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Copenhagen. I wonder what she will

do with it. Give it to someone for

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Christmas? Or keep it. Why not?

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That's all the sport for now.

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Now on BBC News, here's

Ben with The Papers.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what The Papers will be

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bringing us.

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With me are Katy Balls,

of the Spectator, and journalist

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and broadcaster Shyama Perera.

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Thank you very much for coming in.

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First, let's have a look

at today's front pages.

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The Observer leads on Brexit,

and warnings from Tory

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peers that they will vote

against the Government in Parliament

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if the Prime Minister tries to bully

them into supporting an extreme

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version of leaving the EU.

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The Sunday Telegraph's front

page features an article

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by the Prime Minister with a quote,

"I've proved doubters wrong."

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And another of its stories

highlights changes

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to company pensions

and new government plans

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to reduce the automatic

enrolment age from 22 to 18.

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In the Sunday Times,

as well as their lead

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on Boris Johnson's warning

on Brexit, there's

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a story on tuition fees,

with the former Universities

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Minister, David Willetts,

saying he wants an urgent government

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review to scrap high interest rates

on loan repayments.

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Theresa May writes

in the Sunday Express,

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saying she will not be derailed

from her duty to deliver the

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public's decision to leave the EU.

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The Mail on Sunday claims left-wing

trolls sent abuse to the pregnant

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wife of a Tory MP after he heckled

Jeremy Corbyn over his age.

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Let us start with the Sunday

Telegraph, the Prime Minister, Katy,

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I have proved the doubters wrong, in

she has. The doubters after the

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election said she could only survive

a few days. Here she still is is.

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Her victory comment piece after she

has basically made it to Christmas,

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touch wood, and after she was

granted sufficient progress to move

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on to the second stage of the Brexit

talks, this is her saying, I have

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got through it, got through the

first part of the negotiations,

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everyone thought I would be gone.

She also says, amid all the noise,

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we are getting on with the job. Some

of that noise has been brought by

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herself and the Cabinet.

Yes!

Still

a correct statement, they are making

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progress. A lot of people would not

have gambled she would be here, she

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does look in a stronger position, I

think, than a few weeks ago.

Despite

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the Commons defeat the other day,

Shyama, at the hands of rebel MPs,

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it has on the whole been a good few

days.

Absolutely. She responded by

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saying, we will not be derailed from

this fundamental duty to delivered

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the democratic will of the British

people. It is obviously not being

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derailed if people are saying we

should get a view. But it is a very

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robust statement from the Prime

Minister in the Sunday Telegraph.

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For whoever is reading it, I guess

they will be reassured.

Whenever the

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Prime Minister writes in a Sunday

paper, so too it seems startled

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Foreign Secretary, arguably on

manoeuvres again. -- it seems does

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the Foreign Secretary.

Always fully

supportive, backing up her vision!

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Boris getting in ahead. This week is

when the Cabinet for the first time

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will start talking about what

Britain's end relationship with the

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EU should be. Ahead of that meeting,

Boris has decided to tell the Sunday

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Times what he thinks the vision

should be. I am not sure Theresa May

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will thank him. The idea being we

should diverged from the EU rules.

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This will be 2018's discussion! Not

the juiciest topic. Breaking free

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from Ray meat regulations, but it

has risks -- from regulations.

To

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what extent should we be aligned

with the EU?

It is an interesting

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exercise, the whole Brexit

negotiation, in how diplomacy works

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because we are seeing it on the

front pages every day, the changing

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of the single word suddenly creating

a new way of looking at something or

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somehow calming those who are

getting into... Creating a new way

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of looking at the same old, same

old. When it said Boris, I read it

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as Wassle state, Christmas

statement...

He does tend to have

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you reaching for your dictionary!

His criticism of Jeremy Corbyn did

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not quite work, hopefully will be

more successful. I have forgotten

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what the definition of mugglewump

was. The Observer, call off the

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Brexit bullies, the Commons defeat

the other day, the whips were

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accused of being a little

overzealous in their whipping to the

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extent they may have been bullying.

Absolutely. We note the 11

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dissenters have all received death

threats and allsorts of unpleasant

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things. This is two Tory peers also

writing in the Observer, so I do not

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know if Mrs May and Boris and the

Observer and the two baroness as

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were hoping they would get a

newspaper to edit when they leave,

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but they are writing that the

resulting appalling insult from

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Brexiteers calls for the expulsion

from the party and even death

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threats are worrying symptoms of the

toxic atmosphere which has been

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created in our country. Harriet

Harman will be introducing it in the

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Commons tomorrow. She will be

calling for some action to be taken.

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The question is, what and how?

That

is the modern atmosphere in which

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politics is played out, not only the

whips, but social media, in a sense,

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and some of the very virulent

attacks politicians now are on the

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end of.

Yeah, not only in this

story, in the story on the front of

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the mail on Sunday, abuse from

Jeremy Corbyn supporters... This is

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not the majority of people and the

majority of people are not online

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trolls but there is a space for them

and there is this vitriol which you

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do not see or it used to be a letter

to the MP that they were not shown.

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Now they are confronted with it

constantly. It is tricky what the

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Labour leadership, what the

Government can do. But they can send

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a clear message it is not OK which

is what they are asking Theresa May

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to do.

It is terrifying that it

comes into your personal space, that

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is the difference, your phone is

attached to your body, almost. If

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you look on social media and the on

Twitter receiving horrible threats,

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it feels like someone is right in

your face, that is the difference.

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If you are politician, you cannot

cut yourself off from social media,

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ignore it, say, I am not to be on

Twitter. Then you will be accused of

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being behind on social media which

the Conservatives are already

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accused. Nigel Farage, Shyama, still

sort of on Brexit, claiming he is

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skint. Poor Nigel. No money in

politics.

