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The Politics Show in the East... Businesses are hoping for an end to


the crisis in Europe. How localism sits with changes to planning that


could mean rural towns and villages being forced to accept new


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Welcome to The Politics Show in the East. Coming up... Localism is the


second biggest government priority after deficit-reduction but the


policy is criticised for being elastic, leading to inconsistent


and incoherent approaches. How does it say it would be plans to reform


planning laws? What we have to be sensible about is to ask, is there


First, David Cameron says the moment of truth for Europe is fast


approaching. The impact of the European crisis could pull the


European Union apart and create a two-tier Europe in the future of.


It is being watched with frustration and dread by European


MPs in Brussels. We do one third more trade with Europe than the


rest on average. What could being a spectator in the future mean for


The crisis over Europe does not just involve banks and politicians.


It is being watched by businesses. 60 % of the region's Import and


Export come from the European Union. This company in Great Yarmouth does


a lot of trade with Europe. It has got branches in France and Spain.


Europe is very important to us. A stable you resent his key. We must


have strong European partners. -- a In Brussels at the moment, we have


got a sense that Europe is at a crossroads. Nobody is sure what


will happen next but some are not surprised at what is happening.


did not take any pleasure in saying I told you so but I do, to a degree


but I do not take pleasure in what is happening in Greece. The problem


is confined to the Eurozone. But if it is going badly wrong, what about


the political project? That will go the same way. It has caught up with


what the rest of us have known for a very long time. We have got


profound problems with the whole project. People that believe in the


project are also very worried. They say this crisis is an opportunity.


The danger of disintegration is acute. We have got to do all we can


to salvage the European currency. I think that requires the deepening


of political integration. Chancellor was urging greater


integration, but not involving Britain. Because we are not in the


currency, we have got limited insolence. Some people think that


is part of a growing trend. image we have got in Europe is not


good. We are experiencing a nationalistic trend. There is a


feeling among some that Britain is becoming a spectator in European


affairs. When at the British Prime Minister is told to shut up by the


French President, it is indicative of the fact that harping on with


Euro-sceptic concerns is profoundly counter-productive and David


Cameron must learn. What is wrong with criticising what is wrong with


Europe? If you do so from the point of view of the British


Conservatives, which is saying that you do not want to be part of the


club, it is not surprising that people do not want to lessened.


Conservatives want to be part of the club but it has to be on our


terms. One of the concerns many of us have at the moment is what will


happen to countries not in the currency? What will be the


relationship? That is something we need to pay much attention to.


Great Yarmouth, they want to be a big player in Europe. They fear


constantly attacking the Union will not be good. We need European


clients. We need to work with them. If we are constantly bickering and


putting them down, that is not going to be good. The European


Parliament has just opened this centre in Brussels. Nobody is


certain whether the current crisis will make people more or less in


favour of the European project. But everybody is agreed that like all


not be the same again. -- life will We will look at the cases for and


against. Is the European currency leads on without breaking up, that


will sap market confidence, surely? I think this is the greatest


existential -- existential crisis ever. Perhaps they knew this was


coming down the line. Germany has to face up to the fact that


ultimately it is going to have to pay to keep his club together. But


it is perfectly legitimate for Germany to say that these are the


terms and the conditions that other countries have to follow in return


for support. It looks like Greece and Italy are putting governments


in plays that are supported by their MPs to put in place the


various reforms that are necessary to. I will go out on a limb and go


against the line that I think Greece is going to be a member of


the Eurozone, as is it too late. The alternative is too terrible to


contemplate. -- Italy. Are you anticipating a break up? A split


between the sock and and competitive and northern European


economies -- between the competitive Northern European


economies and the South? France and Germany will always have a strong


currency. I think there will be a fudge in Europe. It will limp along


in some form. Greece might disorderly default. We might limp


on for a while. But we must be clear, thank goodness we were not


in the currency. We must get rid of this stupid idea that businesses in


this region have to be part of this club to export to the Continent.


People are saying if we are not in the Europe, we cannot export and


that is rubbish. -- the euro. There are other markets. A share, India,


China and Latin America. -- a share. -- the Asian market. 60 % of people


here rely on trade in Europe. What do you think about what has been


said? The fact is that Europe, not just in the east but in the United


Kingdom is by far our biggest export destination. We export 4% of


goods to China and one % to India. And we have to do better. We export


more than 50 % to the European Union. We saw that in the package.


Business leaders are concerned in this region, in the east, about


their relationship with the European Union. It is pretty


obvious stuff. The three political parties and the vast majority of


business leaders support our membership of the European Union


because it is vastly in our economic interest. That is


something that these new debates are quite dangerous for asked.


are working on a special committee. What about the exposure of our


banks in the UK and in the east to European debt? We were prudent


about not piling into Greek government bonds. But if there is a


big melt down in the Eurozone, unfortunately, that will affect the


British banking system and the British economy. We must accept the


mistakes of the Eurozone ministers. I think they were weak and


incompetent. We will inevitably suffer. We were told by businesses


endlessly that unless we join the euro, British business will lose


out. Because our export markets in Europe could be plunging, because I


think these economies will be pretty flat in the next few years,


countries in the region will have to look beyond Europe. How do you


think this has been handled so far? Some people are not happy with how


it has been dealt with. What does the uncertainty mean for business?


