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This week on the Politics Show: Vince Cable offers sympathy to the | :00:05. | :00:09. | |
St Paul's protesters and threatens tough action on executive pay. | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
But what about the economy? The Business Secretary tells us his | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
plan for growth, and we get the Shadow Chancellor's verdict. | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
And are Government plans to take child benefit from higher rate | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
taxpayers fair? We hear from the Tory backbench women who want the | :00:23. | :00:33. | |
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policy changed. In London this week, the Government | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
is allowing X service personnel to jump the queue for housing. | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
And the promise to get rid of the rough sleeping in 2012. What might | :00:44. | :00:54. | |
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And joining me today, Polly Toynbee from The Guardian, and Paul Waugh | :00:55. | :01:03. | |
from the Politics Home website. Welcome to you both. But first the | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
news, with Tim Willcox. Good afternoon. Italy's president | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
has begun consultations on forming a new government following the | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
resignation of Silvio Berlusconi. He is likely to be succeeded by the | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
economist, Mario Monti. The new government's main task will be to | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
implement a strict austerity plan aimed at tackling Italy's massive | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
debt crisis. Christian Fraser reports. | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
A warning that this report contains flash photography. | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
A bright new day in the politics and a prime minister-in-waiting was | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
on his way to church. Mario Monti maintains a low profile but his | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
mood reflects the new-found optimism that many of his | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
countrymen share. Meanwhile, a procession of party leaders have | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
been arriving at the Presidential Palace. 86-year-old Giorgio | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
Napolitano is working his way through a gruelling schedule of | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
meetings, trying to secure a working majority for the new | :01:54. | :02:03. | |
interim government. TRANSLATION: Today is a day of | :02:03. | :02:10. | |
national liberation. The country was in the hands of an egotistical | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
man, said Antonio. He used institutions for his own good. And | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
how many shared that view? Last night Silvio Berlusconi arrived at | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
the Palace to the whistles of the mob. He will be the last leader | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
consulted today. Berlusconi says they will back Mario Monti but he | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
has warned that he can and will pull the plug when every he chooses. | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
In other words, the ex-Prime Minister may have left the stage, | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
but he still wields considerable power from the wings. | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
Syria has called for an emergency Arab summit to discuss the unrest | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
in the country. Today has seen large pro-government demonstrations | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
in Damascus following the Arab League's decision to suspend | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
Syria's membership over its crackdown on protestors. | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
The Queen has led ceremonies to mark Remembrance Sunday, laying a | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
wreath at the Cenotaph in central London. A two-minute silence was | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
observed across the UK and at British military bases around the | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
world, to remember those who have lost their lives in armed conflict. | :03:06. | :03:16. | |
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Ben Ando reports. Gathered to remember the glorious | :03:17. | :03:27. | |
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dead. And to reflect on their ultimate sacrifice. At 11am, the | :03:29. | :03:39. | |
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hour the guns fell silent 93 years In uniform... In thought... In the | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
capital and in cities, towns and villages around the United Kingdom | :04:03. | :04:13. | |
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And after two minutes precisely, the Last Post, an end to the | :04:26. | :04:35. | |
silence. And a queue for the laying of the reefs as the nation | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
remembers so many have died so that many more might live. -- of the | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
reeds. Your next news is that 6pm. | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
The people have spoken. Well, a handful of them have. And they've | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
effectively seen off two democratically elected prime- | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
ministers in a week. Given the straight choice between honouring | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
the will of the people and doing what is needed to keep the eurozone | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
intact, it's clear where the key decision makers in Brussels stand. | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
Paul, it has been extraordinary, hasn't it? First Papandreou and now | :05:09. | :05:16. | |
Berlusconi gone? The people who have really dictated this timetable | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
are the bond traders. Because elections are messy and they take | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
time. The markets don't have time. And the Arab Spring has marked the | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
beginning of the toppling of all these dodgy regimes. I have a bit | :05:33. | :05:40. | |
of a problem - with the people decide. We will see. He Polly, what | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
do you think? I think we have to look with great suspicion at these | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
technocratic government. Everybody is political and people above | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
politics are always on the side of the banks and the markets. It is | :05:54. | :06:02. | |
the default position. There is no technocratic left? Not really. If | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
people asked and a say, I am not very political, it nearly always | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
turns out there on the right. People who declare themselves as | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
political tend to be on the left. So we should be well aware that | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
this is the markets in place, whether it is Mario Monti or the | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
new government in Greece, this is a right wing movement. They will be | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
for extreme austerity and for screwing down the poorest, and it | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
will be very hard on those countries. Thank you to both before | :06:33. | :06:41. | |
the moment. -- to both of you. Now, as we've been hearing, things | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
are little rocky on the economic front, and not just in Greece and | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
Italy but here in Britain, too. With economic growth increasingly | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
microscopic, it falls to Business Secretary Vince Cable to come up | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
with a plan to get things moving again. We'll hear from him in a | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
moment, but first, here's a reminder of the stormy weather | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
ahead. Vince Cable built his reputation on | :06:59. | :07:06. | |
a gift for forecasting the economic weather. There was a gloomy outlook. | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
We now face a crisis which is the economic equivalent of war. It has | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
proven right. An economic hurricane blew away the Greek Prime Minister | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
and this week, the high pressure got too much of Silvio Berlusconi, | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
who was forced to announce his resignation as Italy borrowing | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
