are the political commentator

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Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson,

political editor

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of the Sunday Mirror.

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The Mail on Sunday reports

that Theresa May had

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to intervene in a stand up row

between the Defence

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and Foreign Secretaries

in the House of Commons

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The Observer leads with a warning

that the EU is under

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pressure NOT to give the UK a better

trade deal than other non-member

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countries get after Brexit.

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The Sunday Express says leading

Brexit supporting MPs want the UK

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to make clear it will walk away

from any trade deal they don't

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think is good enough.

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The Sunday Telegraph goes

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with tensions within the Cabinet

over the meaning of the commitments

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the Prime Minister made to move

the Brexit talks on.

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And the Sunday Mirror reports that

some delivery drivers

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are working 14 hour days,

and earning less

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than the minimum wage.

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Let's dip in to some of those.

Plenty of Brexit to mull over. Take

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us to the Observer, their front page

talking about trade deal talks that

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will follow what emerged in the last

few days.

There's nothing like

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puncturing somebody's party balloon,

is there? What a week, there we were

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on a knife edge, the DUP looking as

if they were going to blow up that

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particular balloon, then everything

goes fine and the Observer have come

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up with an unnamed source, an EU

source close to the talks, who is an

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official. They go on to say, as he

just said in the headlines, we have

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been approached by a number of

nonmember countries expressing

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concerns and making it clear it

would constitute a major problem if

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suddenly the UK were to get better

terms than they got. You can

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understand where they're coming

from, but frankly if this is based

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on one unnamed source, unofficial,

it's not much of a story.

That's

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right. The deals that have been done

with other countries obviously are

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specifically for other countries,

Japan, Australia, New Zealand, the

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one that takes our fancy if we don't

go the Norway route would be Canada.

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At the moment, Canada just goods, so

we would really like a Canada plus,

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so we can have services in there.

That's the most important thing, if

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we don't have services we don't have

much of a deal anyway.

Presumably

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the arguments, as you say, from

those outside is that if we now see

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a better deal being done by someone

else, albeit somebody a very

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different situation geographically

and in recent terms, historically,

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they may want to renegotiate their

own position.

I think that is the

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argument. If you have a country that

wants to join, who is going through

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the slow process of becoming a

member or partial member, or getting

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to the stage of becoming a member,

if they see us coming out looking

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like we've got a jolly good deal,

that might put them off.

The other

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danger is, if it was New Zealand and

we ended up on World Trade

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Organisation rules, we would want a

load of New Zealand's land quota, so

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it may not actually go quite so well

for other countries if we ended up

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in that situation.

Take us to the

Sunday Telegraph, going with Brexit

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as well, this time talking about the

Cabinet truce threatening to

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unravel.

The argument here is that

Michael Gove and Boris Johnson, key

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Brexiteers in Cabinet, were bought

off in the sense of, they would

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support Theresa made's breakthrough

on Friday, on the basis that it

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doesn't actually mean a great deal.

So we had this wonderful alignment

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is nothing about, and according to

the Telegraph, full alignment does

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not mean a thing. No legal basis, we

don't have to care. I think that

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might be a bit of a

misunderstanding. The whole issue of

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the Irish border at the moment, now

described as kicking McCann down the

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road, but what we have actually done

in Scott McCarron in the right part

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the road. The Irish border should

never have been discussed one. --

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what we have done is got the can in

the right part of the road.

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The question really comes down to,

do we follow EU rules as we do now,

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which means we followed the process,

or if Theresa May Sallai, do we

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follow... We don't follow EU rules,

but we arrive at the same

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destination? -- if Theresa May gets

her way. While we are a member of

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the EU, we must take each rule

step-by-step and obey it. The

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argument is probably can get to an

open border by going a different

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route.

Is that you're reading of it?

Pretty much, that was fairly

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comprehensive!

I wasn't quite sure

where the can was at one point, but

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I'm with you otherwise!

Rattling

around the curve in Nigel's head...

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Is it an Irish road? An Irish lane?

It's now a phase two lay-by.

Lovely,

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as long as we're not going up a

cul-de-sac.

The mail on Sunday, I

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think I may have said Boris Johnson

in the intro but I didn't mean it, I

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meant Mr Hammond.

This is lovely.

Never mind Cabinet Brexit truce

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threatens to unravel... This is

Gavin Williams, some may not be

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familiar with him. He is the new

Defence Secretary. He allegedly went

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head-to-head with Philip Hammond and

had a furious bust up in the Commons

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and the Prime Minister had to step

in and say, stop behaving like

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children or cricketers and pull

ourselves together and be sensible.

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Interestingly, political editor of

the mail on Sunday has done a really

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interesting piece on Gavin

Williamson inside, because it's

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quite clear there is a huge loss of

bad blood between the Defence

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Secretary and Philip Hammond, the

Chancellor, who of course was a

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Defence Secretary. Simon Walters has

done this piece where he compares

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Gavin Williamson and he is meteoric

rise -- his meteoric rise to John

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Major under Thatcher. He is asking

the question, a month ago, the idea

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of Gavin Williamson succeeding

Theresa May if she stands down in

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March 2019 would have been dismissed

as a joke. Look at now. He has gone

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from wit, his feet under the MoD,

launched a one-man publicity blitz,

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picked a fight with the Chancellor,

he has saved two military dogs from

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being put down on last week said all

Britons who fought for Isis should

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be killed. He is obviously out there

to get the headlines. I just wonder,

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I know he's a whip...