All across Europe, we have had a pretty severe failure of political


leadership. That is not something we can get away from. Some people


have said we understand what needs to be done but we do not understand


how to get elected again once we do it. This crisis is more important


than that. The point about global export is that global demand


everywhere is flat. We have to look to the reality of the present and


make certain that is sustained. Localism against planning. This


week the localism Bill past Ready final parliamentary stages and will


become law next week. It is about a shift in power away from


Westminster towards local people. But is that working against the


Government's reform are planning laws? Opponents say it is the


greatest threat to the countryside for generations. What does localism


mean in practice? The Government wants more directly elected local


officials and for communities to have the right to buy buildings and


businesses that are vital to local light like pubs and shops. Perhaps


the biggest change will be in planning. The Government wants to


abolish regional strategists and had regional neighbour had plans


instead. For local authorities are taking part in a pilot scheme. One


is in Norfolk. This is the town of Aylsham on market day. 6,000 people


live here and it is a thriving community. We have got more than


200 clubs and societies. It localism is going to work anywhere,


it should work here. Be people I spoke to were deeply cynical.


do not do anything, the Government. It is no good. The Government wants


to devolve more power to local communities. Of course it does. But


they do not want to do it themselves! Many words but a garden


full of weeds. You think they do not want to do it themselves.


cannot. That is the truth. They push it to one side and let


somebody else make a mess of it. Aylsham has changed enormously over


the years. But they are not afraid of change, far from it. Eileen is


the chair of the town council and is excited about the prospect of


having more say in the wake Aylsham is run but she has concerns. We are


up for the extra responsibility. But we have got to be sensible and


ask, is there money coming with it? That is important. I would hope


that bypass taking responsibility, it would be less of a cost to the


council but we cannot do it for free. In Aylsham, the Football Club


has played a big part in local life. We have got 10 pitches and the club


house and the pavilion. The club is running 17 teams from under the age


of nine and up but it struggles to find pitches and the club plans to


build a new facility would 10 pitches on the edge of town, if the


scheme gets approval. 250 houses will also be built. As far as local


as it is concerned, what do you think? This is localism. I have


seen it on television and it is about local people making things


happen. Not just talking about it but doing it for the community.


That is what it is for me. This woman lives close to the proposed


new development. She is sympathetic to the good ball club's ambitions


but cannot work out why it must be so big. -- football. It is very


limited. I am very aware of that. This is a massive development on


the edge of town, outside the town and it will have an impact. What


will localism mean for the planning process? The Government wants to


replace regional planning with neighbourhood planning. But that


does not been people will find it easier to block developments they


did not like. The right to say it now does not exist in this planning.


It is the right to get to a situation where you can get


development in the area in the way the Community wants to see it. If


they want one place to but instead of another, that is their


opportunity. -- developed instead of another. They want to devolve


power to create communities. Some communities like Aylesham have


already got a fair amount of self- governing but how many people want


to get involved in decision-making, volunteering and running local


services over and above what happens now? It is open to question.


We are joined by the chairman of the campaign to protect rural


England in Cambridgeshire. I will start with you, Michael. Your


organisation is in a babel of neighbour that planning but how


effective will it be if we have got a presumption in favour of


development? We are concerned that the Government framework left


certain key areas open to question. We are very nervous that they will


actually allowed development to take place where people do not want


it. We have got tension here, I think between what the Government


is aiming to do and what the proposals will deliver. When David


Cameron introduced the idea of localism it was about people


getting more community control. But even the idea of the decor


referendum is being watered down. With his presumption in favour of


development, local views could be overlooked the. That is why I


disagree with government policy. To take an example, in a village near


Bury St Edmunds, a decision by the council could backbite hundred


houses next to that village and the local people will not have a vote


to reject it and even if they do reject it they do not have power to


stop the 500 houses. The only power they have got is to say exactly


where the homes should go. But it he did not want by public houses,


local villages will not have the power to reject the proposal. They


should have the power to do that. The Government should think again


bus-stop some --. Some people are worried about a shortage of housing.


Objections like that are simply stopping necessary buildings.


is not correct. We are not totally against development. People have


got to find homes delivered. The problem of house building is more


down to the general economic situation and people not being able


to get mortgages and at the planning system. If we look at the


Government suggestions, at the moment, councils are required to


provide five years' worth of house land. The Government says that is


not enough and it ought to be sex. Adding one more year on 25 will not


solve the problem. -- six. -- on to the five. What next? We have got to


look at thinking again. The current regime is a development charter and


that has got to be chopped -- stopped. We have got a number of


framework problems. We want brownfield sites developed as a


priority above green field. There must be proper transitional


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