costs soared to new and dangerous heights. But what about domestic | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
conditions? The Business Secretary is responsible for growth and | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
strategy. But the predictions for 2011 and are just not 0.7 and 0.6% | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
for 2012. Even though the Autumn Statement is coming up on the | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
horizon in November, there is little chance of sunshine short | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
term. Earlier this week, Vince Cable said large-scale tax cuts and | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
big increases in public spending are not under consideration. It is | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
one thing predicting things. But governments are expected to make | :08:06. | :08:15. | |
the weather, too. Mince cable has to make sure we can look forward to | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
a brighter days. -- Vince Cable. Well, yesterday I met Vince Cable | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
in his Twickenham constituency. I began by asking his just how | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
serious the current crisis is. There is a serious problem and it | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
is not just a British problem. Primarily, the crisis is centred on | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
Europe at the moment, but it is serious. The eurozone is in | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
difficulties and the United States is finding it difficult to make | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
headway in terms of sensible decision-making, and this affects | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
us. Of course, we have got our inherited problems. Not just the | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
deficit, which is difficult enough, but all the problems with over- | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
dependence on housing and the excessive debt of households. So it | :08:55. | :09:02. | |
is difficult. And you talk about this crisis, and yet if you are an | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
FTSE director and you have seen your pay go up by 49%, it must look | :09:07. | :09:16. | |
like a very different landscape? Yes, and I think that is what | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
causes so much public anger and indignation and the protests. | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
you have sympathy with the protesters? I have sympathy with | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
the feelings behind it. Some of the recommendations are not helpful but | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
that is not the. Margaret. It does reflect a small number of people | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
doing very well in the crisis. There are numbers of people who | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
played no part in causing the crisis and to have been hurt. One | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
thing I have done is to set up a review into executive pay and how | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
that can be reformed, and how shareholders can exert more | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
influence over the companies they own. We have also set up a process | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
of looking at a long-term strategy, said business has to look at the | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
long term and not just respond to short-term crisis. When you say | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
action, what? Legislation? That might be necessary. Do you think it | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
will be? Possibly. So there is legislation in the new year to deal | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
with executive pay? That is quite possible. We have a consultation | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
and if it is necessary, we will introduce it. How would it work? | :10:29. | :10:36. | |
There are many different ways of strengthening the role of | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
shareholders in companies, because what has happened in the past is | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
that most big companies are owned by pension funds and insurance | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
companies. It is getting those institutions to be active and | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
socially responsible as shareholders. It that could be | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
reforms they can undertake themselves and might require | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
pressure from the side of legislative reform. Is this a | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
warning shot? I certainly think they should be conscious of the | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
impact this is having on the rest of the public. Most British | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
companies are well run with good management, properly paid. But the | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
underlying problem, which evidence has already demonstrated, is that | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
pay has far outstripped the performance of companies and there | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
is no justification for that. go to the other end of the scale | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
and talk about the up grading of benefits. We have had high | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
inflation, over 5%, this year. Should benefits go up by that | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
amount? We would certainly want to protect the most vulnerable in | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
society. And that is why one of the first acts of the new government | :11:46. | :11:54. | |
was to lock in the pension levels for state pensioners. We do believe | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
that the most vulnerable people in society should be protected in | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
these very difficult conditions. That is not quite the answer to my | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
question. Do you believe benefits should go up with inflation? | :12:05. | :12:12. | |
course they will. No doubt? doubt. Of course they should be | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
indexed and that is fully understood. There are issues about | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
timing and detail that will be clarified. But the principle is | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
absolutely clear, but the Government will protect benefits | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
from inflation. Issues of timing and detailed - what does that mean? | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
We will have to see what comes out of the autumn quarter. I am not | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
making policy up on the hoof. You will have to wait and see what the | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
Chancellor says. But the Government is committed to protecting those | :12:42. | :12:48. | |
who are most vulnerable in society through state benefits and pensions. | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
But for example, if you have a low- paid worker flatlining and their | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
pay has not gone up, if you increase benefits by 5.2%, the gap | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
between a worker and a non-work is narrowing. It becomes more | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
advantageous to stay on benefits? The response to that problem is to | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
lift the low-paid workers out of tax, and it is what we are | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
committed to doing as a coalition government. The Lib Dem policy was | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
getting it up to 10,000 and we are committed to doing that step-by- | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
step, and that is the way in which you help the low-paid workers. | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
Let's go to where we started. You talked about the problems in the | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
eurozone at the moment. Seal borrowing costs in France rise | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
quite steeply, how concerned are you that France is next? We are | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
talking about something that is fairly remote in this fairly | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
negative scenario, but the position in the eurozone is very difficult. | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
How well do you think the eurozone has acquitted itself in delivering? | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
They have not acquitted themselves very well in recent months because | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
they have been consistently behind the game. But I think the positive | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
outcome of what has happened is that they do now understand what | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
they have to do, the key elements are being put in place, and the | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
