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In the south, will it be Armageddon day for the unions or the council


in Southampton? Tomorrow is the deadline for signing new contracts,


but the unions are planning new strikes. And the police i in the


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Welcome to the part of the show for us in the south. On Today show,


coppers Are lose their choppers. MoD top brass get a rocket. And


council staff get golden hellos to stay in their jobs. That is


probably enough puns. So to defence. Locally, all three branches of the


armed services have been in the spotlight. The RAF moved his


Hercules fleet but there is a housing shortage at prices so many


of those leaving are in temporary competition --. With the ongoing


operations in Libya just how much strain has the strategic defence


review put on our armed services? With me is the Conservative MP for


Bournemouth East and a former soldier. A former NATO commander


and in charge of strategic work at the MoD. Tobias, you have been to


Afghanistan as a former soldier, spoken to soldiers many times, come


back and spoken to them and their families, do you think your


government has changed the way that chip -- troops are equipped? Armed


forces are always changing the way they do things. We have to adapt to


new scenarios. Afghanistan was a very different type of war.


Therefore there was a continual learning curve that we had to go


through. Therefore the equipment used when we started is different


to what we use now. Have you put right a lot of the problems you


identified? Yes, if you speak to the soldiers now, equipment is not


an issue. You will not hear many complaints about equipment. It is


some of the best compared with some of our NATO allies. The body armour


that we have, the vehicles, the helicopters, we have invested a lot


of effort to get it right. We went out there with snatch Land-Rovers,


there was a lot of anger about that, using equipment designed for


Northern Ireland. Completely inappropriate with the last


government to send our trip to Afghanistan with that. That has now


been moved away and we have the right equipment. He talked about


helicopters, 12 new helicopters. Those now look like they may be in


doubt again. The 12 helicopters in order are still being looked at.


That is separate to what is required in Afghanistan.


Helicopters are required in a major label to move troops around. We


have now learned that Tarmac in Rhodes and allowing vehicles to


move safely is just as good a way it to mean that we do not need as


many helicopters as in the past. Chris, do you think the government


is thinking about the way our troops are equipped? I think there


was continuous process going on over a period of change from the


last government to the present. Difficulties were recognised. We


got a grip on a strategy, because I do not think there was previously


won either with the Americans all our cells. We now have a well


defined task and it is much easier to equipped a well defined task. We


have moved out of hell manned which it is a real problem for us. The


United States have moved in. We have a coherent plan on the ground


for dealing with the issues that are at stake there. I still wonder,


though, whether we have identified what our end state is going to be.


The conditions for success have not been defined identified. I have a


real worry that we tell the Taliban and elements of Al-Qaeda that we


want to be out of here in 20 porting politically. Whether that


is militarily sensible, I have doubts. Do you think the government


is clearly defining what we ask our troops to do? If we go across to


Libya, I think there is an absence of strategy. The requirement was to


get in quickly to stop a massacre and the United Nations resolution


now what is being used in a very imaginative way to a UN force


regime changed. I'll we clearly defining what our troops are being


asked to do, Tobias? What is the endgame in Libya and in these


African countries? Are we saying we are going to spread Western


democracy? That would be absolutely wrong. We are giving the


opportunity for countries to redefine themselves. The reason why


we had this resolution was to present -- prevent a massacre. We


have not my intrudes as in Iraq telling the country what to do. It


is the Libyans themselves that are defining where they want to go. We


are preventing a massacre providing humanitarian support allowing them


to work out where they want to go. That is all we can do, isn't it?


think we should have been more honest when we went in there. We


have gone well beyond what the resolution intended and that was to


stop a massacre. The French are arming the it rebels and we have


Libyans of -- civilians buying today. So what would you asked this


government to do today? Our as the government to go back to the United


Nations and say, we have done what you initially task us to do, what


is the next step? Because we have President Obama, the Prime Minister,


presidents are cosy, all saying there is no future with Gaddafi


there. That was not at all part of what the African union or that Arab


League or the United Nations said. One of the problems in the past is


as working unilaterally or with America doing what we think is


right. This time is different. We approach the United Nations to get


a resolution and we need international support. We would not


have got that if we marched in with bit on the ground. We are providing


humanitarian aid. The resolution allows us to implement the no-fly


zone. There is an impatience because some people would like to


see the removal of Gaddafi much quicker. The resolution does not


allow us to do that. We are tied in what we can do. We must are now the


agreement that was set by the United Nations. Thank you very much.


