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Now on BBC News, The Papers.
Hello and welcome to our look ahead
to what the the papers will be
bringing us tomorrow.
With me are David Wooding, political
editor of the Sun on Sunday.
And journalist and
broadcaster Penny Smith.
Welcome to you both. Let's start by
showing the front pages.
Welcome to you both. Let's start by
showing the front pages.
The Mail on Sunday reports
that Theresa May had
to intervene in a stand up row
between the Defence Secretary
and the Chancellor in the House of
The Observer leads with a warning
that the EU is under pressure NOT
to give the UK a better trade deal
than other non-member
countries get after Brexit.
The Sunday Express says leading
Brexit supporting Mps want the UK
to make clear it will walk away
from any trade deal they don't
think is good enough.
The Sunday Telegraph goes
with tensions within the Cabinet
over the meaning of the commitments
the Prime Minister made to move
the Brexit talks on.
And the Sunday Mirror reports that
some delivery drivers
are working 14 hour days,
it claims they're earning less
than the minimum wage.
Let's kick off Brexit as so often
dominating the front pages. The
Observer has a new blow for Theresa
May as the EU gets tough over trade
deal. The focus moving onto phase
two now that they've won it out of
The next thing is what we
do in terms of the future
relationship with the EU but also
trade. That is the big one, the
Goldman prize of getting a deal for
trade with the EU. And reaching out
globally to other countries. The
Observer Splash is telling us the
other countries, those we are
reaching out to two trade with, they
are saying to the EU "If you are
going to give a special deal with
the UK, what about us? We would
frown upon it if you give special
trade relationship with the UK after
they leave the EU. I would argue we
do have a special relationship with
the EU because we've been a member
for so many years.
And all our goods
and so on are standardised to EU
Their regulations and
the various laws they have about the
That should make a trade
deal on some days easier.
have tariffs on what is the bigger
issue. Lord Carr, the format
diplomat who drafted Article 50 say
the chances of getting a useful deal
That's not good either. We
could always go down the Norway
route. The Brexiteers do not want
that but there is a comment on the
Observer where there is a pro-Brexit
person who says very annoyed at the
how much has been seeded to Brussels
in the first round of the
negotiations and one prominent Tory
saying we are worried. One large
part says that, this is a divorce.
In a divorce there is give-and-take.
You can't say, we put all the money
in, I put all the money and so I
will have the house for the children
are living with you, I'm not giving
you all the money. And the other
person says "I gave up my job for
you, I'm looking after the children,
often the garden", it is
give-and-take, it split.
But in a
way that is what we have seen? With
the deal Theresa May has done?
That's what I'm saying. The
Brexiteers saying we have ceded it,
what did you expect did you expect
to all the staff were not give
anything about the way, you're
having the children and taking them.
Boris Johnson was saying the
eco-could go whistle if it wanted
tens of billions and that's been
the former Environment Secretary in
our piece says if they don't give us
the deal we should say they can't
have the money, nothing is agreed
until it's all agreed. It will be a
You have to think
about how it is in vitro, again like
a divorce, you have to look down the
line, the reason you're handing over
the money is because down the line
you won't be paying anything to it.
Or a very small amount.
Telegraph still on Brexit has
Cabinet Brexit truce threatens to
unravel. Why? This is about
A lot of people think that
the riders were expressed Brexit
That was a bit of a
And it had to be a bit of a bug -- a
-- a bit of a fudge. Someone has
allegedly said that from Downing
Street full alignment from the EU
regulations was meaningless and not
legally binding within EU law. In
other words, this is all just words.
Empty, meaningless word.
important words in the sense that
they did secure that fudged
agreement which moves us onto the
And we have to accept
that these talks about trade, there
has a lot of all the papers today
about how it probably won't be
sorted out, for five years that's
how much it takes. I think there
will probably be a lot of people who
feel they are spending far too much
time and far too many column inches
talking about Brexit have really big
problems we need to get sorted out
in this country. We were talking
earlier on about social mobility,
education, housing, health. So many
other things and they are getting
pushed off the front page. Those are
the things that affect people's
lives so much more than this.
is going to be central to the
economy for decades or even
centuries to come.
Of course. And we
know they are desperate for cash,
clawing back taxes left right and
centre to fund all this. But other
people's lives are going on and they
are trying to make ends meet.
not just the coverage, it's the time
all being focused on Brexit and it's
very difficult to focus on anything
else. You would focus on Brexit as
the PM because it's the biggest
thing to get right. There is little
time to do those other.
In terms of
the timescale, people are saying
it's unlikely that that agreement
can be ranged by 2019.
other thing, the time. We said they
couldn't do it by last Friday and
they did it.
In a sense, some
observers said it was an easy part.
These trade talks are difficult to
work out. I don't know how we will
cover it in the media because it is
tedious and deep in detail.
about services as well. The service
industry, we forget how big that is.
How difficult that is going to be.
Goods is one thing. This is another.
We all thought she had won a big war
on Friday, but all we've done is the
right to enter the first
On Theresa May, at one
stage after the election it look
like she could even not survive a
few more days, she still around. She
has got this success, victory if you
want to call it, a breakthrough.
She's done quite well? A colleague
of mine, I think this is a bit
optimistic, was liking her to Alex
Ferguson, the first three years of
his charge of Manchester United were
hopeless and they were nothing. He
was about to be sacked and then they
scored this last-minute goal against
Forest in the FA Cup, and went on to
great things. She could turn this
around and become Prime Minister
again but that's a long shot?
are other people of course,
mutterings about people who were
were a bit stronger and charismatic
might have done it. That's the
trouble. Unless we have a parallel
universe, how can we tell quicker
than we have an extraordinary story
in the Mail on Sunday, claiming
there was pretty much a bust up in
the House of Commons.
was almost like the referee was
separating the two prizefighters
slugging it out.