question is whether they will be strong enough to get on top of this | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
and turn the eurozone around. about this idea that there will be | :14:16. | :14:23. | |
a eurozone group of key nations and this outer ring, where Britain has | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
next to absolutely no in Florence? We would certainly not want this to | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
happen. We would want Britain to be fully embedded in the decision- | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
making in the single market, which is actually the core organisation, | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
as far as we are concerned. We have to strengthen it. We certainly do | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
not want a situation to revolve where we are excluded from | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
decision-making. And would bear need to be treaty negotiations to | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
make that happen? - Matt Wood there need to be? Are there no power as | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
you would like to see repatriated? There is a major crisis hanging | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
around and they have to sort out the eurozone problem. Having a | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
debate on which powers are conducted at European level or | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
British level is utterly irrelevant to the crisis we face. So 81 | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
Conservatives have utterly irrelevant views on that? It is not | :15:19. | :15:26. | |
relevant to the practical policy issues we face. If it is battered | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
back and forth over the last decade... It seems to have animated | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
a large number of your colleagues? It would be helpful if we focused | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
on the issues to sort out the eurozone crisis. That is what we | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
have to focus on her and I hope my colleagues have those priorities. | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
In the midst of these problems, what role of the European Central | :15:47. | :15:57. | |
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Bank? Should it be helping sort out We discovered in 2008 in our own | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
country that you need to have a strong central bank that can do | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
that. They need that at European level and that is one of the issues. | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
Are you frustrated by Angela Merkel's stance on this? It is not | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
for me to be frustrated because we are not members of the Eurozone, | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
but in addition to the disciplines that the southern Europeans are | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
going to have to adopt, the Germans will have to play their role in | :16:33. | :16:40. | |
supporting the Eurozone, making absolutely sure that the relevant | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
countries are supported with adequate liquidity. Will the | :16:44. | :16:51. | |
Germans do that? I know that they must. I do not want to go back over | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
the arguments of the 2010 election, but effectively were saying that if | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
you cut too far too fast it will damage the economy. He brought in | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
the austerity package but everything you said prior to that | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
election seems to have come true, were your right then? I was right | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
and what I said on behalf of the Liberal Democrats is that you need | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
to have a balance. On the one hand, if you have fiscal contraction | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
which is too severe, you damage growth. If you do not do it fast | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
enough, the risk precipitating the loss of confidence in the markets. | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
It is about getting the balance right and in the difficult | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
circumstances in which we entered government it was imperative that | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
we establish confidence. We have done that and the UK has been | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
rewarded with very low borrowing costs and interest rates. In that | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
sense the policy has succeeded, but we also need to emphasise growth, | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
and that is partly about giving a stimulus, which we are getting | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
through monetary policy. I was arguing for QE some months ago. | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
that Plan B? No, part of plan is to use monetary policy to stimulate | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
demand. We also need to look at the longer term question of how we | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
balance the economy to get proper growth, which is my job in | :18:18. | :18:25. | |
government, that is about exports and manufacturers, supporting | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
apprenticeships and technology centres, supply chains, changing | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
the way we look at government procurement. That is how we will | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
get sustainable growth. When you heard Tom Watson described James | :18:38. | :18:47. | |
Murdoch as a Mafia boss, dig you have sympathy with him? -- a dig | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
you have sympathy. I am just getting on with my job. This has | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
become a legal issue, the courts will sort out the issues of the | :18:58. | :19:05. | |
hacking scandal. Did you find it amusing? Tom Watson has a good turn | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
of phrase. Let's leave it at that. I am not making any further comment. | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
The Vince Cable, thank you very much. | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
Believe it or not, there was some good news about the UK economy last | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
week when the cost of government borrowing fell as a cost of | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
investors viewing the UK government gilts is a safe haven in the euro | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
crisis. Earlier Rice spoke to the shadow chancellor, Ed Balls, and I | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
began by asking him if he accepted that this was evidence that the | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
Government's debt reduction strategy was working. It is a funny | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
kind of haven to Levin When you have unemployment rising to his 17 | :19:46. | :19:52. | |
year high. There is no doubt that Britain, America, Germany, not | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
being in the core of the euro going wrong are not seeing the higher | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
default premiums in the interest rates, but the reason why interest | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
rates are historically low in Britain is not good news -- is not | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
good news. This is because our short term interest rates are | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
expected to stay low because our economy is flat lining, | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
unemployment is rising and there is no prospect of the Bank of England | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
changing course. The Government says we are no safe haven because | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
of these interest rates, but most experts will Likud that and say | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
that it is spin from a government trying to divert attention from | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
their policies and what they have done. Standard and Poor's, one of | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
the world's leading credit agencies has given us a warning that our | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
triple-A rating could come under downward pressure if the | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
Government's commitment to fiscal consolidation falters. Whether the | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
credit agencies lead the debate or follow is something we need to | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
decide. Going back to August, the US had a downgrade from a ratings | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
agency. On your argument, their long-term rating should have gone | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
up, but it fell. This is because people said the American economy | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
