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In the East... With a year to go, the countdown to elections for


police and Crown Commissioners begins. The posters are open to all,


including your favourite stars. And farmers will have to leave more of


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Welcome to the part of the Farmers are facing an uncertain


future. Europe is telling them to cut food production and believes


they should be greener. This is just a fact of life for us. In the


past few years, if the substances - - if we did not have subsidies, we


would not still be in business. But first, in one year, you will be


asked to elect a police commissioner. But do you know


enough about them? Did you no one could be a television star as


anyone can stand? One survey says three-quarters of people do not


even know they are on their way. Commissioners will be able to set


budgets, decide policing priorities and have the power to sack Chief


Constable its. Many candidates are likely to be backed by a political


party. It is feared the role could politicise policing.


In the cities Robert Chambers. He resigned nine months ago saying he


was considering standing as a police and Crown Commissioner. The


man who had a seat in appointing a chief constable for Essex did much


to swell police numbers. You are going to have 200 extra police


officers on the streets in Essex. It MS recently that his expenses


claims were under investigation by police. -- it emerged recently. The


Crown Prosecution Service decided there was and six sufficient


evidence has secured a conviction. -- insufficient evidence. I spoke


to him after he resigned as spoke with him, not least because we make


appointments to the police authority. Mr Chambers has now


repaid over 1,500 pounds and mileage claims he received from


Essex Police Authority. It took journalists weeks to establish he


was at the centre of a criminal investigation, because Essex Police


authority would neither confirm or deny it. Mr Chambers now says he


would like to consider standing as the police and Crown Commissioner.


The police investigation into his expenses claims was dropped. But


his interest in standing comes amid growing questions as to the


accountability and transparency of the role of Commissioner. Jessica


the Grazia is a former prosecutor in the United States. She says much


wrong in introducing these commissioners to England and Wales.


The checks and balances you find in America are not here. The downfall


of this law will be that the wrong people are put forward as


candidates. That the will abuse their powers. That injustice


results. Scandal results. And the law will be discredited. And then,


through the process of time, there will be amendments to the law or


changes to the law and we will have a different system of police


governance. It is up to the public to decide who is elected. That is


what happens in a democracy. Political party select candidates,


go through a process of scrutiny, but independence can stand and the


people will choose. There will be transparency and there will be a


free press that will examine pts. That is all to the good. My chief


constables are against commissioners, but will not speak


publicly. The former Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire says


her biggest fear is that a new commissioner would move to replace


the Chief Constable with some of their own choice. She says a good


commissioner will have an open mind and understanding and willingness


to understand the complexities of policing. But the authors of a


report on the new commissioners say candidates may need to have their


hand held. A number of candidates will be new to policing and


policing organisations are large and complex. Authorities and forces


need to think about how people are inducted, such that they can be


effective elite in their turn. Chief constables say there are also


concerns that police and Crown Commissioners could attempt to


interfere with operational independence, or objecting to


police forces helping other police forces or attempting to implement


the outcome of an investigation. have safeguards, there is a police


and crime panel, there are also formal complaint proceedings,


should there be wrong doing. If someone oversteps the mark, commits


a serious criminal offence, there are rules that relate to his


suspension and instant removal from office. The police panel has a


scrutiny role over the conduct and activities of the Police


Commissioner. How that works in practice in detail, I do not know


and I do not think anyone else does. Operational issues will need to be


resolved as we go through the process of setting the panel up in


the New Year. And critics of the plan are concerned that politically


appointed candidates with police and Crown panels largely made up of


members of the same party will potentially lead to a threat to


transparency and good conduct. With just one year to go before the


election of police and Crown Commissioners, it is clear the


Government has a great deal of work to do, much of the detailed yet to


be worked out. Senior police officers have boys can -- have


voiced deep concerns. And the public have yet to be won over, if


recent polls are to be believed. I am joined by Ben Gummer and Peter


Neyroud. His achievements include being a member of the sentencing


guidelines Council, Parole Board, National Policing Board, and the


counter-terrorism board. He is now researching crime Hull Cambridge


University. Are there are questions about the suitability of


candidates? We are one year to goal, and we have no idea of the


candidate range. And we have no experience of the people that might


come forward or will come forward. There is a big burden on the


parties to come up with good people and groom them for the process.


