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Hello and welcome to the lookahead

to what the papers will be bringing

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us. Let's start with a look at the

front pages. The Metro leader with a

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picture of Rebecca Dykes, the

British embassy worker found dead on

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the side of the road in Beirut. The

Financial Times said millennial is

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an gig economy workers have been

left behind by pension reforms. The

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Daily Express looks at a warning of

wild winds for Christmas, saying 70

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mph storm chaos is on the way. As

with many of the papers, the

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Telegraph taking a picture of

Rebecca Dykes as well as a message

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from the UK government that the

Saudis must stop starving Yemen 's.

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In the Times, the Tories urging

Theresa May to stay on over fears a

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leadership election would wreck post

Brexited trade talks. -- Brexit. And

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across party allies being called

saying Labour are the key to

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securing a soft Brexit. In the

mirror, news that a British embassy

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worker has been killed in Beirut.

And the Daily Mail lead with what it

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is calling middle-class pension

crisis with more than 6 million

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failing to save enough for their

retirement. Let us dealt in. You can

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start us off on the times. Time to

think about Brexit...

There's a

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change. This is more about the

leadership which confuses me because

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I think Mrs May surprised everybody

in the last few weeks and has done

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extremely competently so I do not

know where this leadership contest

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comes from. It seems to me the paper

is making up an agenda. Even mobbed

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is not think it is a good idea. --

Mogg. The timing is interesting. The

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election has to be in 2022 and much

of this mess created by Brexiters

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will have to be sorted before then.

I can see why people are beginning

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to think because she herself has

said at some point she wants to see

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this thing through and then the Mac

but I think it is such a wrong

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moment to be talking about Tory

leadership contest. The people in

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this country are really trouble,

divided parties, don't really know

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where we want to go and the idea of

another leadership contest does not

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help the country feel at ease.

It is

fair to say, in recent months will,

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there have been mutterings that

somebody else is needed at the helm.

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The story down saying that she must

stay because if she goes the

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uncertainty and change in leadership

would be disastrous for Brexit

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talks.

Even a fortnight ago the

knives were out after the problems

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with the DUP deal but commonsense

has broken out in the Conservative

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Party and she pulled off a terrific

agreement with the European Union

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and there was the European summit

and they agreed that significant

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process has been made and they can

move on to stage two and that is a

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terrific accolade for Theresa May.

If you think the timing, because

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round two, the second phase of

negotiations will start in the new

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year where there would be an

agreement on the transition

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agreement and some agreement on the

framework of the new trade

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relationship with the EU but, after

Brexit, in the 29th of March, 20,019

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we have to organise the trade

deal...

And the transition period...

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Can I finish, please. We have a

transition period so the trade deal

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can be finalised and it cannot be

finalised until we are a third

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country in any case. We are talking

about the spring of 2021 before we

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get through the transition agreement

and hopefully the detailed trade

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agreement will come into operation

so you are talking 2.5...

But there

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is an interesting paragraph at the

end in the Times, the timetable is

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likely to dismay those in Parliament

to believe the best chance of

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securing the top job lies in an

early contest and David Davis and

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Boris Johnson a mention.

It is

guesswork. Those two names come

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quite closely after some comments

from Michelle Barnier, the EU chief

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negotiator, about cherry picking the

best Brexit. David Davis and Boris

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Johnson would disagree with that and

they would come at loggerheads...

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Some people say I do not understand

why this man gets any presence at

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all but there you are, he belongs in

a sort of costume drama but he said

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something, like, you are not going

to give away all of these and Boris

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Johnson has said Suckling but this

is one of the problems in the Tory

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party, these endless struggle that

goes on and not just over Brexit. It

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never seems to settle.

As far as I

can see, the Cabinet talks, they

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will meet next week...

Is everybody

going to fall into line?

The rugged

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site that the subcommittee has some

sort of coming together of the view.