will not grow. If Britain has a prolonged period of stagnation, the | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
Government should change course on the deficit. The idea that they are | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
still not doing so, using this safe haven argument is laughable. One | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
year ago the spin from the government was that our plan will | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
work can the private sector will deliver growth. We are now in a | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
position where David Cameron, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, are | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
trying to tell people that however bad it is, 80 is the Eurozone | :21:43. | :21:50. | |
crisis. It is important that the BBC do not fall for this argument. | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
I used in the Eurozone crisis is having no impact? Off-course side | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
did not say that. I warned a year ago that if there is a global | :21:59. | :22:07. | |
hurricane you should not undermine the foundations of your house. -- | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
of course it is. The Government has made things worse because our | :22:11. | :22:18. | |
slowdown happen before the Eurozone crisis. We have bigger rises in | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
unemployment and we're weaker and less able to withstand this latest | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
crisis because of what the Government has done. Our exports to | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
the euro area have gone up by 17 %. Consumers and businesses are losing | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
conference -- confidence and been hit by this rapid contraction in | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
fiscal policy. They are in difficulty and the longer this goes | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
on, the bigger the pain will be. have heard from Vince Cable | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
speaking about the need to get growth into the UK economy. We read | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
in the papers that there may be �50 billion worth of investments | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
brought forward for infrastructure products like roads. Do you welcome | :23:01. | :23:08. | |
that? If it is true, I welcome it. Your first question to Vince Cable | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
was, this is the equivalent of a war in the economy. That is quite | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
right but after the Second World War we took many more years to | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
repay a higher level of debt. The Government are trying to do this in | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
one stage, and it is flat lining growth. We set out of five point | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
plan which is more balanced. If it is the case that the government is | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
now adopting one of those points, by bringing forward infrastructure | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
investment, good. But it has got to be real and have a stimulus for the | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
economy. George Osborne is saying that the �50 billion will come from | :23:49. | :23:57. | |
private investment. I just want to ask you bite your plan. How much | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
will you growth plan cost? We have been clear that one of the elements | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
would be a temporary cut in VAT. For how long? If we did that for | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
one year it would cost �20 billion. Do you think it should be for one | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
year or five years? It all depends how long it takes this recovery to | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
get moving. I think we could get the recovery moving over the next | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
year. One year ago we had a recovery and falling unemployment | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
before Vince Cable ignored the Liberal Democrat manifesto and the | :24:32. | :24:39. | |
Government decided that my I want to stick with your plans. | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
billion in VAT, how much will the rest of it cost? The second part | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
will raise �2 billion from bank bonuses to spend on 100,000 jobs | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
from -- for housing and young people. That obviously pays for | :24:55. | :25:02. | |
itself. Small companies will boost job creation and take on employees. | :25:02. | :25:08. | |
We have also said cut VAT for one year, for repairs and maintenance, | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
to get help for small companies. People think that might cost half a | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
billion pounds, but if you get more growth and jobs, aid we pay for | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
itself. Finally, bring forward public investment projects. You | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
cannot have these that do not effect borrowing. George Osborne is | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
saying 50 billion, up but that is deeply irresponsible. You have got | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
to hold into account. We need Labour's plan for jobs and growth. | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
On executive pay, Vince Cable is speaking about introducing | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
legislation in the new year. Will you be backing him? If he brings | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
forward legislation we will look at it. I thought Vince Cable was | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
deeply confused about the past and the future. We introduced in | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
government legislation which says that every person being paid more | :26:04. | :26:10. | |
than �1 million, their pay and bonus should be made public. The | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
government had refused to use that legislation. He could use that | :26:15. | :26:25. | |
:26:25. | :26:28. | ||
legislation now. Why does he not act? He cannot sit there and say, I | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
have got a problem, and then prevaricate about action, on | :26:32. | :26:39. | |
executive pay, abide by and bonuses, about jobs and pay. We do not want | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
these confused interviews, we need action. We need to get the deficit | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
down. From the interview today, I did not see any sign of leadership | :26:50. | :26:57. | |
action, just excuses. Polly, what do you make of the move by Vince | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
Cable to deal with executive pay, speaking about legislation in the | :27:02. | :27:08. | |
new year? Very interesting. As Ed Balls says you could start by using | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
the legislation that is there are ready to make things more | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
transparent, Batam not sure that transparency does anything because | :27:15. | :27:21. | |
we know they have earned these grotesque 49 % increases. I do not | :27:21. | :27:30. | |
know until we see the legislation. The problem is that the shale | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
holders -- the problem is that the shareholders are sitting on each | :27:34. | :27:41. | |
other committees. They have got the power and they could be voting | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
against bonuses, but it does not happen. Paul Waugh, interesting to | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
see Vince Cable linking the issue of executive pay with the | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
protesters at St Paul's, offering sympathy, I have sympathy for what | :27:55. | :28:02. | |
they're doing is not your proposals. You could have got in any week of | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
any year, for the last decade, protesters that would want to go | :28:06. | :28:12. | |
outside St Paul's Cathedral and say that there is a crisis in | :28:12. | :28:19. | |
capitalism? This is because the 99 % feel that the 1% has caused this | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
crisis. If you buy into that, people on the steps of St Paul's | :28:24. | :28:33. | |
will get some air play, but I do not believe that Vince Cable's has | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
converted -- that Vince Cable has converted to direct action, nor has | :28:37. | :28:44. | |
David Cameron. Let's be honest, pension funds are the ones that | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
will be the most active about this. Polly, what do you make of the | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
political reaction there has been to the St Paul's demonstration? | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
is fascinating. They have had an incredible impact in three weeks. | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