What about checks and balances and accountability? That is the role of


the police authority at the moment. How will that work? That is


reasonably clear run the bill up and the final shape of the


legislation. But it relies heavily on the policing and crying panel,


which will be elected councillors for the area. If those are all the


same party, as you he said, it could create worries. There do seem


to beat areas with the Government does not have information. Do we


know if there is a way of removing a police commissioner? Yes, but we


have one here to goal and this is a new position, which I think is very


exciting. -- we have won the year to goal. I was surprised by the


policy announcement. Why were you surprised? It is a new idea and


ought to have a new democratic opposition. As I understand it as a


Member of Parliament, I can see a real place for someone representing


the public's concerns to the police. My own forces fantastic. One thing


they cannot do is communicate with the public in the way a politician


can. I hope this will remove one impediment to the police showing


how good they are. What about the levels of wages, salaries up to


�100,000? It has to be appropriate so someone will give up their time.


But we have to do it within the constraints of public spending.


Peter Neyroud, let us talk about dynamics and the relationship


between the chief constable and the crime at Commissioner. That will be


key. I think it is absolutely key, not just personally, but actually


house some of the detail of the Act works out. I re-read it again this


morning. If I were the chief, I would feel I was being relegated to


the sort of cheap operating officer. That is a different role. Are you


saying, in the battle between at chief constable and the Crown


Commissioner, crime commissioner would when? Every time. -- would


win? What about where the chief constable would goal if the an


unhappy about their treatment? there are some mediators, one of


which is the policing and crime panel. Another is a national


inspectorate. Like all new things, it will have to play out. What


about this whole new idea that there could be a lot of celebrity


candidates? No doubt it will happen somewhere. I am convinced the


public will take to this. It has not yet been publicised properly.


But as candidates come forward and people know the election will


happen, I think it will be enormously successful. People care


passionately about crime and anti- social behaviour. This is one way


to get them to reconnect with the police and the process of making


communities safer. At the moment, that does not really exist. Briefly,


do you believe the public and onside or can they be brought


onside? I would be happier if we were not trying to run a November


election. That does concern me. shall leave it there. Thank you


both very much. Now to Europe, where plans were


announced to reform the Common Agricultural Policy again. Let us


take you back to 1962 when it was introduced to create a stable


market and reduce Europe's reliance on imported food. Now agriculture


generates over 1.5% of GDP and employs only 5% of the population.


But last year, it cost 50 billion euros, 47% of the whole budget. The


new rules will freeze the level of funding until 2020. It also wants


to change the emphasis to move away from subsidising food production


and link payments to environmental improvements, which farmers and


there has regency could result in higher food prices. -- farmers in


this region say could result. Andrew Watts has been a farmer for


more than 30 years. He manages 2,300 hectares. He runs a mixed


farm, growing a variety of CD or crops for some livestock. Like many


farmers, he receives subsidies from the Common Agricultural Policy


budget. Subsidies are a fact of life. In the past, if this system


was not in place, we would not still be in business. As well is


using the land for crops and cattle, 4.5% to set aside for wildlife and


environmental projects. We have a wild bird feeding strap with a


variety of crops. He is paid �30 per hectare for the strip, which


encourages insects and the summer and provides food for birds during


the winter. Subsidies are important too many farmers, but changes are


on the horizon. The European Commission wants to reduce its


overall budget. It is planning on introducing new proposals to link


payments, not to food production, but environmental schemes. It


involves crop rotation to promote biodiversity and more set aside to


encourage wildlife. Crop rotation would see farmers having to grow at


least three crops but the largest taking up no more than 70% of the


land and the smallest no less than 5%. Farmers are also asked to take


7% of agricultural land out of production as part of a new scheme.