Or was a whip.

And if you were a whip, you tend to

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make one or two people unhappy along

the way.

And you know where all the

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skeletons are, so you have a bit of

Lethbridge.

I don't think Williamson

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has had a great week. He had a

comeback, suggesting you should

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start shooting IS fighters, wherever

they may be. Saving the two dogs was

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a plus. But he's also now lost his

tarantula, because it turns out it

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contravenes MoD pet policy, and MoD

pet policy is no pets. So the

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tarantula has had to go. His week

has not ended on a high note.

I'm

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afraid it is now so publicly known

that apparently somebody in the

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Treasury refers to him as Pike,

stupid boy.

Everyone in the MoD is

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now referring to him as Private

Pike.

Which the mail on Sunday

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picked up on. With their little

photo of lavender, and John Murray

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of course, who played Frasier. The

Sunday Times. This is fast track

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degrees... Sorry, this is the

Telegraph.

Yes, good idea, this one.

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Comes from Joe Johnson, universities

minister. What he's trying to do is

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reduce the time people need to take

their degrees from three years to

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two. The idea is it will save you a

whole lot of money because you don't

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have to pay extra tuition for the

last year, that's £5,500. You would

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need a maintenance loan for the last

year, what Joe Johnson says is...

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You will also be out earning a year

earlier.

This is the point. He says

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25,000 is what a student will save

by that of sleight of hand because

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19,000 of it is the average wage of

graduate gets in their first year

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away from university.

That's the

assumption that you will learn that

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in your first

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Broadley, not a bad idea. The idea

is it will be available in every

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subject rather than just if you,

like accountancy, Law, journalism,

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and it gives students a chance to

get through it in those two years

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and it would certainly be cheaper.

Actually, there are an awful lot of

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students who are feeling that they

are not getting value for money,

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particularly when you look at the

walloping great salary that so many

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vice chancellors and senior

university staff are getting. Also

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for mature students, before the

family commitments and things, a two

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year commitment, over and done with,

get out early, perhaps much better.

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It makes you wonder why somebody

under that system would still opt to

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do every year.

The way the Joe

Johnson puts it, it's tradition. We

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are so used to the idea that a

university course is three years,

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that people have not thought about

trying to do it in two. Obviously,

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doing it in two means a lot more

hard work, it does cost 20% more a

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year to go and do, but it does seem

sensible if you could make it kind

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of fashionable, it is something that

could work.

And employers would be

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happy as well.

It does come in the

wake of the National Audit Office

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report which says so many degrees,

so many poor quality degrees, have

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left many graduates with very low

earning potential. 11 people who did

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not go to university.

I nearly went

to the Sunday Times early but I will

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go there now. This is civil

partnerships to go straight, this is

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effectively mooted for a while?

Exactly, it's a campaign that

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heterosexual couples have been

campaigning for, to bring them in

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line with homosexual couples,

because people who don't necessarily

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want to get married, heterosexual

couples, up till now can't do it.

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This is now a Private bill setting

out the changes to bring everything

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into alignment, quite why they

didn't do it in the first place,

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Lord alone knows. It does seem as

though it has good backing, and it

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is as we say something that has been

long campaigned for. It would also

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help stabilise families. It would

give people who live together who

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previously had not wanted to get

married, it would actually put them

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on a more equal footing and would

make life a lot easier in terms of

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pensions and wills and things like

that.

It's also a matter of

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equality.

Illegal case.

Broadly, the

reason heterosexual couples could

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not have this is because it was

reserved exclusively for same-sex

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couples, on the basis that same-sex

couples could not get married. Now

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they can, both things should be

available to all.

Doubters, there is

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one quoted, Andrew Williams might

it's not helpful, making do with a

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very pale reflection of marriage.

They may well think that the people

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living together with no protection

in law as an even worse reflection,

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and as Nigel says, it's not equal.

Should we finish with Christmas

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themed photograph?

Let's!

I think

this was your choice.

Actually, my

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choice was a scantily clad man

getting out of the sea...

Maybe when

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it's a bit later, after the

watershed! The Sunday Telegraph has

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a photograph of the Prime Minister,

with a Christmas tree, and a

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hilarious little tag line, special

Branch.

Very good.

There she is,

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putting what apparently...

It's an

ornamental stiletto. It is the tree

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she devoted herself, apparently, to

her local church. I must say, it's

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actually a very nice photograph.

It

is, actually.

Whatever you think

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about code politicians, they do work

very hard. You know perfectly well

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she's not had a minute to herself,

and I think it's very nice

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photograph.

And she's smiling a lot,

but then you would, wouldn't you?

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She has seen her premiership

survival of the last minute. Could

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have been very different.

And it may

change by Monday.

That's politics.

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Even in an hour's time it may.

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That's it for The Papers this hour.

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Thank you Jo and Nigel,

you'll both be back at half 11

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for another look at the stories

making the news tomorrow.

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Coming up next, it's

Meet The Author.

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