They have got the Archbishop of Canterbury to write an article in | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
the Financial Times calling for a Robin Hood tax. He would not have | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
done it without them. It has focused attention on the Church of | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
England, no longer the Conservative Party at prayer, but to the left. | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
The reason it has been so effective, the great drama that is going on is | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
what Vince Cable calls the war had there. Everyone knows this | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
appalling cloud is coming our way. There is alarm about crisis in | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
capitalism. At the end of the month, George Osborne will set out his | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
financial statement. Do you believe that in terms of growth strategy | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
we're hearing the government speak about growth more, but maybe there | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
is not that much difference now between Labour and the coalition on | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
the issue of cause? What is curious is the way that this Chancellor, I | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
deeply political Chancellor, is using Gordon Brown's style policies | :30:03. | :30:09. | |
to promote this idea of credit easing. It is a classic Gordon | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
Brown idea. Similarly we have the idea that you get more private | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
sector bondholders to promote investment in infrastructure. The | :30:18. | :30:25. | |
sound politically sensible, so that is why he is going to do them. He | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
will try and get lots of plaudits from stealing Labour's clothes when | :30:29. | :30:36. | |
he stands up in the House later this month. The real battle will be | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
over who gets the blame for the sluggish growth we will injured | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
during the next few years. The Government is building up the alibi | :30:45. | :30:55. | |
:30:55. | :31:00. | ||
Will be growth strategy roar like a lion or squeak like a mouse? Well, | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
if private industry were going to invest in these things they would | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
have done so by now. Large companies are sitting on very large | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
sums of money, afraid to invest. We need to make them let go of the | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
money but I do not see any signs of the Government winning to be that | :31:18. | :31:28. | |
:31:28. | :31:28. | ||
imaginative. And also, if he really wanted to, he could be storming | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
around the world saying, we need to do something about this. There is | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
not much leadership here, and I am not a great fan of Gordon Brown, | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
but the one thing he did was get people together to make a decision | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
right now, and we need that more than ever. But Cameron and George | :31:47. | :31:53. | |
Osborne, not at all. Thank you so much for being with us here on the | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
Politics Show. Still to come on the programme, | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
unless you're watching in Scotland, why the Government's plan to take | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
away child benefit from high earners could spell trouble on the | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
backbenches. But first, the Politics Show where you are. | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
Hello from the London part of the Politics Show, where we are looking | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
at two issues, not necessarily related. Why the Government is | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
giving more priority to ex-military who want council houses. | :32:23. | :32:31. | |
But before that, it is the hope of City Hall that the streets will not | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
be too scarred by the sight of homeless sleepers on the streets. | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
Are there any new solutions out there? | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
20 years ago, Cardboard City was perhaps London's most embarrassing | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
landmark. These days, rough sleeping is much less common, but | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
the mayor has promised that by the end of next year, it will be a | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
thing of the past. The first thing is, nobody should live on the | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
streets and in the 21st century, it is a scandal that some call the | :33:05. | :33:11. | |
street their home. The second thing is, no matter what a preventative | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
work you do, some will end up on the street. But they should only | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
spend every second night on the street. Throughout the day, the | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
street rescue team have been given a list of people sleeping rough, | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
either by those working in charities or members of the public. | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
We are walking around Tower Hamlets and we have a list of eight or nine | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
people who need seeing. We are going to try and find them and take | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
them to a harbour where they will receive an assessment of their | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
needs, with the aim of having them within some sort of stable a good | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
up -- accommodation within 24 hours. How much information are you going | :33:51. | :33:59. | |
off? We have literally come in and we were told he was in front of the | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
tube station beneath the scaffolding. -- Tube station. | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
of the work done is trying to reconnect what sleepers with where | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
they come from, on the basis that this gives them the best chance of | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
stable housing. The team find a rough sleeper from Luton but he | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
does not want their help. The days centre are offering all sorts of | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
options for him, saying, we could do this for you, that for you, | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
which is the wrong message, because the reality is, if his local | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
connection is outside of London, the best option is go to where he | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
is eligible to get services. It is a better place for him to be off | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
the street and get services. But he is classically resisting. But if he | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
does not want to go back to Luton and he has here in London because | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
he does not want to be there, doesn't it make sense to try and | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
sort something out for him in London? He has obviously got a GP | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
and other connections back in Luton. He may well have a family there. I | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
would say that living on the streets is dangerous and it would | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
be better to relocate in a planned way. If you want to live in London, | :35:08. | :35:16. | |
that is fine, but do it in a proper way. A real difficulty comes in | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
reconnecting people who come from a foreign country. The majority | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
sleeper on the streets of foreign nationals, and that is a new, very | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
recent phenomenon. Is the solution to that getting them to go back | :35:29. | :35:35. | |
home? There are a number of options. If you are a foreign national | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
sleeping rough, firstly, you need to get into work. Secondly, you | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
probably need to go back home to be reconnected with home, where there | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
is help and support to help you rebuild your life. But not | :35:48. | :35:55. | |
everybody wants to go Room. We arrived at the No Second Night Out | :35:55. | :36:02. | |
Cup and we met Stephen, who said he had arrived shortly before. I don't | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
want to go back there where I was. Do you think you will? To see my | :36:07. | :36:15. | |