The emergency services sharing so sit has been part of a mantra to


cut costs. As reported from Dorset, the sky is not the limit when it


comes to finding savings. A severely disabled missing man is


recovered from Wareham Forest found by ferment -- thermal imaging


cameras. The craft attends more than 1000 incidents a year. With


the force facing cuts of 18 million, Chief Constable wants to join the


National Air Support Scheme sharing helicopters with neighbouring


forces to Chamonix. We are not abandoning anything, we are in a


position where we can move forward. We can share a facility at under


half the cost we are paying now. Dorset helicopter does not just


risk on it too serious in its Siddons.


Winchester Crown course features the work of a police helicopter


weather in gathering evidence, surveillance or taking photographs


to give to a jury to explain their location in an investigation.


By sharing a helicopter with neighbouring counties, Dorset


police are planning to reduce flying time, halve costs and save


�1 million. What about the practicalities? That is exactly


what is happening in Hampshire where they are sharing their


services with their neighbours. have helicopters come from here in


North tonsure, another in Sussex, we will soon move into a national


service if all forces in the country agree and the cost will go


down again. At that point there will be 23 helicopters that can


move around. Back in Dorset, the Police Federation are concerned


that sharing a helicopter with neighbouring forces could have


serious consequences. To scale back the service provider, I think is


worrying because it is a vast county. My concern is that to cut


back on the service provided could put lives at risk. A Hampshire


Police Federation say the move to sharing helicopters has so far been


fairly smooth. When Hampshire started to look at the prospect of


sharing, we were concerned at the drop-off service. I have to say,


since the collaboration and the sharing of helicopters, we have had


a really good feedback from officers on the ground he said the


helicopters are very dynamic, responsive, available when needed,


so I would try to reassure my friends in Dorset that we have seen


an increase in usage of air support and the officers he we represent


are very grateful. Hampshire's chief constable is also co-


ordinating the new air support scheme and says collaboration with


neighbouring forces is the only way forward. That is despite reducing


the number of helicopters by almost a third. I think all the cuts come


with risks, but on this occasion, by placing the aircraft in the


right places and ignoring the borders, no, I do not think there


will be any loss of service at all. Just a reduction in cost. Among the


rank and file, but there is a sadness that such an eye-catching


tall in the fight against crime may be destined to spend more time on


the ground to save money. We are all aware that times are


tough in policing and the finances have been cut back, but without


this, but we would not save lives. Without it, there will be prices to


pay. Monday 11th July, Armageddon day


according to the unions involved in the dispute with Southampton City


Council. It is a day when council workers will have to sign up to new


contracts. With me now look I'll Royston Smith, the leader of the


Council, the Labour opposition leader. Royston, there is a lot of


disruption planned for the week ahead, do you think it will be as


bad as the unions say? I hope not. We have been saying that this


disruption does not disrupt us, it disrupts the residents. The money


wasted by not connecting bridge tolls or parking does not take


money from the council, it takes its on the residents pockets. We


hope we have got to the point where a new contracts will come into


force and people will see we are doing it to save 400 jobs which in


itself will protect several services. They will see we are


doing this for the right reasons, signed their contracts, come to


work on Monday and we can put this behind us. The public opinion is


against you, isn't it? I don't think so. P pulsate is a mess. They


look at their rubbish and the way the dispute has gone on and they


worry. You would have to tell me he you have been speaking to. I speak


to people every day and people are saying to me, enough is enough, we


have been put through this misery there too long now, we understand


why you are trying to key people in work and if that means a modest pay


cut, we understand a principle of that. 400 people out of the


organisation within the services they provide would no longer be


carried out and their residents, the paying people, they deserve


their services. Do you support the strike, Richard Williams? We have


never supported this action and but we support the right to strike. We


are trying To encourage both sides to find a sensible resolution. A


lot of people recognise that this is not just a dispute in


Southampton, there is definitely an national element to this. Whether


that is planned or unplanned, I do not know. From the union


perspective, we have had speakers in Southampton over the past few


weeks looking at whether if it is cut here first will it go


elsewhere? So you do support process against what Royston Smith


is doing? We certainly do. A bit you don't support the strike


action? We don't need to support despite action. We support the


opportunity for people to protest and we have done so. We want to see


a resolution. Why have you been so resistant to resolving this? Six-


times we have met the unions, five times we have made concessions.