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And the negotiator for the EU would

say that. David Davis, Theresa May,

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they will take their negotiating

position and I suspect that if they

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are rational, both sides will come

to some mutually agreeable...

I am

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sorry but I not sure they are

rational.

In the Guardian, they have

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a different approach...

A lot of the

arguments we were having earlier,

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Ruth were saying... The Raikkonen is

that disagree with you, Ruth, and

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82% in surveys done...

By the FT...

Not just the FD, and every time I

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said this, they are foreign,

lefties, Irish, but they are

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economists and they have said this

thing is not going to happen in the

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way that...

No, no...

This is in the

Guardian. For the sake of the

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nation, for the sake of our future

generations, because we have lived

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our life and we have to think about

the future generations, that the

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right enough people within all

parties but even within Labour, who

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might want to work with the kind of

sensible, rational Tories to come up

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with a better model because when we

are heading seems to me utterly

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wrong and it seems wrong... There is

a new poll done today which shows

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that Remainers and Leavers, the

Remainers have gone up substantially

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by 11 points.

What you make of this

story?

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Could Labour rebels be picked off to

join the Tories?

I could not believe

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this for a second. I wonder what the

strategy of these rebels is.

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Assuming there is a framework

agreement next autumn which I think

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is a strong possibility, what will

they do? Vote against it? There will

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be no deal! What is the game?

I

don't understand. Apparently by

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going over the head of Jeremy

Corbyn, they could put hard

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Brexiteers back in their box, they

say.

Theresa May makes these

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decisions, but is she a hard

Brexiteer?

She is not the only one.

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She is the Prime Minister. She is

constantly under pressure from this

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other lot. She should not be the

only one making these decisions.

Is

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there an appetite among Labour

backbenchers to get involved with

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the government?

I would be very

surprised.

I think there is such a

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strong... I really admire the 11

Tories who did what they did last

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time with the vote, it could not

have been easy for any of them. We

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know what is happening with them.

There are Labour MPs...

Like to?

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Chuka Umunna. There is one example.

This has got to be bigger than a

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political party. What is going to

happen and what is happening is so

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important! Two it is very important.

Political allegiances could dissolve

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for the greater good.

It would be

great to have more voices, but you

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believe politically it is

impossible?

I think it is a

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political nonstarter. I am prepared

to admit I am wrong.

In terms of

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what we might see as you move into

phase two, we are hearing about the

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Canada plus plus plus deal. The

story focusing on Michel Barnier.

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David Davis, sorry, last week,

watching him perform, he was

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half-asleep!

He was tired.

All of

these studies he commissioned which

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he refuses to let us look at. We

still have not seen 52 of them!

He

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has released them but has kept

information back for commercial

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sensitivity.

He cannot do that! He

has even said that actually they

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have not been done.

He was talking

about the impact on the economy.

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Yeah. We need to know that!

He has

given that evidence to the exiting

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committee. But it is commercially

sensitive.

Some of the work has not

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been done. He has said it but you

will not agree on that. I think she

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is right to say that.

We will stay

with the Guardian. The picture of

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Rebekkah Dykes. We don't know much

about this story, but what do we

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have?

This dear lady was working for

the Department of International

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Development in Beirut and she was

kidnapped and strangled. It would be

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inappropriate to speculate as to why

she was killed and the circumstances

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of her death.

A family spokesman

saying we request the media take

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care with her privacy. The Times.

Social media. The perils thereof.

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According to the Times Facebook has

finally conceded that social media

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can harm health, and it proposes

users improve their well-being I

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posting more updates and comments.

How does this work? -- by posting.

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It is an addiction. It is an

addiction. Now it is out there you

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cannot put the genie back into the

bottle at all. Academic studies,

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especially for young people, it is

extraordinary how they feel they are

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living if they are opposed...

It is

not real if there is no photograph.

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There is a whole thing going on

where Facebook says it recognises

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the problem but says go and do more

of it! It understands nothing!

