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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

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to what the papers will be

bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are the author

and journalist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown

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and Ruth Lea, economic advisor

at Arbuthnot Banking Group.

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First, a look at all front pages

that will greet us tomorrow.

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The Metro leads with

a picture of Rebecca Dykes,

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the British Embassy worker

who has been found dead

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at the side of a road in Beirut.

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The Financial Times says that

millennials and gig economy workers

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have been left behind

by pension reforms.

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The Daily Express has a warning

of wild winds for Christmas,

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saying that 70 mph storm chaos

is on the way.

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As with many

of tomorrow's front pages,

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the Telegraph also carries

a picture of Rebecca Dykes,

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as well as a message

from the UK Government

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that the Saudis

"must stop starving Yemen".

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The Times say the Tories are urging

Theresa May to stay on as PM

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over fears that a leadership

election would wreck

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post-Brexit trade talks.

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The Guardian reports

that Tory backbenchers

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are calling for

a cross-party alliance,

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saying that Labour are the key

to securing a soft Brexit.

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The Mirror also leads with the news

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that a British embassy worker

has been killed in Beirut.

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Are so let's begin with the

Guardian, that story that Labour

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holds the key to a soft Brexit,

according to Tory backbenchers.

Of

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course, we don't know which rebels

have been talking to Gavin Barwell,

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but it seems that some of them have

been going to him and saying, look,

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we should have a deal with some of

the Labour Party, have a cross-party

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alliance to come up with some sort

of soft Brexit compromise. I think

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the chances of this are absolutely

zero, I cannot see for one second,

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one ns, that Theresa May would agree

to a cross-party alliance with the

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Labour Party, absolutely

unbelievable. I do wonder what is

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going through the minds of rebels

now, fair enough, they won the vote

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last week, they can have the vote on

the framework deal at the end of

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2018, but what happens if they then

say, we don't really like this deal,

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whatever it may be, let's vote

against it, what is the alternative

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I would like to ask Dominic Grieve,

Anna Soubry. The alternative would

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be, presumably, falling out of the

EU in March 2019 with no deal at

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all.

No, that is not what it means,

and I think it is so wrong to

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present it in this binary way, and

to ridicule some very, very, very

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real, authentic, sincere,

intelligent people. It wasn't easy

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for those 11 people to do what they

did last week, hang on, let me

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finish. It is not as if there is

only one way that this can happen.

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This is the biggest thing this

country is going to go through. Even

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you, with your very strong views,

and me, with my very strong views,

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have to realise that between several

positions there is a sea

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possibilities.

Could I ask a

question, please? What if the rebels

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vote against any deal agreed with

the EU? What will happen? Yasmin,

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what will happen...

I'm trying to

answer your question.

You are not

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answering.

You keep interrupting me.

There isn't a deal...

Just a moment,

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Ruth!

You can't do this, I need to

speak. Barnier has just said,

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actually, he has cast doubt on

whether the Government should we

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allow the flexibility that we

thought she had got, they cannot

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cherry-pick, he says. Like I said,

there is a range of possibilities.

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We cannot carry on. I thought you

had more sense than Johnson and the

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Rees-Mogg, Ruth. Twice before I

bring you back in, let's address

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this idea of reaching

out, do you

think there is a coalition to be

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formed?

In a way, the Labour Party

has got away with things for a long

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time, they are as divided as the

Tories, but they do not have the

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loony wing that the Tories seem to

have produced in people like

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Rees-Mogg. But they are as divided,

they are as many Labour MPs who are

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for as against, so a coalition of

people who, in my view, and it is my

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view, who have a more sensible,

softer approach to Brexit would be a

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good thing.

Two things, Theresa May

would not agree to that, and you

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have not answered my question - what

happens if the rebels vote against

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the deal agreed between the EU and

the British governance?

I do not

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accept it is agreed yet.

Hypothetically, what happens if they

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vote against any agreed deal?

We

keep talking.

We keep talking!

We

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keep talking.

Keep talking!

This is

not like an election, this is our

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destiny for the next hundred years,

that is not about you, it is about

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the children and grandchildren.

Britain has been incredibly good at

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compromising, not taking hard lines.

I am not taking hard lines. I am

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just saying, what do these people do

if they vote no?

I trust them to do

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the right thing, that is my answer.

One of the issues here, Michel

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Barnier has given an interview to

Prospect magazine, some references

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to the fact that he has said there

will be no cherry-pick in, they are

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taking a pretty hard line position,

saying, we will not give you a bus

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broke deal, what you make of that?

In the words of Mandy Rice-Davies,

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he would say that, wouldn't he?

Grow

up!

He is a negotiator, and if you

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are a negotiator, you put your

position here, the other puts his

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position there, and then you

negotiate.

So there is a bespoke

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deal to be found?

I have every faith

in this government and the EU, which

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Yasmin so adores.

I do, I do.

I have

every sense that they will see there

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is a beneficial deal to be hard.

Beneficial, beneficial...

The way we

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have behaved until very recently,

and I have to give credit to Theresa

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May, and she has spoken language

which is conciliatory, but these mad

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Brexiters will not let that happen.