The most important thing is to allow farmers the freedom to grow


and produce what their land is best that. When you tell them what they


have to grow and do not have to, their land may not be suitable for


biodiversity crops, whatever it might be. Let us grope what we are


good at growing. Conservationists white Simon Tonkin of the RSPB are


also worried. These measures do work when deployed right. But what


we're seeing is a cut to that budget. We must ensure farmers who


have already stepped up and doing their bit and not penalised by


those sorts of proposals. pressure to feed a growing world


population without depleting or damaging its natural resources is


huge. One or agriculture can withstand these challenges with


reduced financial support is another matter up. -- whether


agriculture. Lobbying is now underway with new roles expected to


come into force on the 1st January 1920 14.


Earlier this week, the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and


Rural Affairs attended an EU meeting in Brussels. We asked


Caroline Spelman what she made of the plans for the reform.


I am disappointed with what the commission are proposing. I do not


think that what they are proposing faces up to the challenges. Those


were quite rightly identified with the problems of food security and


rising prices. And we have the impact of climate change. I do not


think what is proposed matches up to the challenge. One of the things


discussed is the idea of crop rotation, leading one field by law.


That means for farmers they have less land available. -- leading one


field fallow. Do you agree with that? This is what we do in this


country as good practice, happening since the Middle Ages. It is not


new. That measure is directed at European member states that have a


monoculture, would be a growing this same crop on the same piece of


land year after year. Once again, it is an example of something that


does not work very well for the UK. But farmers will be required to do


three things to receive direct payment. Leave pasture permanent,


which we do, ripped hook -- rotate crops, which we do, but also to set


aside 7% of land. One of the points I have made is that farmers in the


UK already take some of their land out of production for the


Protection of the environment. We have won an early concession from


the Commissioner that we will not be asked to set aside another 7% on


top. A lot of farmers in the East are quite large farms, benefiting


from economies of scale. Are you not worried that those could


suffer? I am and I will put up a very tough fight on their behalf.


There is a plant to cap the size of farms that could receive these


payments. It is set at a level that more closely reflects the small


farms of the Continent and makes no sense in that far as you would


simply be broken up to qualify. That would make them less


competitive and less productive and less efficient. That would


ultimately lead to increasing the price of food. Is this cap on the


Common Agricultural Policy funding going to stay? I am pretty


confident we will get the cap on the cut lifted, because we are in


an alliance of member states. This cap on the size of farm receiving


payments simply will not work. Or it will have adverse a corn -- at


this consequences and there will be many affected by that that we can


block it will stop Ben Gummer is joined by William Martin, a local


farmer. Ben Gummer, you must welcome these


measures as they will cut the bill for the Common Agricultural Policy.


That is the one good thing. But we have a commission again with a


ludicrous proposal we have to fight. Good luck to the Minister for doing


so. Each of the ministers out -- each of the measures outlined we


are already doing or they will damage farmers. The owner Martin,


the UK have some of the most efficient farmers in Europe, so why


are you not welcoming what appears to be a move to ease the reliance


on subsidies? -- William Martin. is not the subsidy element that is


worrying us to stop it is the unintended consequences of some of


the specific measures. On my own farm, I already goal four mac crops,


but I grow old two or three of those at quite small amounts. -- I


already go role four crops. But I am said that I must abandon some of


those crops to get my third crop up to the 5% threshold. It is going


against what we want to do, producing the kind of food I am


good at producing and the market wants. That is a blunt instrument


not achieving the end. What about the idea of 7% Lang fallow? Is it


important to encourage diverse wildlife or feeding the population?


But we are already doing that, and what this does is impose a state is


Stalinist view from Brussels that that you can decide how the whole


European farming landscape will look. It is not the right way ahead.


This proposal fails three friends, not looking at the real challenges


in the future feeding the world population, not looking at America,


where American farmers are subsidised higher, and thirdly, the


tax payers need good value and they are not getting this. What about


the idea that larger farms could end up being broken up as a result?


Will that happen in this area? think it will inevitably happen. If


you have a system that says, if you have a farmer in his eyes, you will


get more money if you divide it by 50%, what you think will happen.


How are you going to police things? I am personally not affected, but


what if you had to divide a business? I do not think it will


reduce the amount of money coming out. Some could go to professional


advisers advising people how to get themselves into a structure to meet


the criteria up. It would just create work and bureaucracy. What


can the Government do? We have to get those parts out of the proposal


like the cap, which is ludicrous. We need to be able to understand


what British farmers like William are already doing to help the


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