He is going slightly off

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the Brexit theme, he says he has

separated and is skint at 53. After

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24 years, he is really not earning

enough from politics. Of course, we

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forget he has been an MEP. We forgot

all about MEPs until Nigel Farage

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started asking for us to leave

Europe. I think this is a story

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about a man on the brink of divorce.

Therefore, he is utterly panicked

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because he will have to hand over

half of his doings to his Mrs. It

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says he has a 4 million sperm town

house. Let us say in London at the

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moment prices are so down, no matter

what the papers say, it will only go

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for 3 million, so Nigel will only

get 1.5 million, and by those

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standards, he probably is skint,

quite frankly.

Are you feeling

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sorry, is your heart bleeding for

Nigel Farage?

He also played a role

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in losing one of his jobs because it

is hard to see how he will continue

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as an MEP, so maybe he needs to have

a think about that.

He gave himself

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the warnings and sacked himself!

An

interesting story today about

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teenagers and whether they should be

saving in pension schemes from their

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first day at work, the idea of

reducing that age from 22 to 18.

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Some 18-year-olds will be saying,

why do I need to think about a

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pension?

I think this is great news

because it is one of those things

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were although you probably do not

think you should be saving for your

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pension, if it comes out before you

get paid, you do not really notice,

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that is how I have found with this

and my student loan. It is quite

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terrifying when you think about it,

by the time I get to the age of

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retiring, I will not hazard a guess

at what age that will be, there will

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be... The state pension, you do not

know what it will be. Whenever I

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speak to my friends, I asked them

what kind of... Great chat at a

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party! Percentage of the salary, the

1%, if your employer will matched

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that, the best thing to be doing.

Is

that what you talk about at parties?

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Sometimes I am alone in the corner,

weird. Is there a problem getting

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younger people to save?

They have

very little money left in their pay

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packet to say. I have two adult

daughters a little bit younger than

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Katy and they are in the jobs market

and they can barely make ends meet

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with paying student loans, Masters

loans, bits and bobs. This is a

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brilliant thing to do. Even from our

age group, when I was there age, I

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was earning enough and I imagined

that was absolutely... The state

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pension would be more than enough to

maintain the lifestyle I had. You

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forget as you get older, you have

children, homes, other things, which

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as a pensioner, you still need to

maintain. Let us get them all saving

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as much as is humanly possible.

We

had the rental memorial service at

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St Paul's, very moving, six months

on from the terrible disaster -- the

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Grenfell memorial service. Steve

McQueen is going to make a film

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tribute to the victims of Grenfell

Tower.

It is going to involve a

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helicopter going over the building,

starting this week, while at his

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there, taking footage. They are

saying it will be exhibited but not

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further two years, part of the

reason being, still an inquiry

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ongoing and all of their residence

in the area have been notified

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because obviously it is such a

sensitive issue and will be four

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years to come.

Do you think it is

worth more memorial, Shyama?

I do. I

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think it is wonderful Steve McQueen

is funding it himself which says an

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awful lot, a white City buy, from

just down the road, we are both

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within spitting distance, you are

closer than me, Katy, and it is

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wonderful to know it will live on in

some way.

Let us go on to the

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Telegraph, a story about Amazon,

questions about whether they can

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deliver their parcels on time,

really.

Amazon Prime, it is supposed

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to be the super fast delivery

option, you pay a premium.

You pay a

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bit extra.

Lots of people ordering

stuff in time for Christmas, missing

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the deadline. The good news is

Christmas... I have not started

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Christmas shopping yet.

Nor have I!

As you get closer, if people are

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going to make the deadline, there is

an inquiry going, but people will

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not shop with them.

I am a member of

Amazon Prime.

It is quite expensive.

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£79 a year and it promises delivery

within two days.

When it works, it

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really does work. You can do

something and have it delivered the

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same day if you order early enough,

if you think of it as a saving of

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your own time, even if you any

charge yourself the minimum wage,

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£79 is a day off work, isn't it? It

saves you so much because you do not

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need to use your own time. But it is

not working.

We should go back to

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traditional shopping perhaps.

If you

want to be sure, go and buy it

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yourself.

Go into a shop.

What kind

of concept is that? Let us end with

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Strictly, we started with Brexit,

ending with Strictly, the winner,

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the start of Holby City, Joe

McFadden. Are you a fan?

I am not.

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From what I can tell, I had it on

the television last night, I did see

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a bit...

You had it on but you were

not watching?

Two screams. He looked

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very surprised. A good sign, it is

not just about whether you are a fan

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favourite in terms of how popular

you are before you do it, not the

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best dancer...

I watch it

vicariously through Goggle Box.

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Brexit to Strictly, you said as if

it was a non sequitur, but if

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Theresa May and the Cabinet could

get but she and right, put on the

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right costumes, Brexit would happen

more easily. There is a lot to be

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learned for choosing the moment, the

rhythm, the steps.

I am loving the

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analogy!

It is all about intelligent

thinking.

I have a vision of Theresa

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May and Jean-Claude Juncker on

Strictly together.

Wonderful.

What

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would they dance?

The tanker.

Something slinky.

Theresa and Boris.

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Fiery!

The oldest winner, 42, the

oldest winner of Strictly.

That

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sounds quite young.

It does to me.

Debbie McGee, 59, one of the

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finalists, she has really been

showing her stripes. She has

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actually been showing everything!

She has been brilliant. It has been

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a really good year for the oldies.

I

cannot believe you said... You

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hinted he might be 59! I could not

believe that is true. So good to

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have you with us. Thank you, Shyama

and Katy. That is it from The

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Papers. We take a look at tomorrow's

front pages every evening on BBC

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News, at 10:40pm. Goodbye to my

guests.

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