This is Philip
Hammond, aged 62.
In one corner.
then Gavin Williamson, aged 41, in
the defence corner. And essentially,
they are just being a bit naughty.
My mum would say, bash your heads
together, not that she ever did, but
that is what it is.
happened? According to one MP, the
Defence Secretary went for Philip
Hammond's throat. That sounds... Do
you believe that?
There is a bit of
a history, he's not been Defence
Secretary for more than a few weeks
can make you may remember that Gavin
Williamson was the Chief Whip and
was quite an effective Chief Whip
because there was not a single
rebellion while he was Chief Whip.
He was made Defence Secretary and
then immediately comes up with big
mouths of what I bolster the defence
cuts, Philip Hammond then sneeringly
saying when he understands the
He likened him to a
character from Dubs Army.
-- Dad's Army.
Not taking on foreign
trips because we need to preserve
resources, there is a tit-for-tat
war going on between them, and the
one thing is that Gavin Williamson
is seen as an outsider for the
Conservative leader. He's gone into
the job and people think he may
succeed Theresa May. Like John Major
came from nowhere to be Michael
Heseltine some of the favourite at
And the Mail actually have
a profile on page five, the outsider
with his sides zeroed in on number
ten. Penny, do you think he could be
This thing is at the
moment don't think most of us who
are not steeped in politics know
enough about him to know whether or
not. You are saying there were no
rebellion when he was too wet and at
the centre is
when he was Chief Whip.
He keeps a
But those lovely.
a bit of venom around anywhere.
if some of that is true, it shows
Theresa May does have a lot of
warring parties in her Cabinet that
she has two, whether is literally
all physically, separate. Or bring
There's a personality
The other side is that
politics has become very anodyne,
the days when you actually could
clearly tell the difference between
one and another, you could seriously
tell someone was left-wing all
right-wing, possibly by the way they
wore their clothes or what they
chose to drink or whether they chose
smoke. Now it's all become a little
Even with Jeremy
That's what I'm saying, up
until now. I think the political
landscape is changing.
colourful, in a sense?
In some ways
that is no bad thing, we needed to
get people involved in politics
because it affects us all.
He so you
quite like to see Cabinet ministers
with their hands on other Cabinet
We don't how close they got but it's
good that they are committed and
The Telegraph have fast
track degree. The idea you might be
a two year or rather than three.
This is about making it quicker and
cheaper for people who want to do a
degree but then won three years,
it's to £11,000 a year for a
two-year degree, saving you five and
a half thousand pounds because you
do two years not treat you get a job
quicker with the average starting
salary for it to telling the latter
is £19,000. Jo Johnson says this
will cost, save £20,000.
for mature students, people who are
poorer and busy Christmas holidays
and summer holidays will have to be
sure and it comes on the back of the
National Audit Office last week
saying some degrees were not fit for
purpose and people were going in
paying a lot of money and coming up
with less prospect of your
prospects. -- fewer prospects.
Sunday Times, civil partnerships to
go straight, heterosexuals in civil
Good idea. You don't
have to go to a church and makes out
if you don't believe in that sort of
thing. You therefore have rights. At
the moment were lots of people think
there is a common-law marriage,
there isn't and you have no right.
This confers rights without having
It makes sense?
some argument when it was introduced
for gay people that heterosexuals
should have it as well and now that
the gay people have got married,
equal marriage, this is a level
into the Christmas, fast of spirit
because there is our Prime Minister
and putting the decorations in the
tree in Maidenhead, her
constituency. This is a bit of a
It's a stiletto
because we know she likes those
shoes. Whatever you want to do. Why
is she wearing a proper Christmas
jumper or something bright was
whether it's a gloomy picture. A
nice bright jumper, a pink cardigan
like me or get really good jumpers
with lit up bits.
Does that show
little sense of having a stiletto
grip now, she's always talked about
I once asked how many pairs
of shoes she had doing an interview
and select me sternly and said not
enough. I know she's got lots of
I wonder if she used this
stiletto to separate those two
Cabinet minister. It might be a
The used to talk
about Margaret Thatcher and
handbagging, a stiletto is also a
Don't give the Prime Minister
ideas. That's finished off with a
bracing picture on the Sunday Times
and it is snowing across a lot of
the country, it is very chilly.
Someone didn't check the forecast.
Or maybe they did because they swim
in these places. He looks quite fit,
doesn't he? Helix that the sort of
person that could dive into ice.
wonder if you just happen to be
swimming and a photographer takes a
picture, and you find is plastered
over the front pages next morning.
It must be a bit of a shock.
makes me shiver just look at that
picture. Having come through this
road this morning and then to see
They are now cutting the odds
on a white Christmas but we have
been swotting up on a white
Christmas. A white Christmas, if a
snowflake falls on Christmas Day,
anywhere in the UK. One snowflake.
But obviously anywhere.
about seven or eight on your jumper.
Hopefully they won't drop off in the
machine next to my wash it. In all
areas where the Met office have a
measuring unit. This is what we were
doing, 1138 times in the past 54
years with one snowflake but able
but white Christmas, blankets
snowing, has only happened four
Times in 51 years. Do you remember
any? I do. But I'm coming up to
goodness knows how many decades on
Does it mean a lot to have a
white Christmas's it
for the kids --
for the kids but we
for the kids --
for the kids
but we are screwed.
-- we are Scrooge.
Bah humbug. Merry
Christmas if I don't see you, that
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