family, maybe, but to live, at no. Why is that? Because there is | :36:15. | :36:21. | |
nothing down there. I was living there on the street. They are | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
trying to abolish rough sleeping in London? But the way they are going | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
about it is twisted. They are coming up to people and saying, get | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
out. People have no way to go. I have been offered a coach ticket to | :36:35. | :36:44. | |
go anywhere I want. I could get a coach to Spain if I was from there, | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
because the government in London, rather than me leave London and be | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
the problem of somebody else, I want to stay here. Rough sleeping | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
may not be popular with Londoners, but many are simply not excepting | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
the Mayor of London's help, so it could be difficult to achieve. | :37:05. | :37:11. | |
We are joined by a John Bird, the founder of Big Issue. And Richard | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
Blakeway. How are they getting on at City Hall with the rough | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
sleeping problem? I look at it rather differently, because I saw | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
what the Blair administration did. I think the real problem is, how do | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
you actually get homelessness out of people? What has happened over | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
the past 20 years is, what you have done is you have got the ball out | :37:33. | :37:39. | |
of damp, wet homelessness into indoor homelessness. There are | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
still many who are being removed from the streets over the decades | :37:43. | :37:49. | |
who are in social housing, and they are not reconnected. None of the | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
problems that caused them to be homeless have been addressed. And | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
there is a real problem around that. And can complete the understand | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
rough sleeping, and I was a rough sleeper 50 years ago. It was the | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
most horrible thing. I commend the mayor, let's move people on. I | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
would not let people sleep rough. We need to engage with the law. It | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
is a terrible, terrible thing to do. What about the thing on numbers? | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
Are the numbers increasing? Everybody is saying that. Big Issue, | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
if you go to our centres, it is all over London. There is an increase | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
of people coming to us and stories of people resorting to sofa surfing | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
and those sorts of things. So we are getting the effects of the | :38:39. | :38:49. | |
:38:49. | :38:49. | ||
economic downturn. But with vigour to -- with regard to a policy of | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
changing, we have to do something about our rough sleepers, but it | :38:53. | :38:59. | |
will be difficult. This is a policy you have to supervise. How do you | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
think it is going? I think we are making a lot of progress. You can | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
see real achievement that people are spending less time on the | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
street, particularly new arrivals. Half of people spend only one night | :39:13. | :39:18. | |
on the street. And we are also having success in reducing the | :39:18. | :39:26. | |
number of long-term rough sleepers. We identified a car what of 205 | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
people who have spent at least five years sleeping rough, some of whom | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
have spent 40 years sleeping rough, and that number has been reduced by | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
three quarters. So we are having real success. With the amount of | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
time people are spending, do you recognise that? Yes. You cannot | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
live through 1991 and see thousands of people sleeping rough and not | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
breathe a sigh of relief and best yourself, because we are now in | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
small figures. But I still think we are having a real problem with our | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
home as provision in London. It is not necessarily about getting | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
people are out of homelessness. The exit strategy is still really in | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
crisis. We are having people in warehouses and that is where the | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
men needs to be working. You say we need to move them on. Where? | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
men need to be getting tough with the national government. -- the | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
mayor needs to be getting tough. You need to deal with the mental | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
health and social problems, because that young lad does not want to go | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
back to Kent. I know why. Because Kent is full of all the problems | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
that have made him home as. Richard Blakeway, you suggest one of the | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
best options is for people to go home, go back. But John says, | :40:48. | :40:56. | |
people do not want to. Detention that you want to get them away from | :40:56. | :41:06. | |
London because it is not a good place for them, that is not working. | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
It is not a good place to sleep rough anywhere in the country. The | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
vast majority of people are being reconnected in London, but clearly, | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
if they are not from London and not entitled to local services, the | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
right thing to do is get them reconnected to where they can | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
actually get services. What happens to those who do not want to go | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
back? You have got to help them access services, and it is an | :41:34. | :41:44. | |
:41:44. | :41:44. | ||
important point... Match in London or? -- back in London or... Well, | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
possibly housing where they are entitled to it through their local | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
authority. The critical point John is making, and I agree with it, is | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
that just because you were sleeping rough does not mean you are | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
homeless. There is a big issue around health and one thing the | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
mayor has been doing, because we have got �34 million from the | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
Government to tackle this issue, is to put some of that money to help | :42:10. | :42:17. | |
with health services. It was 8 million? 8 million. They have just | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
transferred it and made you responsible? It is a tiny bit, | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
isn't it? There is about a million a year extra, and also we have been | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
able to work with services to change the focus of some of them, | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
so they do a job which is more important. We have been able to | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
tackle some of the things like mental-health and drug and alcohol | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
addiction as well, so people can rebuild their lives. It is not just | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
about housing. Do you think there is always a political imperative to | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
do something about this with something like the Olympics coming? | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
Yes. If I were the mayor, I would want people to come to London and | :42:57. | :43:03. | |
have a good experience, and people sleeping in doors is not a good | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
experience. But this is not a cynical act. It is a long-term act | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
about how we make homeless energy, the energy of the homeless sector, | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
work properly. We need a proper audit and we need to be knowing | :43:16. | :43:22. | |
what is out there in London. What works and what doesn't. And that, I | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
think the mayor need to put at the top of the list. We need to know | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