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Talking about putting the genie back

in the bottle. Do you agree? There

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was a survey a few weeks ago, I

cannot remember who did it, many

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young people said they would rather

social media was never invented and

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could live happily without it. That

is a pie in the sky.

It is done. I

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understand that people look for

admiration all of the time and it

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does not always come. They also

contrast and compare their

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lifestyles with others, and others

look better. What is happening is

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that they feel undermined by this.

They are probably addicted to it is

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a pillar it is a form of addiction.

Some psychologists are worried that

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the core of each individual, the

selfhood, if you like, is now

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distorted.

The self is now dependent

on what other people think of us.

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That is true for all of us to a

point. We live in a society and

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depend on others. But when

everything is tied to what others

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think of you, and they can be unkind

and thoughtless and cruel, it is a

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horrible thing. And I get so much

hate mail. The only way I survived

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it is by not looking. I am old

enough not to do that.

We will talk

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about pensions. Two different angles

on the story. The headline,

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middle-class pension crisis. What

are they saying?

The Daily Mail

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talks about middle classes while the

Financial Times talks about

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millennials and the big economies.

They are saying that even with the

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pensions, we are talking about

increasing contributions. -- gig

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economy. Nevertheless, there will be

many people outside the remit will

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not be in a position to save enough

for old age. I am afraid this is a

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truth and I don't know how to get

around it. Certainly, government

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reforms have made the situation

better for those who are employed.

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But for those not employed, problems

will continue.

Even here? This

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surprises me, for those earning more

than 55,000, they would have to save

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50%!

Those are figures plucked out

of the air. The moral of the tale is

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we live in an ageing society with

more and more demands made of the

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new generations, future generations,

of taxpayers. People will be

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expected to save for old age for

themselves. And it will be

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difficult.

Especially, as the

Financial Times talks about, the

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changing role of employment,

especially the gig economy.

Those

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poor people delivering food on

bicycles, they get almost nothing.

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How do they save? How are they

supposed to save? Older people are

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really not thinking about how the

young have to live. I saw someone

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saying they are having cappuccinos

and eating avocados and not saving

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and this rubbish, you are earning £5

an hour!

It is not just a pension

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issue, it is broader.

How can you

save?

Most people in the gig economy

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like it because it gives them

freedom. Though some people will not

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safe enough for old age.

Food for

thought. We will finish with The

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Telegraph. Just talk us through this

one. Saudis must stop starving

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Yemen.

It is interesting and

important. Because, you know, the

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Tories, all governments, have been

sucking up to Saudi Arabia for

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decades, the royals, everybody. I

have not heard such a strong

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statement on Yemen coming from a

Secretary of State. And on the front

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page of The Telegraph! I think it is

really important. The story in

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Yemen, we know about Syria and what

is happening in places in Iraq and

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so on, most people know nothing

about what is being done in Yemen.

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And actually, reporters are being

kept out as well. And it is the

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children! There is typhoid! There

is, you know, cholera! All of these

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things happening, no water, absolute

starvation, a policy of starvation.

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And this focuses on aid that should

get through, but an accusation that

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Saudis are preventing it.

The new

International Development Secretary

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replacing pretty -- Priti Patel,

they are warning Saudi Arabia is

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blockading aid. I think the Yemen

civil war is horrific. Perhaps not

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enough attention is paid to it. But

it is tragically part of the Saudi

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Arabian, Iranian, conflicts, the

struggle for the control over the

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Middle East. These poor people in

Yemen are in the middle of this

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horrendous conflict, it this is

racking their lives. -- this is

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wrecking their lives.

The aid depot

across from Saudi Arabia had

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medicine and food just sitting

there.

The UN elected Saudi Arabia

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on to the human rights committee. I

cannot believe that happened!

There

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is a lot more to talk about all of

those stories, but that is it from

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us tonight. Don't forget, all of the

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