Every time... The Florence speech

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was a good speech.

It was, I agree.

Goodness me!

But look what happened

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next, all these extremists

Brexiters, there is no deal good

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enough.

She is in charge, I have

every confidence...

Look at Boris!

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We have to move on from Brexit, but

before we do, we have members of the

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Cabinet meeting tomorrow, Tuesday is

a full cabinet meeting, Yasmin, what

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do you think they will set out as

their vision for this next phase of

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the negotiations?

I don't know,

because I think the Government

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itself is so divided. There are so

many people in that cabinet to have

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a completely different vision from

the way Theresa May has been

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talking. I don't know. I think they

could get their own house in order,

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we might begin to understand.

They

are moving towards it, because

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Philip Hammond, who was always keen

on the transition agreement, which

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is going to happen, he is moving

more and more to the idea of a bus

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broke deal, and if you have got

Philip Hammond and David Davis and

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Boris Johnson, those three in

particular on the same side, that is

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excellent news, and it seems as

though they are coalescing around

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that there.

Boris is not, he is

taking off again, as ever.

We have

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had a good go at coalescing on

Brexit, but let's move on to the

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Financial Times, we are going to

start with IKEA, and other EU story

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in a way, but more specific, to do

with a crackdown on corporate tax

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avoidance, they are in the firing

line.

Which is extraordinary, like

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all these other internet giants and

so on, they have got their very

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clever ways of what is not a

strictly illegal tax avoidance, and

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I am pleased that the EU is coming

down on these things that have been

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going on for such a long time. One

of the reasons, I think, so many

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people across Europe and the West

are so troubled at the moment is

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that they don't feel the world is

fair, and something has got to be

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done, and I am glad they are doing

something about it. Will I go to

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idea? I have a quandary!

We are

going to whizz on, there is a story

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in the FT I want you to talk about,

millennials and the deep economy,

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young people, particularly

self-employed people, people with

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several jobs, the zoo of pensions

and whether we are saving enough.

I

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suspect we are not, and I take the

view that anyone who is

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self-employed will not be included

in auto enrolment.

This is new auto

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enrolment for younger people.

And

also, they're going to put up the

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levels at which people contribute.

So I take the point, but the FT, I

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must make the point that this is a

step in the right direction towards

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people saving more for their old

age, which will needs to happen, as

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we have got an ageing population,

the ever more burdensome on

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taxpayers, the generation of

taxpayers coming up.

Startling

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facts, around 38% of the working age

population, the Government, under

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saving for their retirement.

But it

is not just that they'll

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self-employed, the gig economy, the

money they earn is so low, most of

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them, so saving is not an option,

especially if you are living in

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cities like London.

The cost of

living is so high.

The Daily

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Telegraph, Yasmin, let's start with

this story, this picture of Rebecca

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Dykes on the front of several of the

papers, this apparent murder in

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Beirut, very upsetting story.

It is,

just before Christmas, she was just

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about to come home for Christmas,

and she is on the front page of

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virtually every paper, quite

rightly, I think. But yes, we don't

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know more than that, but apparently

so far it seems to indicate murder -

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and other stuff, which I just feel

so bad for the family.

Apparently

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strangled and found on the motorway,

and she worked for the Department

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for International Development out of

the embassy, tragic, what can you

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say? We have no idea who has done

it, who knows?

Very much the

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beginning of that reporting on that,

isn't it? And Yasmin, to end, we

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will look at the Telegraph's lead

story, Saudis must stop starving

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Yemen.

This is interesting, that the

Daily Telegraph is running this,

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because we have been allies of this

vile regime for the longest time,

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and the way it treats its own

population is something that we talk

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about, but really interesting that

we have now got the Telegraph and

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the International Development

Secretary saying, stop doing what

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you are doing in Yemen. Some of our

arms are being sold to Saudi Arabia.

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Children are starving, getting

diseases we thought had been wiped

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out. Man-made horror like this,

actually, we avoided looking at this

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story for a long time, so I am

impressed, actually, that the

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Telegraph has run it.

I agree, they

could be breaking international law

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by blockading people, starving them

of international aid. I totally

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agree with Yasmin, this is an

horrendous civil war going on in the

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Yemen, part of the overall conflict

between Saudi Arabia and Iran to

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sort of control the Middle East. The

Sunni-Shia conflict. Unfortunately

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for the two people of Yemen, they

just happen to be in the front line

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of horror. -- poor people of Yemen.

It is time that people started

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speaking out against Saudi Arabia,

everybody has been sucking up to

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them for reasons that we although.

Plenty of food for thought, we must

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leave it, time is tight.

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That's it for The Papers this hour.

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Yasmin and Ruth will

be back at 11:30.

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Don't forget all the front pages

are online on the BBC News website

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where you can read a detailed review

of the papers.

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It's all there for you

seven days a week,

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and you can see us there too,

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with each night's edition

of The Papers being posted

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on the page shortly

after we've finished.

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Thank you, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown

and Ruth Lea.

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They have behaved themselves

impeccably, just about! Comeback in

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an hour to see if they are still

fighting!

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