who is there, who can help, who can tackle the middle health problems | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
that 70% of people have. When we talk about the people we are | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
thinking about, are there still a lot of ex-service personnel who, | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
after being discharged from the Armed Forces, cannot put their | :43:43. | :43:51. | |
lives together? There were. 70% of the people who helped restart Big | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
Issue had made service background. There are places for people to go, | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
but the real problem is that those people who are stuck need to be | :44:02. | :44:08. | |
moved out of homelessness. I keep being repetitious. Move them out of | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
homelessness, do not wear house them. They re briefly, will rough | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
sleepers be off the Street of the capital by 2012? We have got every | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
chance of reaching our goal by 2012. Nobody should call the street their | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
home in the 21st century. Thank you so much. | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
Ex-servicemen and women are many of those who end up on the street. | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
Should they be given special treatment in terms of housing? In | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
fact, councils can give them priority now, but not many do. We | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
have learned the Government will soon give authorities more guidance, | :44:45. | :44:52. | |
as they put it, on how they can push servicemen and women up the | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
queue. But it could change by not very much. | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
The men and women in the Armed Forces adjusting back to live in | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
London can find it difficult, especially when it comes to housing. | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
But this week, the Housing Minister confirmed that Government was | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
drawing up plans to help. We will send out fresh guidance to councils | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
to simply say, if you have people returning from the military -- | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
returning from the military who need housing in your area, they | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
have to be properly prioritised. A problem in the past has been that | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
people sometimes say, we have been a wear for a long time and the | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
council is telling us we do not have a connection. That is not | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
acceptable. We will remove that and I will ask councils to prioritise | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
people in the military, because of course they have been a wear, and | :45:43. | :45:53. | |
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Councils also have discretionary powers that allow them to | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
prioritise people such as ex- service families. We asked all | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
councils in London if they give priority to the armed forces are | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
veterans and their housing waiting lists or housing allocations. Of | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
the 28 that got back to us, seven said they did. 21 confirmed that | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
they did not, and of those, a living said they were considering | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
reviewing this policy. Not everyone signs up to moving the ex-military | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
up the queue. Getting additional priority does not mean you are more | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
likely to get a home because there is not enough around at the moment | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
because successive governments have not built any homes. This could all | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
be solved if we build more affordable housing. One solution, | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
perhaps, last month the mayor of Newham wrote to the Queen on behalf | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
of the five Olympic boroughs asking for her support in putting and | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
families at the top of the list for the athletes' housing after the | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
2012 games. But with such a short following housing and with many | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
disadvantaged groups jockeying for position and the housing list, will | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
the situation be made any easier if ex-service families are giving up - | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
- are given a better starting point on the list? | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
Joining me now is Richard Cornelius from Barnet council and Lynda | :47:20. | :47:28. | |
Stevens from Haig Homes, who deals with ex servicemen. | :47:28. | :47:34. | |
How does it working Barnett? We had the opportunity to rearrange our | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
housing policy so it reflected what we wanted to do and to help people | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
we needed to help. We have got rid of our housing less so we're | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
dealing with people live. Ex- servicemen, we're helping them | :47:48. | :47:55. | |
before we help others. How does it work, who are they below? You have | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
statutory responsibilities? Exactly. If someone has been beaten up in | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
their home, they take priority, but right at the top, ex-servicemen | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
take priority. Do they have to have had a local connection with the | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
area? They have to have had gained the borough for six months before | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
they enlisted. So very much local people who have a history of being | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
local before the spent time in the military? Yes, because with the | :48:25. | :48:33. | |
housing stock we have got we cannot have the whole force coming to us. | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
Should local authorities have to do this? I believe they should. It is | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
guidance issued by the Government, not a statutory requirement that | :48:43. | :48:50. | |
they should prioritise the military people. The military person has, I | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
would describe as real disadvantages, they are not in one | :48:54. | :48:59. | |
place while they are serving, there moved around the country. They will | :48:59. | :49:07. | |
build up connections and a number of places. They are not used to | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
challenging, and if they are going into the local authorities and | :49:10. | :49:17. | |
seeking help with housing, local authorities run almost a tree I | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
system in dealing with homelessness applications. When the officer says | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
to the service person, no, that is an authority figure speaking to | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
them. Do you have any expectation at all that this will be statutory | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
guidance, that this will persuade 20 authorities in London to do | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
something different to? I do not think they will unless they really | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
want to. The only reason they might not is because there is a limit to | :49:46. | :49:51. | |
housing. We have heard a representative of Shelters saying | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
that we do not want to get involved in whose needs are greatest, but | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
there is a lot of need in London? Of course there is. People coming | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
out of the military are often looking for short-term solutions. | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
When they leave the services there are leaving their homes, their | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
families, their jobs. Should this be something that the armed forces | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
are doing rather than adding this burden to local authorities? | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
armed forces have cared for them when they have been serving. They | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
do provide a tremendous amount of advice and guidance for the service | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
