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In the self: As protest cannot get close down, we have been to the one


that is actually welcomed by the local authorities.


And could the Isle of Wight really become the most environmentally


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Hello, welcome to the part of the show especially for us in the south.


And today's show: Plans to turn the Isle of Wight green.


They don't just want to be energy- efficient, they want to be


exporting energy in 10 years' time. We also find out why one of our


committee of MPs thinks our councils are getting too much money


from the government. And we will be hearing from the one


that protest camp where the council is actually welcoming. I think they


have caught the public mood and they are not doing any harm. More


on that in a few minutes. This week, Parliament's green


watchdog, the environmental audit committee, claimed the UK is


failing to meet air pollution targets over the majority of the


country and that current levels are shortening life expectancy for


hundreds of thousands of people. But rather than pushing to cut


pollution on British roads, the government is trying to water down


the rules and avoid EU fines. Joining us now from a Brussels


studio is the Green Party MEP Keith Taylor. What is most worrying, do


you think, nitrogen dioxide, or the particulars? Where you are stuck


between a devil and a hard place. We have a basket of toxic


substances which all affect respiratory disease and increase it.


Over the last 10 years we have seen an increase of of 400,000 people


who have contracted asthma. This is together with chronic obstructive


pulmonary disease. This is bad news. The government is standing by, but


really they have known about these European targets the 10 years and


have chosen to attach little importance to them. They are


putting more effective, as the environmental audit committee says,


into trying to water down at the regulations. What I want to see his


money being spent on improving the air quality. But what exactly is


the problem? Some people say it is particular its from diesel cars,


because we have all switched to diesel, in some cases because we're


trying to be green and more efficient. And is it actually


everywhere, is it a global problem? Well, some pollution comes across


the Channel, but the point is it is worse in cities because seven --


70% of the air pollution is emitted by transport, traffic. So it is


worse in cities. So we need to improve the traffic management and


the type of fuel we use and we need to actually put in, as the


environmental audit committee suggested, Low emission zones. That


is something the government can do. Should we be sorting out diesel?


That is something a lot of environmental campaigners thought


was a good thing. Well, as you say, the taxation was encouraging car


owners to buy diesel cars. What we need to do actually is to get away


from oil products altogether. So if we can use hybrids, or electric


cars, that is going to be part of the solution. There are too many


cars making too many journeys. Everybody can do something to


reduce their damage. The Green Party has campaigned so much


against vehicle traffic, but that will harm the economy, and at the


moment that is a real problem, isn't it? We aren't campaigning


against vehicle traffic. We would love to see the need for travel at


reduced. We need to have sustainable, affordable, efficient


and less damaging forms of transport. Cities are the best


place to start achieving that. Keith Taylor, thank you for joining


It has not been a good week for the various Occupy protest camps around


the world. New York and other American cities started to remove


theirs, and that son Paul's and London authorities have restarted


their eviction plans. But there is still one camp going which is not


tolerated -- is not just tolerated by the local council, it is


welcomed. The authorities in New York launched an aggressive


eviction against Occupy Wall Street. Police also broke up camps in


Portland, Oregon, and California. In sympathy with protesters at St


Paul's in London, the occupy movement in Bournemouth to go over


the town hall for a fortnight, but have now been peaceably evicted,


although they continue to debate on Yet, as are the camps of falling


foul of local authorities, the occupation in Brighton is


positively flourishing, with the support of the local community and


even the City Council. They have been supportive, they have come


here with fruit, they honk when they see the camp. The Green


council have obviously been very supportive. We're lucky to have


Caroline Lucas here, she has been a rock. Sussex police have been very


helpful as well. We have good relations with them. I think it has


been very successful. It is helping to raise people's awareness of what


is going on. The occupiers have gone to great lengths to keep the


camp clean and tidy and to engage with the authorities. It has been


very good. The council offices and the police visit the camp regularly,


talk to the campus. When they have had requests from the Council for


the campus to do things differently, corporation has been very good.


movement has regular discussions, debates, General assemblies. But


can that ever be more than just a talking shop? What are they trying


to achieve? Fairness. The present so sheer economic system is unfair.


--socio-economic. My hope is that the corporation's, the banks, take


some responsibility and be more fair and ethical. I think it is


very important to raise awareness because perhaps a few people cannot


make a difference, but if a lot of people are informed and made aware


of the way in which we can resist this injustice, I think change can


happen. The camp is not without its critics. Hove Conservative MP Mike


Weatherley says camping in public spaces as a form of protest is


completely unacceptable. So why is the Brighton camp been tolerated by


authorities? I think they have caught the public made and they are


not really doing any meat. It is not up to us as to judge their


message, it is up dyes to make sure we preserve public safety, and we


do so in a way that spends public money wisely. At the moment, we


have no intention to affect them. - - to evict them. This movement may


have a vague objective, but they do want to see a fairer society for


everyone. We want people to come -- to become aware of how their


actions affect everyone, people in Europe, Africa, South America.


can't just complain about something, you have to have a sensible


suggestion of how to cope with it and how to move on. That is what


this camp is about. History has proven one thing - we evolve. Our


perception of what is fair evolves, civil rights evolve, and this is


one of those times. It is time everybody to get real about the


problems we face. That is what Occupy is about to me. If Occupy


can work anywhere, it is here. very interesting place, as ever.