Over the last couple of weeks we offered to lift significant amounts


of workers out of the pay cut, the unions have refused to negotiate


and refused event to take that new offer to their members. How do you


negotiate with someone that refuses to sit in a room with year and


refuses to talk. We have tried to do this, we have tried to talk to


them. We have done everything the unions have asked, but they have


refused to drop their preconditions or take any of our Arthur's to


their members. That simply is not negotiating. We are down out a


final test of how many signed up. We expect everyone to sign up. The


unions are even saying to members that they should sign up and come


to work. We do not want anyone to lose their jobs and the point of


this is to keep 400 people in the organisation.


Thank you. We delight in immortalise our public figures in


bronze? When they are brought up on a plinth, they become statesmen.


Westminster is a classic place to get your reputation in stone and


you might be surprised how many At the entrance to the House of


Commons, there is a statue that MPs believe can bring them luck. So


many have touched Churchill's fought as they went to make a


Tricky's speech, it became shiny and had to be repainted. It is a


statue the leader of the house has often admired. The thing about


sculpture is you try to capture the mood you are trying to portray.


Churchill had many moods, but for this one by the arch that was


damaged in the bombing are standing on the rubble of wartime London, it


is a defiant look with leadership and resolution. Sir George Young


has good reason to appreciate the work of the Yugoslavian sculptor.


He married his daughter. Lady Young has spent many years uncovering the


secrets of her father's work. have all been through war-torn


London. Lady Churchill said it does not look like rubble enough, she


complained. By that time, the sculpture was cast in bronze and


you cannot add bronze two bronze. So what my father did, he added


some fibre glass, a big piece of fibre glass. So this rubble here is


made out of fibre glass. All the rest is nettle. Oscar came to


Britain from humble beginnings in Croatia. He studied in Paris and


Brussels before his big breakthrough, the chance to


immortalise the psychoanalyst Freud in bronze. The connection he made


with his subject, the way his insights into the characters of


powerful people came out through his work, it is something that


fascinated Lady Young. When you are having a sitting and you are with


somebody you do get to know them. In all of my father's work, you


will totally know how their head was tilted, that is exactly how


they were. He just got them somehow. Daring back through her father's


notes, many of the subtext identities are missing. This is an


unknown woman, I do not know who she is. Tracking down the woman who


have far the sculpted has become a detective story in itself. He lived


near Oxford, 20 years after she grew up here, Lady Young went back


with me to re open the cellar under the house where the original moulds


are stalled. That is bigger than a real hand.


That must be from the Guild Hall Churchill. The statue in the


Guildhall, his hands are like this. They are heads of state, literally.


Stacked from ceiling to floor. Each sculpture is the product of months


of collaboration to capture the appearance and personality of the


sitters. Here is somebody who I do not know it, here in sheep? I do


not know, I would love to find out. Are you out there, Lady? Churchill


recognised Oscar's ability. greatly admire the art. His prowess


in the ancient realm of sculpture has won such a remarkable


appreciation in our country. He recalled how Churchill tried to


sculpt him in return. One day he decided that he will do


my sculpture in order that I could see his in exchange. So he actually


did a bit of work? Yes, the any sculpture he ever did was my head.


He was very interested in politics and he loved people who could


debate and argue and he was quite, he had very firm views and, as all


his family had been killed in the war, he was very keen we should


keep democracy. He tried and failed to save his Jewish relatives from


the Nazi concentration camps, but in Brighton, his many sculptures


are evidence of how his discretion and deep insight into human


behaviour gained him a unique place in our political history.


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