lever. They cannot keep people in the military quarter to be fair to | :50:32. | :50:39. | |
them. Someone will say, why do you let the military jump-off your cue, | :50:39. | :50:45. | |
a lot of people need that housing? Exactly, but it is important that | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
we help these people back into society and into work. It is | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
important that we help these people improve their lifestyle. You must | :50:55. | :51:01. | |
have a lot of people that want to do that in Barnet? In what respect? | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
A lot of people want integrated housing. Exactly, but the waiting | :51:06. | :51:10. | |
list that we had was not functioning, aged just brought | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
names, it was not a real thing, whereas now we are dealing with | :51:14. | :51:20. | |
demand live. A lot of people will not understand that because you | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
move around everywhere, people do not want to go back to where they | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
were born, they want to settle where there are job opportunities? | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
Many of them have families, their children are in local schools, | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
their partners Arran local work, and that is their base and where | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
they want to remain. It is not ticks -- it is not unexpected for | :51:43. | :51:49. | |
any one of us to want to build that life. When a person is based in any | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
area, they are actually building the their local connection there. | :51:53. | :52:03. | |
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Thank you very much. That is all we You may remember when Gordon Brown | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
was Prime Minister he caused himself and his party quite a | :52:07. | :52:13. | |
headache by his decision to scrap the 10 pence tax rate. So could | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
David Cameron and George Osborne face their own 10 pence tax moment | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
over plans to take away child benefit from higher rate tax- | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
payers? Some on the Tory backbenches think so. Here's Giles | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
Dilnot. And there's shoes for Betty and a | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
suit for George. I'm not made of money. Family Allowance, which | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
became Child Benefit in 1977, was a post-war welfare benefit paid to | :52:35. | :52:43. | |
all, regardless of wealth. Wait a minute. I have just read a piece | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
about family allowances. We can get ten shillings a week for our three. | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
We would never get that. Oh, yes, you will. Imagine what they would | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
have made of today's figures of �20.30 a week for the eldest and | :52:55. | :53:01. | |
�13.40 for each additional child. That's what the Bennett family from | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
Guildford, dad Daniel and mum Andrea, get for their children | :53:03. | :53:11. | |
Ollie, Daisy and Lucy. �188 every four weeks. A total of �2,444 a | :53:11. | :53:17. | |
year. But supporting nearly 8 million of the nation's children, | :53:17. | :53:18. | |
however wealthy their parents, however wealthy their parents, | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
costs the state about �12 billion a year. A fact which gave a cash- | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
strapped new Chancellor a 2.4 billion savings opportunity last | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
billion savings opportunity last year. We have got to be tough but | :53:32. | :53:34. | |
fair, and that is why we will withdraw child benefit from | :53:34. | :53:40. | |
households with a higher rate tax payer. When the debts left by | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
Labour threaten our economy, when our welfare costs are out of | :53:43. | :53:53. | |
:53:53. | :53:53. | ||
It wasn't long before Daniel, a sales director at a small printing | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
firm, who had already taken two voluntary pay cuts for the good of | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
the firm, noticed as sole breadwinner, on 48,000, he was well | :53:59. | :54:08. | |
over the 42,475 higher rate tax threshold. In January 2013, their | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
child benefit would be gone and he asked himself what that would mean. | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
I was sitting doing some monthly calculations, literally on the back | :54:17. | :54:26. | |
of an envelope. I worked out that what was going out of the bank | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
account each month did not add up to the same amount as the salary. | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
Had I known that this was what they were going to do before I voted, I | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
wouldn't have voted Conservative. That's just the sort of comment | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
that's had backbench Conservatives also doing the number crunching. | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
Despite the plus of being in favour of the theory, and the savings, | :54:42. | :54:52. | |
:54:52. | :54:52. | ||
there's still minuses. Just last weekend I had a couple, and see me | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
who are very cross because they are a single income household and they | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
will not get child benefit any more, but their income is literally just | :55:01. | :55:07. | |
over the threshold whereas their next-door neighbours two incomes, | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
just under the tax rate threshold and they will still get it. My | :55:12. | :55:18. | |
constituents are saying this is not being fairly applied. At the point | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
where you start paying higher rate tax you are not in the wealthiest | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
bracket. I have concerns that we do not dissuade people from taking | :55:26. | :55:32. | |
that pay rise, from doing that extra are's work, would suddenly | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
puts them into the higher rate tax band and means they lose all their | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
child benefit. Families who actually want to stay at home, the | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
mum wants to look after their children, that is what tided when | :55:44. | :55:50. | |
my children were little. If you want to stay at home, that is fine, | :55:50. | :55:56. | |
and if you want to go to work, great. But we need to stay the | :55:56. | :56:03. | |
party of the family. The government will need to put primary | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
legislation in place to make the savings they want and they do have | :56:07. | :56:09. | |
options to tackle these points, particularly the single versus | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
household income issue, and that "cliff edge". Both of those things | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
could be addressed by integrating the current system with child tax | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
credits because they are assessed relative to family income and they | :56:21. | :56:27. | |
involve a gradual withdrawal of child benefit. One of the things | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
that the Government could consider in terms of the people on the cliff | :56:31. | :56:37. | |
edges may be delaying debate on which this happens, giving people a | :56:37. | :56:44. | |
chance to sort out their finances, giving them another pay rise. | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
Things may be a bit better. Resolution Foundation, a think-tank | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
who've been following the Bennetts and others on low to middle incomes, | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
think 35,000 families maybe in the same boat. People for whom watching | :56:53. | :57:03. | |
every penny has its cost. We do, from time to time, it is the root | :57:03. | :57:08. | |
cause of the potential argument. Then it starts to have an effect on | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
the tone of the whole house, because we are arguing about �10 | :57:13. | :57:19. | |
year, �5 there. I know myself that if I am worrying about money, I | :57:19. | :57:24. | |
cannot dedicate my attention to the children, because they can pick up | :57:24. | :57:34. | |
:57:34. | :57:40. | ||
that something is bothering me. It affects the whole mood of the house. | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
As the Bennetts and others await the government's detailed plans, | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
there is, one supposes, a small financial bright spot. Some things | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
cost nothing. And that's it for this week. We'll | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
leave you now with images of a man who dominated Italian politics for | :57:54. | :57:57. |