Parliamentary committees have been very busy this week, perhaps making


up for the fact MPs have been on recess for half the week. One


making its mark is the Public Accounts Committee, which this week


released a report into the funding formula used to pass money from


central to local government. They reckon some councils are getting


double what they need, whilst others fall short. And they named


names - they reckoned that Wokingham gets more than its fair


share whilst Dorset is seriously missing out. So I'm joined now from


Reading by the leader of the Woking Borough Council David Lee, and he


with me in the studio is the leader of Dorset County Council, Angus


Campbell. David Lee - twice as much as you need, it is suggested!


yes, I find that quite interesting. We all were already the worst


funded authority in the country. And now they think we will get


twice as much as we should. Margaret Hodge thinks we should be


getting about �57 per person, which is ridiculous, I think. It is all


assessed on the need, isn't it? A you think -- suggesting this


formula should be thrown away, or is in fact it about the stability


side of things which is playing in your favour? It is important we


have a level playing field and end areas of deprivation, it is


important to give them more funding. We're not complaining about that.


But I cannot see how it could possibly cost 18 times more to look


after someone -- someone with dementia in London. The London per


head funding is in the region of �1,045, so I cannot see how we


could be pushed down to that level and to provide the services we have


to. But you are not being pushed down, actually, you are being


artificially supported. Do you agree this support is something


which is wrong? I think the level we get, we would of course like to


get more, but we're quite happy to pay our bit towards helping the


economy, we have had a 10% reduction and we will have a


further 10% reduction next year. But we cannot lose a further �9


million because that would definitely start affecting the


services. I think they have to look at the formula and not the actual


quantities coming up. We know we are in affluent area but we are not


so after when we can afford to be down to that level. Angus Campbell,


you have been arguing for more in Dorset for a long time. We now know


where it is going! You are trying to get as against each other! What


I would agree with is that the formula is fairly useless. It is


totally opaque. If you ask any minister how it works, and you


cannot find anybody who understands. It has certainly disadvantaged


Dorset for many years. Up till recently, we were the worst funded


per head. I suppose everybody has that statistic which will prove


their case. Yes, he was saying he was poorly funded! But the system


is entirely wrong and it does not take account of the circumstances.


What is happening to others is that a levelling system is in place. At


the moment, we lose �7 million on average per year above what we are


supposed to get. We could very well do with that money. Is that what is


benefiting them in working in? -- in Wokingham? I think they thought


counties getting the benefit and take it away earlier on. But it is


not fair. You cannot take �7 million art of a hard-pressed


budget. And this is based on the 2001 currently, they are looking at


this. -- This is based on the 2001 census. Yes, and there is a great


danger we will end up in exactly the same place as we were in, with


a system that starts charging gainers. We have to make a break


and have a realistic way of funding organisations for need and not


stability. We were never going to get perfect knowledge about all


these things. We have to work to some assumptions, don't we, David


Lee? Had been did is only right we work to some assumptions. But -- I


think it is only right. But we do well because we actually have a lot


of area intervention to help problem families, for example. I


think they have to go back, because it is not right to reward failure


and to penalise success. We have been very successful in a lot of


the things we do. Are secondary pupil funding is down at the very


lowest level, our Primary Care Trust funding is the second lowest


in the country, because we actually have prevented its systems in place


for our elderly and extra care. I think we will need to look


carefully at the formula. We're more than happy to pay our share.


Good to hear from both the view. And hopefully we understand a bit


more about it. We although the coalition is


claiming to be the greenest government ever, but how about an


ambition to be the greenest island ever? That is exactly what a scheme


launched on the Isle of Wight - called Ecoisland - is hoping to


achieve. The idea is to combine various


renewable sources of energy and distribute them as efficiently as


possible. There are some ambitious targets. The island wants to be a


net exporter of energy by 2020, it wants to reduce bills for residents


by 50%, to create jobs for investments in green technology,


and to cut landfill-0. There is already some so energy in place,


but no wind turbines, no tidal energy, yet. This week, organisers


travelled to London for a launch at the House of Commons, where Cabinet


officer minister on the Met win was pushing it as an example of big


society. -- office minister Oliver Letwin. We have to act in the end,


and this is in a sample of people getting together to try to do it.


But you exactly should be organising things? One man who has


taken action is David Green. You originally tried to do this with


the Isle of Wight council and did not get very far. I think the


difficulty is in the current round of spending cuts there is not


really the resources or money to drive a scheme of this scale. So it


has come up from the community and into this form. There are 70


partners you really have the opportunity to take this forward


into the brave new world we envisage. Do you feel stronger


without having to deal with the council and doing it yourself?


is difficult. If you look into this localism bill, you will see there


are ingredients that for communities like as to be slightly


more self determining, so we do have planning opportunities within


that, services that can obviously be challenged. But the most


important thing is the will of the people. If the community really


wants something, we are in a position to request that, using a


mixture of local and outside business interest. I don't want to


be rude to the Isle of Wight, but there independent spirit means it's


like herding cats, doesn't it? are looking for a model which will


then be applied to the rest of the UK. Part of the government's


challenges to find this green for a print, this model of the green


agenda, that can then be replicated elsewhere. So in some ways, we are


not looking for independence, but self-sufficiency. That is a very


different thing. And you think people are taking this a more than


they did when it was the council's idea? Well, we put out a charter


setting out our idea of the future. We did not have a single the centre.


So at that point, 100% of the responses we got was a -- were that


it was a great idea. Yes, everybody thinks the idea is great until they


have to pay for it. Is it going to cost a lot? I think the interesting


thing is the whole thing has been done without a single penny of bank


debt, a single dance -- donation or any government money. And there is


no intention whatsoever of leaving any of that cash out of the pockets


of the people of the Isle of Wight. In fact, we want to put money


backing. We have got people who are now looking at reducing the energy


bills for the people of the island as a result of the energy we are


able to sell back to the grid. you reckon you will be a net


exporter of energy! We will have you back to make sure those targets


are reached! Thank you for coming in. That is all from us for now. If


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